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No Surprises
2008-05-24 21:36
by Cliff Corcoran

Carlos Silva entered yesterday's game with a 9.62 career ERA against the Yankees. After two innings, he and the Mariners were trailing 4-0, thanks in large part to a three-run home run Silva gave up to Jason Giambi. Mike Mussina gave those four runs back in the top of the third on a three-run Jose Vidro homer and a solo Adrian Beltre shot, but Silva held up his end of the bargain by giving the Yanks an extra run in the bottom of the frame and coughing up a two-run Bobby Abreu home in the sixth to give the Yanks a 7-4 lead.

Arthur Rhodes came on in relief of Silva in the bottom of the seventh with a 7.13 career ERA against the Yankees. He left three batters later having surrendered a run without getting an out. Brandon Morrow relieved Rhodes with a 15.00 career ERA against the Yankees and let in three more runs. Ryan Rowland-Smith relieved Morrow with a 19.29 career ERA against the Yankees and allowed one last Bomber tally before getting the final out.

Joba Chamberlain took over for Mussina in the sixth inning. He made a nice leaping stab of a bounding comebacker for the first out of the sixth and then struck out the next two batters. In the seventh, he gave up a lead-off single to Yuniesky Betancourt and walked Jose Vidro on five pitches with two outs, but stranded both men. He was effective, but inefficient, using up 40 of his allotted 45 pitches in those two frames, only 55 percent of which were strikes. Given the length of the bottom of the seventh, and the fact that Chamberlain was only five pitches under his target, the Yankees opted to end his day there.

Kyle Farnsworth entered the eighth inning having allowed 2.57 home runs per nine innings. With one out, Jeremy Reed won a 13-pitch battle against Farnsworth with a single. Three pitches later, Richie Sexson homered to the retired numbers. That set the final score at 12-6 Yankees.

Jose Veras pitched a 1-2-3 ninth, but it wasn't without incident. With two outs and the count 1-1 on Beltre, Veras poured in a strike and home plate umpire Larry Vanover gave his strikeout call, prompting Jose Molina to pop out from behind the plate to shake Veras's hand and the stadium P.A. to start blasting out "New York, New York." Thing is, the count was only 1-2. Beltre pointed this out to Vanover, the song was cutoff, all of the players were sent back to their positions, and the at-bat continued for five more pitches before Beltre grounded out to officially end the game. Curiously, two of those pitches were right at Beltre's head, but Beltre laughed both off (in the YES booth David Cone described them as curves that didn't curve). Still, it seemed suspicious to me, and it was even stranger when Beltre, apparently because he was looking the other way, ran right into Veras on his way back to the dugout. Still, none of it appeared to mean anything. That was just about the only surprising thing about Saturday's game.

The Yankees have scored 25 runs in the first two games of this series, have averaged 8.8 runs per game in their five games against the Mariners this year, and in going for the sweep this afternoon will face a pitcher with a 6.99 ERA on the season and a 12.23 ERA over his last four starts in Jarrod Washburn. Washburn, however, has a 2.52 career ERA against the Yankees. Here's hoping Chien-Ming Wang's calf is okay and that he can rebound from allowing seven runs to the Mets in his last outing. If the Yanks sweep, it'll be just their second three-game sweep of the season, both of them having come against the Mariners.

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2008-05-25 04:08:35
1.   RIYank
Picking up from Zack's last comment in the last thread: how about that Justin Duchscherer? What would it take to land him in the Bronx? (Besides an A's/Yankees series, I mean!)
2008-05-25 06:25:47
2.   Cliff Corcoran
I don't see why one of the most pitching-rich organizations in baseball should trade for a 31-year-old converted reliever with an injury history.
2008-05-25 07:00:54
3.   RIYank
2 Well, because he's very young for a 31-year old (he's a year younger than most of them, since he's 30 years old), and he's really, really good. His ERA+ as a starter is 178, and besides the injury year his WHIP has been around 1.
2008-05-25 07:40:06
4.   Zack
1 2 Cliff, don't you remember Mr. Torre's "never enough starting pitching line?" Not that I think the Yanks should trade for him as Billy Beane would expect a package well beyond his value as always...

