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Could be Worse (Could be Raining)
2007-08-22 18:19
by Alex Belth
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

What to say, what to say? We've bitched and moaned for two days now as the Angels have once again handed the Bombers their bacon. Lots of humble pie round these parts, dag nabit. The Yanks put Andy Pettitte on the spot to come up with another huge performance tonight, hoping they end their losing skid at two. It'd sure be nice to see 'em leave Southern California with a victory. Unfortunately, they've got to deal with the tough John Lackey, but hey, playoff teams beat good pitchers, and if the Yanks think of themselves as a playoff team, well, they'll have to face the likes of Lackey, Escobar, Beckett and Matsuzaka somewhere along the line. So never mind the bollocks, Let's Go Yan-Kees!

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2007-08-22 18:37:28
1.   markp
Nothing like a bollocks reference to change our luck.
2007-08-22 18:40:10
2.   Chyll Will
At this point, could rain really be a bad thing? It would keep the bumpires from attacking...
2007-08-22 18:42:18
3.   Matty B
Lackey has been tough this year, but this seems to be a favorable match-up for the Yankees. The offense hasn't exactly been the problem so far in this series. With our best pitcher of late throwing, and a ready-to-pitch Joba, the Yanks stand to pick up a victory tonight and gain a game on the Mariners who lost to the Twins earlier today.
2007-08-22 18:47:30
4.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Lackey's actually one of the few Angels to play worse at home than on the road. He's still pretty darn good at home, but not nearly as good as he's been on the road.

Go Rays. Go Yanks.

2007-08-22 18:52:36
5.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Pena failing to get the runner in with bases-loaded one out could end up hurting very much tonight.

4 outs to go for the Rays.

2007-08-22 18:56:35
6.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Cora k's.

3 outs to go. Youk, Papi, Lowell coming up.

Time for the Rays to tack on some insurance.

2007-08-22 18:57:03
7.   Jersey
Could be worse: the Angels could hang 30 on us.
2007-08-22 18:57:23
8.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
French Canada's strongest Yankee fan in for the Sawx.
2007-08-22 18:59:17
9.   vockins
0 Let's hope that the Yanks take a holiday in the sun and that they don't end up like a bunch of bodies out there. Otherwise their postseason chances look pretty vacant.
2007-08-22 19:08:00
10.   rsmith51
Ortiz is having a nice year.
2007-08-22 19:08:12
11.   Mattpat11
0 Luckily, we own Matsuzaka. Boston wins in spite of him.

I'm ready for some fine Yankee baseball.

2007-08-22 19:10:20
12.   Mattpat11
Fat Man up in Tampa.
2007-08-22 19:10:36
13.   Mike T
Figgins not playing tonight.
2007-08-22 19:10:51
14.   rsmith51
Why can't YES be the station for the MLB Extra Innings? I don't see how Angel fans can listen to these guys every day.
2007-08-22 19:11:28
15.   Mattpat11
Jeter's 20th DP of the year
2007-08-22 19:11:29
16.   rsmith51
Jeter now leading the league in DPs?
2007-08-22 19:11:36
17.   williamnyy23
Goodness...Jeter has really been killing rallies with double plays lately.
2007-08-22 19:11:42
18.   Vandelay Industries
The DP machine that is Derek Jeter.
2007-08-22 19:11:57
19.   Benjamin Kabak
That's a career best (worst?) for Jeter. Ouch.
2007-08-22 19:13:03
20.   Vandelay Industries
I think Manny "Why run when I can walk" Ramirez is ahead of him. So for all intents and purposes, Jete does lead the league, because Manny's come from shear laziness.
2007-08-22 19:13:16
21.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
What is it with Jeter and the friggin double plays?
2007-08-22 19:13:48
22.   Shaun P
Given who's usually on base in front of Jeter (Damon or Melky), that DP figure is somewhat surprising.

Papi walks, and I'm off to bed - early meeting tomorrow. Go Yanks (please win).

2007-08-22 19:14:03
23.   williamnyy23
I never thought I'd say it, but it might be time for Jeter to break out the bunt again.
2007-08-22 19:15:44
24.   Benjamin Kabak
We finally got Chone Figgins out of this lineup. Good.
2007-08-22 19:16:07
25.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Nancy up. One out to go.
2007-08-22 19:16:29
26.   Benjamin Kabak
Can Al Reyes please just get some outs? PLEASE.
2007-08-22 19:16:44
27.   Mattpat11
20 He tied Manny, Aaron Hill and Mark teahan
2007-08-22 19:17:35
28.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Can't believe there's no one to pinch run for Papi, who's already been thrown out at the plate tonight iirc.
2007-08-22 19:17:50
29.   Benjamin Kabak
Thank god. Devil Rays win.
2007-08-22 19:18:18
30.   Zack
Tonight's now a huge game, let's get 'em boys! C'mon Andy!
2007-08-22 19:18:34
31.   Mattpat11
Boston loses.
2007-08-22 19:19:03
32.   Mike T
Tampa 2-1 Boston Final
2007-08-22 19:19:05
33.   Mattpat11
That San Diego Zoo sign gives me flashbacks.
2007-08-22 19:20:19
34.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Ah, Captain FaceMask makes the final out . . .

And Andy gets them 1,2,3 in the first.

