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I Put a Spell on You
2007-12-10 06:27
by Alex Belth

I could hear the groans across the tri-state and beyond when I read this.

Comments (85)
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2007-12-10 06:35:54
1.   JoeInRI
A few groans in New England too.
2007-12-10 06:47:29
2.   Yankee Fan In Boston
at least it is a one year deal, right?

eric gagne just signed a one year deal for $10M.

it could be a lot worse...

...right?

2007-12-10 07:00:31
3.   ms october
1 2 i see all of us in new england are in a yankee state of mind.
it could be a lot worse. the fact that it is one year, and not an outrageous amount of money makes it palatable to me. if he can NOT walk people (which he seems to have decent walk numbers) like half of the other releivers we have it will make me happy. but since he basically never strikes any one out, we might need quite a few LIDRs for him.
2007-12-10 07:18:07
4.   williamnyy23
Why all the groans? As we discussed yesterday, Hawkins is a solid reliever who has developed above average control (something the Yankee bullpen sorely needs).

Also, by signing Hawkins, it shows the Yankees aren't willing to commit to a long-term deal for questionable middle relievers, which is a good thing. Finally, by swapping Viz out for Hawkins, the Yankees will also get a supplemental round draft pick.

I think Hawkins for one year + a draft pick isn't such a bad deal...in fact, I think it's a pretty good one.

2007-12-10 07:22:52
5.   Alex Belth
Hawkins strikes me as one of those cats that won't be able to handle the pressure of the big city and the big stage.

Interesting-looking guy though. He's got that looooong neck. Always reminded me a little bit of a horse.

2007-12-10 07:27:38
6.   williamnyy23
5 I don't know. He did pretty well in 5 post season innings this past season. As long as he isn't asked to handle the toughest situations that arise, I think Hawkins can continue his solid career for one season in New York.
2007-12-10 07:30:53
7.   rbj
At the very least, he could do mop up duty.
2007-12-10 07:38:44
8.   Rob Middletown CT
It's a 1 year deal. Hawkins for 1 yr > Vizcaino for 3.

Hell, I'd have been up for signing Gagne too (the stuff was still there), though not necessarily @ $10 mil.

For the record, I don't think Hawkins will be any good either.

2007-12-10 07:46:28
9.   Schteeve
I don't mind the deal, I like the draft pick. Hawkins has a career ERA of more than 4. He has a career WHIP of like 1.5. I don't think he's solid, I think he's sketchy.

And yes, I know I said yesterday that he was awful, and now I'm walking away from that comment, so who knows, by tomorrow I might think he's Mariano Rivera.

2007-12-10 07:49:36
10.   YankeeInMichigan
Wondering what Pettitte accomplished by accepting arbitration. The Yankees had stated that the $16 million offer was still on the table, and Pettitte had stated that he would take it. The new CBA removes the deadline for negotiating with players who decline arbitration. So the only effect of Pettitte's move was that the Yankees had to clear a roster spot immediately.

Speaking of arbitration, Cot's Contracts' "unofficial" arbitration list includes Bruney. Will the Yankees non-tender him to clear another roster spot (for A-Rod or Mo)?

2007-12-10 08:05:43
11.   cercle
On a one year deal, Hawkins is probably the best of a bunch of bad options. Riske would have been nice, but outside of him and the guys that got closer deals, nobody on the market looked good for a 3 year contract. As abused as Vizcaino was last year, I wouldn't have committed even one year to him.

As mentioned, Hawkins' low walk totals are nice. The 3.06 GB to FB ratio last year is especially appealing, though potentially a fluke as it isn't really in line with his career numbers.

Without checking the splits, it seems to me that the Yankees always beat him up pretty good, which may be coloring the some people's opinions. He's basically always around league average or a little better. And on a one year deal, if he stinks, you cut him.

