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Oh, Hey, and Another Thing, Meat. You Don't Know S***, All Right?

2007-09-01 06:46

by Alex Belth

Just when you think you know something, you get knocked on your ass and realize that you don't no jack. So much for being the favorites. So much for the odds. The Yanks, coming off three big wins against the Red Sox, were served by the lowly Devil Rays on Friday night in the Bronx by the score of 9-1. Fortunately for New York, the Blue Jays also narrowly edged the Mariners, so the Yanks are still leading the wildcard. And up in Boston, the Orioles lousy bullpen somehow prevailed against a hard-charging Red Sox offense. Both the Red Sox and Mariners had the winning runs on base in the ninth, both hit into game-ending double plays.

Our beloved Bronx Bombers mustered just two hits (a double by Derek Jeter, an RBI single by Alex Rodriguez in the fourth inning) as Phillip Hughes delivered another disappointing performance. After the game, Hughes told The New York Times:

"It was a little bit of everything tonight," Hughes said. "I had a lot of bad counts, some bad breaks and gave up some home runs. It's something that I need to fight through. Even when you have a bad start you hope to keep your team in the game. Tonight, I couldn't do that."

Joe Torre told the Daily News:

"He shouldn't be missing the zone like he's been missing, so I think he was either trying to make too good a pitch or he needs to command his fastball a little bit better," Joe Torre said. "It got to the point where he was getting behind in the count and he had to throw predictable pitches in predictable counts. That's the pitcher's dread, when you're out there and you really lose the ability to do what you want."

After the game, Rays stater, Andy Sonnanstine--who pitched a wonderful game--told the Tampa Bay Trib:

Honestly, that's probably the best start of my life," said Sonnanstine, whose parents were in town from Ohio to watch him pitch. "It's something I'll never forget."

The other story for the Yanks last night was that MLB has suspended Joba Chamberlain for two games. The suspension began last night, so Joba should be back for Sunday, if needed.

Okay, erase this one from the memory bank. Today is a new day, with new things to be excited about, like the major league debut of Ian Kennedy.

According to Cliff:

Ian Kennedy's been called "Mini Moose" due to his similarity in build and pitching style to Mike Mussina. Turns out, it's more than that. Kennedy was drafted #21 overall last year out of USC and is making his debut today at the age of 22. Mike Mussina was drafted #20 overall in 1990 out of Stanford and made hid major league debut on August 4 of 1991 at the age of 22.

Moose held the White Sox to one run on a Frank Thomas solo home run in 7 1/3 innings, scattering three other hits and four walks and striking out one. He then got beat up by the White Sox five days later. He alternated good and bad starts for four more turns, then aced the stretch posting a 1.66 ERA over his last six starts (including a win against the Yankees). The next year, Mussina made the All-Star team, won 18 games, finished third in the league in ERA and fourth in the Cy Young voting. The rest is history. We can't reasonably expect Kennedy to be that good that quickly (besides which, he won't have that month to adjust that Mussina had in August 1991), but if the comparisons to Mussina work, this was in many ways the right decision.

As for Old Moose (Big Moose? Mussina is a few inches taller), Peter Abraham has some remarkable audio from him Thursday. It's 16 minutes of Mussina discussing calmly, honestly, openly, and introspectively his reactions to the events of this week. Mussina may have a reputation as a crank, but this session with the media is spectacular and an excellent example of why I've always been fond of the guy, even at his crankiest. (Incidentally, toward the end one of the reporters mentions Rick Sutcliffe and Orel Hershiser. Moose says "those guys pitched a long time." Both pitched 18 years. Moose is in his 17th. Sutcliffe retired at age 38, Mussina's age now.)

We watch today, we cheer today, maybe we even kvetch, and throw things today. But we all root-root-root for the Bomb Squad and the Kid.

Let's Go Yan-Kees!

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2007-09-01 07:10:20

1. Sliced Bread

While he was having his way with his brides, Sonnanstine probably hit the Mega Millions last night. $330 million dollar jackpot: almost enough to buy yourself an A-Rod.

Ah, moving on, here's to a bright beginning for the Kennedy administration.