But, in a similar vein, is there any way to force the Sox to always play on the road? Talk about an offense built specifically for their home park!

2008-05-25 07:44:03
5.   Zack
On another note, Washburn has to be one of, if not my least favorite of those crappy starting pitchers who dominate the Yankees. I never liked the guy to begin with, and that he's generally sucked yet been great against the Yanks of course makes it worse.

Is there a way to figure out who has done the best against the Yankees over the last say ten years?

2008-05-25 09:12:58
6.   Jeb
4 To get Justin Duchscherer (or any player on the A's), Beane would require IPK + Hughes + Ajax + Tabata + Wang. Ok, maybe not that much, but the guy isn't reasonable to deal with.

I'd prefer the Yanks make a play for Freddy Garcia, Millwood, Gil Meche, Bronson Arroyo or someone who won't destroy the bank. I also wonder if it's too early (it probably is) to make a big deal for Jake Peavey and his fat contract. I could see offering IPK, Horne, Ajax and Tabata for him.

What the Yanks ought to do though is just be patient and go get Yu Darvish and CC Sabathia next season to go with Wang and the kids.

2008-05-25 09:18:53
7.   ny2ca2dc
6 If it wouldn't cost Ajax, I would go for Peavey. I'd probably give up Hughes & Kennedy, though not much beyond them (maybe not Melky). CC + Peavey + Wang + Joba is, uh, pretty good... Peavey depends on what his medical records show, of course, but I'd bust the bank for him if the Pads would take from our strength (pitching).
2008-05-25 09:23:45
8.   Jeb
5 There's a number of guys that just pop in my head like John Lackey, Bedard (until this season). All time, I keep thinking for the following 3 players:

1. Frank Lary (the Yankee killer) (26-12, 3.44 ERA))
2. Frank Tanana (20-19, 3.70 ERA
3. Chuck Finley (17-10, 3.82 ERA)

NOTE: I typed in the above-names from memory, and THEN went and looked them up on baseball reference.

Other than Frank Lary's record and ERA (particularly considering the Yankee teams he was pitching against in the 50's) I'm not all that impressed with Tanana's and Finley's numbers. They're good but I honestly was expecting ERA's in the low 2's.

2008-05-25 09:28:29
9.   Jeb
5 I made the price that high so that no one would write, "You don't honestly think the Padres would trade Peavey for only [insert name of crappy Yankees here]." I really don't think it would take all those players, but don't really know what it might take.

Since the Padres are in the toilet, the might consider moving him for the right price, but he's only make $6.5 million in 2008 which is stupidly low. (NOTE: I don't know what he's making in the rest of the deal).

Why didn't that dumbass wait for free agency and get paid $20 million per season? What an idiot.

2008-05-25 09:32:58
10.   OldYanksFan
I don't think I'd ever trade Billy Beane for a pitcher. He seems magically to be able to get all a pitcher has, then trade him when he still looks tasty but is about to shit the bed. Remember how good his Big 3 were for Oakland? How have then done since?

6 Are you kidding? It seems to me between our pitching rich farm, the POTENTIAL of the 'Trip Aces', and all kinds of money for FAs, that pitching is not our problem over then next 5 years. Positional players at 1B, the OF and C are what we need. Maybe even a good young SS. AJax, Montero and Tabata seems to be the most likely kids to be impact players. I can't see trading any of them except for a young positional player.

2008-05-25 09:33:01
11.   Jeb
8 Bedard is 4-5 with a 4.32 ERA against the Yankees

Lackey is 4-7 with a 4.81 ERA against the Yankees

Memory is never as good as actual numbers.

2008-05-25 09:38:37
12.   Jeb
10 No I'm not kidding you. A stud starter like Jake Peavey is worth it. Pitching is always the reason why we've been put out of the playoffs since 2004. Go look up our ERA+ from 2004-2007 and then compare to 1996-2003.

Then go look up our runs scored from 2004-2007 and compare it to 1996-2003

What you're going to discover is that our ERA+ was awesome from 1996-2003 and it was below 100 from 2004-2007. You'll also find we've scored more runs per season from 2004-2007 than we did from 1996-2003.

Notwithstanding this season's hitting problems in a somewhat small sample size, pitching has been and will be our real problem.