2007-12-10 08:11:10
12.   Sarasota
..somebody....anybody please keep $Man away from signing pitchers.....at all costs......Hank do something ..please........
2007-12-10 08:19:14
13.   williamnyy23
9 By using his career numbers, you are lumping in his failed stint as a starter, which accounts for half his innings total. Since becoming a reliever in 2000, Hawkins has had several excellent seasons, but only one below average season. I think it is much more relevant to consider what he has done as a reliever, as opposed to lumping in the 500 innings when he was a young starter.
2007-12-10 08:20:06
14.   williamnyy23
10 It cements his return to the Yankees, so if anything, it was a sign of good faith.
2007-12-10 08:27:44
15.   ny2ca2dc
4 etc., I agree. Throw him against the wall, see if he sticks. For all the young arms with potential, none of them are really worth writing home about (except the injury cadre, who are - of course - injured...). For all the rosy scenarios of these guys turning into a semi decent 'pen, they could also turn into the Rays' pen. The 5ish guys who make the BP throwing up 5-6 ERAs is not inconceivable, so I like this signing.
2007-12-10 08:47:59
16.   mehmattski
13 Okay then how about the last two seasons:

115.6 IP
486 Batters Faced
56 Strikeouts
125 Hits

Last year, lefties slugged .443 off him. The year before: .505

Last year he had an unheard of (outside of CMW) G/F ratio of 3.05. If that remains true, we're going to be hearing a lot of Pastadiving Jeter a lot- check out his Fielding Independent Pitching, which the last two years has been half a run above his ERA.

The WHIP of 1.5 that Sctheeve cited is about right for two of the last three seasons. Sure he doesn't walk many but gives up a TON of hits. I'm envisioning a lot of runners inherited on second base scoring on a groundball through the middle.

I'd rather have Andy Hawkins.

2007-12-10 08:49:04
17.   markp
He's not horrible, and will probably be a lot better than Bruney et al have been for the past couple years.

He has had some excellent years in the BP, and if Girardi is as good at building a pen as I think he will be, Hawkins can be a big asset.

2007-12-10 08:54:04
18.   Alex Belth
You are right, one year of Hawkins is better than overspending for three years of Viz. Plus, you've got to hope the Yanks can find some good bullpen arms in their system, no?
2007-12-10 08:57:53
19.   pistolpete
18 Right. This smells 100% of a contingency plan. I truly believe the main objective is to work the kids from the minors into the pen as the year goes along, but you can't very well have ALL kids out there plus Farnsworth and Mo.

Rivera would set a record for most 2-inning appearances by a closer!

2007-12-10 09:07:26
20.   tqmalachi
Hawkins and Farnsworth together again. Cubs fans are snickering. These are two guys who can't handle pressure and have always been worse than their numbers suggest. Not a bad contract for the Yanks, though, and I think we gotta hope a good reliever emerges from the farm, anyway, so not much has changed in that respect.
2007-12-10 09:09:41
21.   ny2ca2dc
Man, NoMaas is usually way out in left field with the crazy trades, but their post on the Matsui to SF possibility has some great quotes from Sabean. Sabean really seems open to trading Lincicum, or preferably Cain, for some thump in the lineup. I'm really shitting myself over the possibility... But there's no way, no way SF is that dumb. Or are they....

Anyway, how would you all feel about signing Bartolo Colon to a one-year incentive loaded contract (if he would take it). He's not a type-A FA (right?) and could help lighten the innings load on the kids. And he has considerable upside to go with his considerable injury risk. Maybe the opening day/first third of the season's rotation should be Wang, Pettitte, Moose, Colon, Kennedy, to keep the innings down on Sir Phil and Sir Joba. Then Phil & Joba come up to replace Moose & Colon as they suck/get injured, and Moose can spot Kennedy later in the year to keep him fresh. Pretty distasteful to start with a rotation designed for mediocrity, but I really worry about all those innings we'd need from the kids.