2007-09-01 07:10:41

2. OldYanksFan

Baseball is such a spectacularly unpretictable game! After losing the last 2 games to Detroit, with Seattle on a tear, things looked bleak! The 'there goes the season' rants were piling up.

So what's happened over the last week or so?
Boston loses 4 in a row.
Cleveland wins 7 in a row.
The Angles win 5 in a row.
Seattle (hot hot hot) loses 7 in a row.... falling 6 more games behind in the division just when it was in their grasp.

And the Yankees lead the WC.
Remember Minn. last year?

Ya just gotta keep rooting and save your predictions for Oct 1.

(however... I predict Autumn baseball for us!)

2007-09-01 07:20:14

3. OldYanksFan

0 You forgot to mention that Detroit (the real enemy) lost also. Seattle has a hard schedule, including 8 of their last 11 against the Angels and Cleveland. Detroit has a soft schedule including 6 of their last 9 against KC and the Off-White Sox.

On Monday, we have 3 against Seattle. Obviously, 3 very big games. Then on Friday when we face KC, Seattle and Detroit go head to head for 3.

So in 8 days, we will really see what's going on!

2007-09-01 07:23:11

4. tommyl

I'll be at the game today, cheering mini-Moose on. For some reason that sounds like Mighty Mouse to me in my head, and I keep hearing the theme music...

2007-09-01 07:43:53

5. Sarasota

Did the teams switch uniforms last night? There have been frustrating losses this season and then there was last night.

Was Hughes ever in last night's game?? What was with all the mis communication between Hughes and Posada???? Hughes looked like a deer caught in the head lights.....here he comes to save the day...... Mini Moose!!!!

2007-09-01 07:54:56

6. Sliced Bread

Caught Cashman on the radio yesterday afternoon. He made no revelations about Kennedy. Everybody knows he's going to have to hit his spots with that mid-upper 80s fastball.

Cash mentioned two guys who I've forgotten about: Sanchez and Cox. He says they're both throwing, and are recovering on or ahead of schedule. Cash always holds his cards close to his vest, but he sounded pretty optimistic about them.

2007-09-01 08:05:19

7. Sliced Bread

oh, and I get the sense that Cashman has been spending more time with Nardi and Eiland lately than his wife. It's all about the kids these days.

2007-09-01 08:19:56

8. Zack

6 Hey hey, give Kennedy his due, he's been in the low 90s all year, though hes probably tiring now. He's generally been right around 90-91...

I'll be up in LA visiting my dad and little bro and sis, so alas, no game for me, but I leave it all in youse guys more than capable hands!

And on a final note, Yesterday really convinced me that Hughes' mechanics are a bit off. Bad control and bad curve break are just not things you would associate with Hughes. So either that Hammy still ain't right, or his mechanics are out of whack. Either one, it might not get done until the offseason...

2007-09-01 09:44:38

9. Mattpat11

In sad news, Doug Mientkiewicz is back.

2007-09-01 09:49:58

10. williamnyy23

9 DM is supposedly a great guy to have in the clubhouse, so as long as he stays there (and doesn't make it into the batter's box much), his addition isn't really bad news.

Seriously, the addition of DM gives Torre two solid defensive 1B, which should allow him to pinch hit more. Basically, he go offense/defense/offense/defense at the position. As long as Torre doesn't get the crazy notion that DM should actually start any games, his addition could be a positive.

2007-09-01 09:52:31

11. Mattpat11

10 Then make him the clubhouse attendant.

2007-09-01 09:53:16

12. williamnyy23

I was at the game last night and didn't read the comments, but does anyone else feel that Hughes should be on the same leash as Moose. Hughes has now had three straight poor starts and the team has lost his last four starts. If Kennedy does well today and Mussina has an outstanding side session, I think I might consider letting Moose go next Wednesday.

2007-09-01 09:55:52

13. randym77

12 Those are two rather immense "if's."

2007-09-01 10:00:47

14. Mattpat11

Kennedy looks 16

2007-09-01 10:10:25

15. EricSanSan

Got love Fox windows on Saturday. I'm in Birmingham, AL and can't get this game anywhere! Counting on the board heavily today to describe IPK's start.