We've got 3 years of Jorge left and have some catchers in the system now who might be about ready to hit the Bronx in a few years. We do need a first basemen, but can sign Texeira next season.

AND we don't have Trip Aces, my friend. There's no way that Hughes, IPK AND Joba will all make it. Someone will get hurt and someone just won't pan out.

2008-05-25 09:45:50
13.   mehmattski
5 Here is a list of games pitched against the Yankees from 2000-2008, sorted by GameScore. The top 200 are game scores above 65:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/mdnp

Here's a list of multiple (3 or greater) appearances on the list:

Kevin Appier- 3
Eric Bedard- 3
Frank Castillo- 3
Kelvim Escobar- 3
Freddy Garcia- 3
Roy Halladay- 6
Tim Hudson- 4
Jason Johnson- 3
Scott Kazmir- 3
Cory Lidle- 4
Rodrigo Lopez- 4
Pedro Martinez- 13
Jamie Moyer- 3
Mark Mulder- 3
Ramon Ortiz- 4
Curt Schilling- 5
Tim Wakefield- 3
David Wells- 5

Washburn has never had a GameScore above 65 against the Yankees since 2000. Lackey has done it twice.

2008-05-25 09:51:30
14.   mehmattski
13 My mistake- Washburn has two such games against the Yankees: 5/11/07 and 8/1/02

It should be noted that the #2 GameScore against the Yankees since 2000 was handed in by David Bush...

2008-05-25 10:01:35
15.   mehmattski
10 Tim Hudson, since his trade to Atlanta:

109 Starts, 704 IP, 50-34, 3.84 ERA, 430K/212BB, 112 ERA+

If you take out his sub-par 2006, his stats are pretty great:

2005: 120 ERA+
2006: 91
2007: 128
2008: 135

He would have been the Yankees' best starter every year except 2006...

2008-05-25 10:11:38
16.   Chien Music
ARRGGHH! I hate MLB blackout rules. Living in Oregon, I only get to see the Yanks when they are on cable or Fox. Even though Eugene is 300 miles from Seattle and the game is in New York, the game today on TBS is blacked out. I was all set to sit down and watch a gem from Wang,but I'll have to settle for listening to Sterling and Waldmen.
2008-05-25 10:18:46
17.   yankee23
16 Me too! And I live 600 miles away in Montana. And Fox Sports NW is showing... Fishing! MLB blackout rules, gotta love em!
2008-05-25 10:19:15
18.   mehmattski
3 outs. 3 worms killed.
2008-05-25 10:26:17
19.   OldYanksFan
12 Except in the Dynasty years, we also had a great BP, good to above average D, and well above average offense. There have been many teams with great pitching that didn't have the O to make to PS. Toronto? Minn? Oakland?

Pitching is prime to winning it all, but it takes a balanced team. We have $$$ for FA pitchers. CC is ours if we want him. There will be others over the next 2-3 years. Out of the Trip Aces, we should hope to get a #2 and a #4. We got Wang, Horne, Melancon and many other good prospects.

Except ARod, all of our older position players are in decline. We might have another year or 2 of excellent O, we might not. By 2010, Giambi, Abreu, Matsui and JD are gone. Jeter could be a .700 OPS guy by then. Posada could be a .750 OPS guy.

Considering SP, RP, O and D, I'd like a B average. Last year we were C,C, A+ and C-. I think with one FA SP, we have a B rotation and BP with what we have. In 2010, I'm not sure about our O and D.

2008-05-25 10:30:39
20.   mehmattski
Anyone who pines for Richie Sexon instead of Jason Giambi is kidding himself. At least Giambi takes a walk. Sexon's OBP is .271... no amount of defensive prowess can make up for that.
2008-05-25 10:31:10
21.   OldYanksFan
John Lester (of the Red Sox) said his father John was diagnosed with lymphoma last month and that the cancer is "slow growing, ... something [his father] will die with, not die from."

Jeez... poor kid. He's got a lot to deal with.

2008-05-25 10:32:00
22.   Jeb
Richie Sexton = Sandy Duncan with facial hair and money.
2008-05-25 10:37:58
23.   mehmattski
6 outs, 5 dead worms, 1 K
2008-05-25 10:38:20
24.   Jeb
Wanger is WILD today. Ohlendorf might get some innings today.