2007-12-10 09:17:07
22.   mehmattski
21 I would have been for signing Colon if Pettitte wasn't coming back. Now, not only is there no place in the rotation for him, he's going to be 35 and has been a train wreck since he stole the Cy Young from Santana (and Mo!) in 2005.
2007-12-10 09:34:20
23.   Rob Middletown CT
Right now, the rotation has 6 pitchers ready:

Wang - good for 200 innings
Pettitte - same, though age/injury more of a concern
Mussina - "good" for ~180 innings but those innings might suck
Hughes - good for ~140 innings
Chamberlain - good for ~140 innings
Kennedy - good for ~190 innings

The trouble is finding ways of keeping Hughes & Chamberlain's innings down. If I was in charge, and I could get Moose to agree, I think I'd open the season with this rotation:

Wang
Hughes/Mussina
Pettitte
Kennedy
Chamberlain

I'd have Hughes on a loose* 5 inning/start cap to start the year, and put Moose in for multiple innings in relief. Chamberlain, as 5th starter, would throw less innings because he'd have fewer starts, and one could also implement a first-half innings cap with him, and if the timing worked out right Moose could be the innings eating reliever for him too. In the second half, if all is going well, the innings caps can be relaxed and you can try stretching the kids out a bit more. Depending on how the farm is doing and the needs of the 'pen, it might also make sense to skip a start or two and plug in the 6th/7th guy on the depth chart (Horne? Igawa? Rasner?)...

* - by loose I mean that # pitches and the stress level of said pitches should be important too. If he's at 90 high-effort pitches after 4 innings, pull him and bring in Moose.

But I think Mussina would hate that, and complain. A lot.

2007-12-10 09:36:14
24.   JoeInRI
One year is definitely better than two or more. But I've never been a fan.

22 Agreed.

2007-12-10 09:44:47
25.   RZG
23 And except for a brief nod to Pettitte, you think the rest of the starting rotation will not suffer an injury? Especially how the Yanks don't hesitate to put a starter on the DL when a groin or hammy barks?

No teams have all of their starters make it through a season unscathed, why should the Yanks be the exception?

2007-12-10 10:16:25
26.   mehmattski
25 Yeah I expect Jeff Karstens and Darrel Rasner and Steve Whte (and -cough- Kei Igawa -cough-) to be making spot starts for the Yanks well into the season.
2007-12-10 10:24:59
27.   Rob Middletown CT
25 - Oh, granted. The Yanks will probably need 7-8 starters over the course of the season. I mentioned 6. 7-9 are probably (right now) Rasner, Karstens, Igawa.

If one could sign Colon to a 1-year deal and stash him in AAA as a "break in case of emergency" sort of thing... um, ok. But I don't want to start the year with him in the rotation and quality like Hughes or Joba in the minors.

2007-12-10 10:27:56
28.   standuptriple
I guess this lessens the chance of us seeing Britton. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, you know, because I've never seen him in the bigs.
2007-12-10 10:32:43
29.   ny2ca2dc
28 I've seen him in the bigs a couple times. He's pretty decent. Of course he was still wearing an O's uni.
2007-12-10 10:42:37
30.   YankeeInMichigan
26 I believe that Rasner is out of options. So though he is the best of the three, he can only work out in a full-time swing-man role (as opposed to riding the Scranton shuttle).
2007-12-10 10:47:16
31.   Adrian
1 2 3 Perhaps my favorite part of living in this town is the feeling of camaraderie I get whenever I see another cap-wearing fan. But yeah, not thrilled about Hawkins. On the other hand, if he sucks I feel pretty confident that Girardi's BP management skills will preclude the Torre-era "look, the game's on the line! Professor Farnsworth, I choose you!" decisionmaking process.
2007-12-10 10:55:34
32.   williamnyy23
16 10 more hits than IP doesn't qualify as a ton. In fact, it's actually pretty good. The point about Jeter is valid, but isn't that really a SS issue?

Besides, would you rather have three years of Viz instead of one of Hawkins plus a supplemental drat pick? What would you have preferred? Use all youngsters to fill out the pen (weren't we anxious to have Bruney and Henn take a more prominent role last season? look how that turned out).

2007-12-10 10:56:20
33.   Murray
Alex, what about the groans that resulted from your headline? There may have been some who were reduced to screaming about it.
2007-12-10 11:14:11
34.   yankz
How did this headline make it on to yesnetwork.com?