2007-09-01 10:10:48

16. SF Yanks

Damn, I'm nervous for this kid.

2007-09-01 10:11:26

17. randym77

This guy is a scary flyball pitcher, I guess.

2007-09-01 10:12:27

18. EricSanSan

What's been the fastball velo?

2007-09-01 10:14:01

19. Mattpat11

Six pitches

2007-09-01 10:14:51

20. EricSanSan

Did he mix in anything offspeed?

2007-09-01 10:15:16

21. OldYanksFan

Those that need the magic link can email me at:
wizofoz01 -at- comcast -dot- net

2007-09-01 10:16:05

22. OldYanksFan

The kid is small. Mini-mini-Moose

2007-09-01 10:16:16

23. williamnyy23

The Yankees have to come out hitting today...you can accept one letdown, but they really have to lay the wood in these next two.

2007-09-01 10:16:22

24. randym77

18 Gameday gives the pitch speed these days.

2007-09-01 10:17:28

25. williamnyy23

23 And as I say that, the Yankees continue to show the same lack of patience that allowed them to be shut down by a pitcher throwing 86mph last night.

2007-09-01 10:17:41

26. EricSanSan

Thank randym, was that pitch to Pena a changeup that he bounced out to second? Or a curveball?

2007-09-01 10:18:54

27. OldYanksFan

Anyone notice that Fox doesn't seem to be televising too many 1:00 games? Shouldn't we be on national TV right now?

2007-09-01 10:19:37

28. Mattpat11

Bobby says the call ups dont get a lot of playing time. Hopefully he's speaking of the Stink.

2007-09-01 10:21:48

29. williamnyy23

23 That's what I was talking about!

2007-09-01 10:21:55

30. Mattpat11

WHOO!

2007-09-01 10:22:09

31. seamus

yes, arod!

2007-09-01 10:22:57

32. williamnyy23

27 It's football season... FOX bails out on baseball, which is why MLB should get a new partner.

2007-09-01 10:23:31

33. Mattpat11

In case anyone is wondering, I'm now fine with A-Rod winning the MVP.

I'm sure they'll give it to Justin Morneau, however.

2007-09-01 10:24:36

34. Sliced Bread

Alex gives Kennedy a tremendous boost there.
Kid doesn't have to try to be too perfect.

2007-09-01 10:24:53

35. EricSanSan

Its the same thing every Saturday with Fox. They have a window from 12-6 that they own for their game of the week. If you aren't in a particualr area (like NY to watch the Yanks) you can't get the game no matter what. Extra innings package or not. They do it every Saturday, and you feel it when you are an out of town fan trying to watch your team. It sucks.

2007-09-01 10:27:02

36. randym77

26 Sorry, I couldn't tell. I'm watching it on MLB.TV, and the resolution isn't great.

2007-09-01 10:27:58

37. Mattpat11

Is Kennedy supposed to be a flyball pitcher?

2007-09-01 10:28:36

38. EricSanSan

Damn, I'm glad Yankee stadium is a big yard, those are few deep fly balls already.

2007-09-01 10:28:38

39. OldYanksFan

35 Eric, send me 21 an email NOW

2007-09-01 10:29:32

40. EricSanSan

For what?

2007-09-01 10:30:32

41. Bama Yankee

If anyone has the special link, could you please send it to me at:
bama_yankee2 AT yahoo DOT com

2007-09-01 10:31:23

42. Sliced Bread

For those not watching, the high fastball Kennedy just threw for a strike hit 91 on the generous YES gun. Looked about top speed for the kid.

2007-09-01 10:31:53

43. randym77

I saw that one coming. :-P

2007-09-01 10:31:54

44. Mattpat11

Well then.

2007-09-01 10:32:32

45. williamnyy23

Here we go...

2007-09-01 10:32:36

46. Vandelay Industries

41 If someone has it, I'd appreciate the link too.

My email is brstormer@roadrunner dot com

2007-09-01 10:32:49

47. OldYanksFan

MVP! MVP!

2007-09-01 10:33:10

48. OldYanksFan

40 The link

2007-09-01 10:33:14

49. Chyll Will

Why does that always happen right after an error like that?