19 no offense, but many of your points aren't really backed up factually. We won those titles with pitching more than defense and those teams had their share of older players in decline (raines, straw, boggs, fielder, the 2000-01 versions of tino, brosius and O'Neill) but the starting pitching was great.

2008-05-25 10:42:53
25.   Jeb
Steal Alex! Steal.
2008-05-25 10:44:27
26.   Jeb
Where's William? I would like to point out that we're taking walks.
2008-05-25 10:45:45
27.   mehmattski
24 Not Koufax and Drysdale would have this Yankees team in first place, because it's the offense that's been terrible. I think you guys are talking past each other. OYF is referring to building for the future with this particular team. In general, preparing for the future in pitching requires stockpiling many prospects and expecting some of them to make it. The Yankees have done that beautifully in the last four drafts/international signing seasons.

This particular team, meanwhile, has a bunch of aging hitters. Much of the reason for this has been the ill-advised signing of FA hitters at or past their primes. The Yankees would be wise to spend the bulk of their money having the best minor league organization in baseball.

2008-05-25 10:46:39
28.   Jeb
Meacham might want to put on a suit of armour
2008-05-25 10:49:40
29.   rbj
Damn. I hate wasted lead off walks.
2008-05-25 10:52:40
30.   mehmattski
Yuck.
2008-05-25 10:53:13
31.   Zack
Like I said, I hate Washburn...

13 UUUGGGHH, Frank Fing Castillo. God I used to hate how he would totally shut down the Yankees despite throwing such junk.

For all the good pitchers on that list, there are a lot of really mediocre guys...

What exactly does a game score of 65 mean though? Besides being good...

2008-05-25 10:54:09
32.   Jeb
27 hitters are easier to replace than pitchers. We can find a cano to replace a Soriano, we can find a melky or a Damon or a Gardner or an ajax to replace a Bernie, we can find an abreu for a Sheffield.

I'm not that worried about our aging hitters. We can replace them through trades or free agency or from within. Pitching is at a much much higher premium.

Next year giambi and abreu come off the book, and Damon comes in two years. To a large degree the "aging player" problem will take care of itself. Find jeter a new position and DH matsui and we're fine.
Just about every Yankee WS winner had some past their prime veteran hitters and we'll be no different.
Bottom line, compare the ERA+ and runs scored for the teams from 1996-2003 and 2004-2007 and you'll see the difference.

And this team will score runs.

2008-05-25 10:54:18
33.   Zack
Oh God, now Kay goes into the "Wade Boggs and Ichiro could hit home runs if they wanted to, but choose to focus on singles instead" argument. You know, Ichiro would probably help his team a lot more this year if he was hitting home runs...
2008-05-25 10:57:04
34.   SF Yanks
How many grounders is that for Wanger now? Anyone keeping track?
2008-05-25 10:58:27
35.   Jeb
33 chip carey made the same argument of TBS. He couldve included his playoff broadcast partner (gwynn) in that argument too, but tony's still down at the buffet.
2008-05-25 10:59:24
36.   Jeb
34 one too few unfortunately.
2008-05-25 11:01:04
37.   mehmattski
31 Well, it was the cutoff of pitchers on the first page, which was all I had motivation to estimate :-)

Game Score: Start with 50 points. Add 1 point for each out recorded, (or 3 points per inning). Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th. Add 1 point for each strikeout. Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed. Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed. Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed. Subtract 1 point for each walk.

Interestingly, there have already been over 200 game scores above 65 in the major leagues this season. But in 7.25 years, less than 200 have occurred against the Yankees.