"Already high, expections for Phil Hughes has reached a new level"

http://tinyurl.com/ystvqq

2007-12-10 11:16:23
35.   williamnyy23
34 OYF isn't going to like it, but the lead of that article is already dubbing Hughes as the guy the Yankees refused to part with for Santana. I think that moniker is going to be around for a while.
2007-12-10 11:42:13
36.   Shaun P
35 As fans, doesn't this put us in the awkward position of rooting for Santana to stink or get hurt? That is not the position I'd prefer to be in.

32 In the abstract, the Hawkins signing is blah to me, but in context, its hard to argue that 3 years of Viz are preferable. And that draft pick is very nice.

Besides, its not like the Yanks haven't cut bait before on a mediocre middle reliever, even if they owed them $3.5M. I'm thinking of Mike Stanton and his $4M salary in 2005, DFA'd late that June.

2007-12-10 11:43:41
37.   mehmattski
32 My point is that with the Yankees' infield (with only Cano as a significantly above-average defender), the Yankees need strikeout pitchers. They were woefully bad in strikeouts last year, and adding Hughes and Joba to the rotation will help. But in the bullpen, a high number of walks was only half the problem. Look at Hawkins numbers the last three years- when his ERA went down it was because he was with Colorado, a team with an above average defense (and his BABIP was the lowest of his career).

When the team has such an average defense, it's a combination of limiting all three fielding-independent results that matters. While Hawkins seems reliable on the HR and BB front, I worry about the lack of strikeouts. I really think they could be better provided by decent strikeout numbers of Britton, Albaladejo, and Ohlendorf.

I agree it's a better deal than signing Viz to three years. But it looks like the Yankees might be making that mistake anyway with a different mediocre reliever- Ron Mahay.

2007-12-10 11:48:09
38.   OldYanksFan
Phil Hughes - The one not traded for Johan Santana
Melky Cabrera - He who holds the jock strap for The one not traded for Johan Santana
Alan horne - He who holds the jock strap for He who holds the jock strap for The one not traded for Johan Santana
$150 million - Hardly worth mentioning

Not a lot of Yankee News this time of year. Maybe someone can review ARods tax returns or check Cynthia's wardrobe for leather goods.

These writers don't bother me a bit. I don't think they bother Phil. I hope Phil is a solid #3 or better this year, and a solid #2 or better for a decade after that.

2007-12-10 11:50:37
39.   yankz
Well, the article is dumb, but I was referring to the making up of words and elementary school-level grammar.
2007-12-10 12:07:01
40.   tommyl
38 Isn't Phil Hughes trying to cure cancer in his spare time?

Or maybe, we need a Phil Hughes facts page (hat tip to Chuck Norris). Like Phil Hughes curveball breaks so hard it can tunnel through the earth to Australia.

2007-12-10 12:12:06
41.   Shaun P
37 Mattpat might kill me for saying this, but I'd be really surprised if there's a heck of a lot of difference between Ron Mahay and Kei Igawa over the next 3 years. I think signing Mahay to anything other than a 1 year deal is a big mistake, unless a trade of Igawa is in the works as well.
2007-12-10 12:15:07
42.   tommyl
The problem with signing FA relievers is that anyone who is close to good is a Type A/B and asking for a multi-year deal. I'm hesistant to give up draft picks and years for someone who is likely to be crappy at least one of those years, if not more.
2007-12-10 12:33:55
43.   ny2ca2dc
41 That, like a lot of the hating on Hawkins, sounds so exaggerated. While it would be great if the mass of humanity that is the Yankee BP options crew could turn into something good, it would seem more likely that Sean Henn will continue to be awful, as will Igawa, and probably Chase Wright. I love the kids as much as anyone, but I think people are overcompensating. With many of our in house options, a 6 ERA is not terribly unlikely, while expecting something in the low/mid 4s is probably reasonable for the Hawkins & Mahays of the world...

There IS a huge difference between historically awful, which a BP of Bruney, Igawa, Henn, Veras, etc may be, and just bad/poor, which has Mahay and Hawkins in it.

I'm high on Melancon (especially) and Humberto & Cox, but they'll probably need another 6mo to heal & maybe another 6mo-1yr after that to get ready. Vet stopgaps on short contracts are the best way to bridge.