2007-09-01 10:34:21

50. randym77

"The link" only works if you are a subscriber to MLB.TV. So if you're not, don't bother.

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2007-09-01 10:37:53

51. Chyll Will

I think the command is there...

2007-09-01 10:39:50

52. Vandelay Industries

50 I am a subscriber. Do you have the link? email brstormer@roadrunner.com

2007-09-01 10:39:58

53. Chyll Will

Well, what do I know?

2007-09-01 10:40:27

54. Mattpat11

Jesus. He is Mini-Moose.

2007-09-01 10:41:27

55. OldYanksFan

Bummer. Both runs UNearned.

2007-09-01 10:41:48

56. Chyll Will

54 That wasn't necessarily his fault; should have been three outs before that.

2007-09-01 10:41:55

57. williamnyy23

Like it or not, this team is in pennant race with two rookie pitchers, and regardless of talent, this how they usually pitch.

2007-09-01 10:42:12

58. Mattpat11

55 Why's that? The pop up would have been the second out.

2007-09-01 10:42:34

59. OldYanksFan

He even has that funky bend-over like Moose.

2007-09-01 10:42:52

60. williamnyy23

55 The earned status of the runs isn't the concern...it's that he can't locate his pitches and gave up a bomb to a bad hitter.

2007-09-01 10:42:57

61. OldYanksFan

52 Did you get it?

2007-09-01 10:43:00

62. Mattpat11

56 Thats what I meant. Everything goes to hell after the error. Mini Mike Mussina.

2007-09-01 10:43:38

63. williamnyy23

58 Meaning the K would have been the 3rd.

2007-09-01 10:44:12

64. Chyll Will

58 The K before the double would've been third (is that right or am I buggin'?)

2007-09-01 10:44:30

65. Mattpat11

62 I didn't think it worked that way.

2007-09-01 10:44:30

66. randym77

Is Kennedy wearing actual stirrups? Been awhile since I've seen those on a major leaguer.

2007-09-01 10:45:02

67. Chyll Will

Okay I was wrong, the command's not there...

2007-09-01 10:45:08

68. weeping for brunnhilde

What the hell?!

Did I just see Kennedy do that bizarre thing that Mike does?--where he bends down working from the stretch?

Weird.

Mike hates this kid to begin with and now he's aping his delivery as well.

Mike's gonna kick his ass if he's not careful.

2007-09-01 10:45:16

69. Mattpat11

Funny think is even with a 30 pitch inning his pitch count isn't awful.

2007-09-01 10:46:05

70. Mattpat11

68 He's Mini Moose.

2007-09-01 10:46:42

71. williamnyy23

68 I think Moose is liking more and more with each 2-0 count. I have a feeling Moose will be making a start next week.

2007-09-01 10:47:08

72. randym77

68 Why does Mike hate him?

I don't think he's intentionally imitating him. That's just what he does.

2007-09-01 10:48:06

73. Chyll Will

68 He's known for that (the Moose-like bending among other similarities), so it's not a big deal (unless he goes all the way with a 17+ ERA today)

2007-09-01 10:49:39

74. Chyll Will

Any lip-readers watching the game? William?

2007-09-01 10:49:40

75. weeping for brunnhilde

59 Right, exactly!

2007-09-01 10:51:09

76. williamnyy23

74 It seems as if Iwamura has too much equipment on.

2007-09-01 10:51:31

77. williamnyy23

Nope...it's his bat.

2007-09-01 10:51:51

78. Mattpat11

Its pine tar all over again.

2007-09-01 10:51:59

79. Chyll Will

uh-oh, something up with the bat...

2007-09-01 10:51:59

80. weeping for brunnhilde

72 No, he doesn't hate him, but I heard his interview and he sure sounded resentful.

Reporter: "You have 247 career victories, how do you feel about being replaced by a guy who has..."

Mike, sharply: "Zero?--Yeah, I know..."

Something like that.

He took what seemed to be a gratuitous dig at the kid's, well, kidness rather than answering graciously.

2007-09-01 10:52:23

81. randym77