2008-05-25 11:01:54
38.   mehmattski
34 Seven ground outs, one line out, and one strikeout.
2008-05-25 11:04:53
39.   Jeb
The captain!
2008-05-25 11:05:21
40.   mehmattski
37 Expanding on that, a game score of 65 requires at least 6 shutout innings, or 7 IP/1 ER, or 8 IP/2 ER. Every starter who got a score of 65 against the Yankees also picked up a win. In fact, only 17 of the 198 games resulted in a loss for the starter.
2008-05-25 11:11:22
41.   Jeb
Too many walks for Wanger today. How 'bout a double play?
2008-05-25 11:12:19
42.   Jeb
Triple play?
2008-05-25 11:13:16
43.   Jeb
Don't walk this turd!
2008-05-25 11:20:12
44.   Yankees Brasil
Thought he was out.
2008-05-25 11:21:02
45.   SF Yanks
44 Me three.
2008-05-25 11:21:41
46.   mehmattski
Betancourt is swinging at some pretty bad pitches.
2008-05-25 11:22:09
47.   seattleyank
Wang can't locate today.
2008-05-25 11:23:00
48.   mehmattski
A single on the only pitch of the at bat that was in the strike zone.
2008-05-25 11:23:46
49.   Yankees Brasil
It's good that when the offense appears, Wang disappears.
2008-05-25 11:24:47
50.   Yankees Brasil
That's a bad plan by Wang, he should have thrown sliders on the dirt all AB long to Betancourt.
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2008-05-25 11:25:04
51.   mehmattski
Baseball cliche #482: He let the ball play him.
2008-05-25 11:25:15
52.   Jeb
DFA sandy Duncan. Please.
2008-05-25 11:25:22
53.   Jeb
DFA sandy Duncan. Please.
2008-05-25 11:26:00
54.   Yankees Brasil
And now we have Ohlendorf warming up. Joe Girardi obviously has no clue.

Where's Giambi?!

2008-05-25 11:26:14
55.   mehmattski
A textbook 3-2-6 double play!
2008-05-25 11:27:31
56.   Zack
53 Um, do you mean Shelley? Why DFA him, you think there is anyone better?
2008-05-25 11:29:17
57.   Zack
Again, if the offense can't score more than 3 runs of Washburn, its not likely they are going to win, period...
2008-05-25 11:30:40
58.   Jeb
56 I loathe him and his below .200 batting average. Try someone else at first. Miranda, lane, eric Duncan, me, you, anyone.
2008-05-25 11:31:37
59.   Zack
God I hate Washburn
2008-05-25 11:32:02
60.   Zack
58 Um, have you actually looked at those three guys' minor league #s?
2008-05-25 11:32:50
61.   Jeb
Way to break up that fucking rally, sandy Duncan (note for zack: Sandy Duncan is a 1970ish actress who played peter pan and starred in wheat thin commericals. She never grounded into a DP though).
2008-05-25 11:33:50
62.   OldYanksFan
24 Actually, if you check out Baseball Reference, you will see my point.

In 1996, we had an OPS+ of 100 and an ERA+ of 108 (Don't know how we won).
In 1998-2000, our OPS+ and ERA+ were within a few points of each other, with the OPS+ being higher then our ERA+ 2 of the 3 years.

With Scotty, Tino, Knobby, and young Bernie and young Jeter, our D was much better then our teams of late (Giambi, Matsui, Sheff, GOB)

Then there are many years where teams like Minn and Oakland didn't win with far better ERA+'s then the Yankees 1998-2000. However, they did not have the offense.

Furthermore, as you pointed out, by 2010, Mats, JD, Abreu and Giambi are gone, and Jeter and Posada are 2 years older. You ASSUME we can easily get impact position players. But teams are now locking up their young talent. JD Drew, Soriano, Tex and many others are/will get long and expensive contracts (sort of like Giambi's).

The Yankees built a dynasty by KEEPING Bernie, Jeter, Posada, Sori and Mo when they were young, and NOT trading them for the Big Name, and then augmenting the team with selected FAs.. Now you want to trade 2 of our best position youngsters for a big name?

As the Mets will prove with Santana, one stud pitcher is not enough. It is about a balanced team. Looking at our farm, we are pitching heavy. Over the next 2 years we are losing offense but gaining pitching.

And again, we will have a HUGE amount of money for FA's. Why do TRADES (like Santana) where we also have to lose young talent when we can get FAs (like CC) for money only?

2008-05-25 11:34:02
63.   Zack
61 Its a dumb nickname...
2008-05-25 11:34:30
64.   mehmattski
It looks as though Washburn might join my list in 13 ....
2008-05-25 11:35:38