2007-12-10 12:40:09
44.   bp1
37 You really think the Yankees are only average on defense? I thought they were very good last year. Andy and CMW rely on their infield quite a bit, and I don't recall too many games where I'd say the defense let them down. They saved those games for Moose (I kid, lol).

Sure, if Giambi is playing first base then all bets are off, but otherwise I think the Yankees have good hands out there. A-Rod and Cano are both excellent at their positions, and Jeter is - well - let's not go there (dead horse alert). I don't believe the Yankees have quite settled their first base situation yet. I think Giambi is gonna be the full time DH (assuming Matsui is traded), which leaves open a spot for a first baseman. If Minky - excellent defense, crappy bat. If not - then who knows.

There is potential there for above average defense. Not best in league, but not bumblers either.

2007-12-10 12:43:30
45.   Bama Yankee
40 The Yankees almost traded for Chuck Norris once, but they didn't want to part with Phil Hughes...
2007-12-10 12:49:08
46.   mehmattski
42 Well, no skin off the Yankees' back if they sign a Type B player, since it's just a supplemental first round pick. The only effect would be in more vague way if the supplemental selections prevent the Yankees from taking who they want in the second round.
2007-12-10 13:08:39
47.   mehmattski
44 I always hesitate to bring up defensive stats because of the flame war threat, but here's the 2007 Zone Rating (as reported by The Hardball Times) for the Yankees' infielders:

Robinson Cano- .883 (13th in the majors)
Derek Jeter- .777 (23rd of 25 SS)
Alex Rodriguez- .662 (17th of 21 3B)

The X factor is Shelley Duncan, who doesn't have a whole lot of numbers to go by. Giambi has not had enough innings to qualify since THT started keeping track, but he's had the follwing seasons:

2004: .818 in 375 innings (would have been #1 in the majors)
2005: .722 in 560 innings (would have been 15th of 17)
2006: .695 in 480 innings (would have been dead last by a huge margin)

So I think it's safe to say that, as measured by THT's Zone Rating, the Yankees have an average to below-average infield defense. As for handling ground-ball pitchers like CMW, consider that the Yankees "Team Defensive Efficiency," literally the number of non-homer batted balls turned into outs- was .696: 14th in the majors. So, overall, the Yankees were pretty average at turning batted balls into outs.

Further, consider that Wang's BABIP last year was .297. That's pretty average as well... perhaps if he had a better defense behind him, he'd have a much lower ERA.

2007-12-10 13:21:57
48.   Shaun P
43 I guess I'm too much of a DIPS/FIPS disciple. To me, judging relievers on their ERA is like judging hitters on their batting average - too much fluctuation year to year based on factors outside of the player's control, and not nearly enough information to make the number worthwhile as an evaluation tool.

So let me revise my statement to read:

"Mattpat might kill me for saying this, but looking just at K-rate, BB/9, and HR/9, I'd be really surprised if there's a heck of a lot of difference between Ron Mahay and Kei Igawa over the next 3 years."

My opposition to signing Mahay is in giving him a 3 year deal, because IMO, the Yanks do not need a lefty reliever so badly as to be paying Ron Mahay when he is 38 in 2010. And, the overwhelming evidence shows that multi-year contracts to middle relievers are a huge waste.

If they sign Mahay to a one-year deal like Hawkins', the Yanks will get no beef from me.

2007-12-10 13:22:53
49.   RZG
I'll live with Hawkins until he's gone but as a Yankee fan all I remember is how happy I was every time he used to come in to face the Yankees.
2007-12-10 13:48:28
50.   wsporter
What's not to like? Viz and T-hawk are a lateral move. We need some experience in the pen. We give up no draft choices to get him. The money and years make sense. We give up a 'B' FA in Viz and get a Supplemental Pick back if/when he signs elsewhere. If T-Hawk is blocking a kid that is destroying hitters at AAA or if he sucks he's movable through trade or waivers. He's not meant to be a high leverage answer and we shouldn't expect him to be. This seems like a no brainer.
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2007-12-10 13:58:58
51.   tommyl
51 It seems like Cashman has taken the lesson of a volatile BP and decided to stockpile as many options as possible without giving any multi-year contracts out or losing draft picks. If that's really the case, I can't say I disagree