2007-08-22 19:21:01
35.   fansince77
Already the ump is squeezing- what is with this shit? If Andy doesn't get the outside corner- it's going to be a long night. Umps seem to have a chip. Let them play!
2007-08-22 19:21:48
36.   OldYanksFan
The Sox have a call go against them that cost them a tie. The leave 14 LOB. Good luck for us.
2007-08-22 19:23:47
37.   seamus
Tonight is a huge opportunity to minimize the damage from this series. A win tonight with Boston and Seattle losing would be huge. C'mon Yanks!
2007-08-22 19:24:55
38.   Mike T
Solid AB by Matsui.
2007-08-22 19:25:41
39.   Mike T
So, I am thinking that when we play the Orioles from now on, we need to borrow some players from the Rangers.
2007-08-22 19:25:46
40.   seamus
nice AB from Hideki!
2007-08-22 19:27:00
41.   Mike T
Good baserunning my Matsui, nice hit by Posada. Let's go guys!
2007-08-22 19:27:35
42.   Mattpat11
39 35 runs in one day. Damn.
2007-08-22 19:27:59
43.   Mattpat11
This has DP written all over it.
2007-08-22 19:28:41
44.   Mike T
Another DP. We won't sniff a victory with plays like that.
2007-08-22 19:29:30
45.   Mike T
Our guys had a solid inning going there too.
2007-08-22 19:29:35
46.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Dammit Robby. It's flippin May all over again lately with him.
2007-08-22 19:29:37
47.   JeremyM
43 You were right. Ugh. A nice inning gone to waste. Hard to believe Jeter has more than he does.
2007-08-22 19:30:12
48.   williamnyy23
Bad job by Cano...he has to try to lift the ball. The poor execution on the coast continues.
2007-08-22 19:30:17
49.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey Team.

How are we doing?

2007-08-22 19:30:41
50.   weeping for brunnhilde
48 That good, huh?
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2007-08-22 19:31:09
51.   Yankees Brasil
Don't desearve to play in the postseason if we keep this shit going..
2007-08-22 19:31:26
52.   williamnyy23
Nice to see the Yankees go to school on Anderson...another off speed and another hit. Was anyone watching last night?
2007-08-22 19:31:27
53.   weeping for brunnhilde
Anderson ropes a single.

How 'bout that.

2007-08-22 19:32:44
54.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ah, well done, Team!

Nice play, Robby.

2007-08-22 19:33:10
55.   OldYanksFan
What goes around, comes around.
2007-08-22 19:33:42
56.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice job, Andy.
2007-08-22 19:35:19
57.   Matty B
Does anyone feel this is our best potential offensive line-up? Or is Melky leading off, Damon sitting, and Giambi DHing better?
2007-08-22 19:36:10
58.   Mattpat11
http://tinyurl.com/3awne4

Bud on coke would explain a lot

2007-08-22 19:36:31
59.   williamnyy23
57 The best offensive lineup would have Giambi in, Damon out and Jeter leading off.
2007-08-22 19:36:57
60.   bobtaco
57 Definitely Giambi DH'ing is better. But I like Wilson at 1B (except for the K's)...
2007-08-22 19:37:10
61.   williamnyy23
Crap...I really hope last inning wasn't the Yankees best chance to score.
2007-08-22 19:37:15
62.   Mattpat11
That pitch was too...

something for Wilson to offer at.

2007-08-22 19:38:13
63.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nicely struck, Johnny.
2007-08-22 19:39:46
64.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ah, well.

He hit it well enough.

2007-08-22 19:40:06
65.   williamnyy23
At least it wasn't another DP.

Something makes me think that the only scoring in this game will come from an A-bomb.

2007-08-22 19:41:47
66.   fansince77
It was so nice to see Jeter not ruin an innng with a double play. Always prefer innings being ruined other ways.
2007-08-22 19:42:11
67.   weeping for brunnhilde
I love the way Andy's left arm dangles about in his follow-through.
2007-08-22 19:42:23
68.   weeping for brunnhilde
Thirty to three?
2007-08-22 19:43:00
69.   williamnyy23
What's going on? Did both teams get a copy of the same play book?
2007-08-22 19:43:18
70.   weeping for brunnhilde
65 Or from Jason. Oh, wait, if Damon's playing, is he not in the lineup?
2007-08-22 19:43:27
71.   JeremyM
68 Boy, Leo Mazzone must've rocked himself silly during that one.
2007-08-22 19:47:34
72.   weeping for brunnhilde
What the hell was that?
2007-08-22 19:47:57
73.   weeping for brunnhilde
I think it did hit the ump in the mask.
2007-08-22 19:48:17
74.   williamnyy23
How badly can this team play this series?
2007-08-22 19:51:00
75.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice job, Andy.

Andy's a golden god.

2007-08-22 19:51:09
76.   Mattpat11
This may not be PC, after two years, I'm still not used to seeing a white man come up when they say Reggie Willits.
2007-08-22 19:54:45
77.   weeping for brunnhilde
Christ, 42 homeruns.

That's really prodigious, when you stop and think about it.

2007-08-22 19:56:05
78.   williamnyy23
After hearing Abreu's #s against Lackey, it really makes you wonder why Giambi is on the bench (1.153 OPS is 35 PAs).
2007-08-22 19:56:29
79.   weeping for brunnhilde
It's nice Alex took that walk rather than getting himself tied up chasing up and in.

I love his discipline these days.

2007-08-22 19:56:51
80.   williamnyy23
Mathis has done that 4 times this series...makes you wonder why it has been very close each time.
2007-08-22 19:58:52
81.   weeping for brunnhilde
Pfffffffff.

This is really frustrating.

2007-08-22 19:59:42
82.   Mattpat11
You would have thought the play was close at third.
2007-08-22 19:59:45
83.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hideki and Derek both with almost-hits.

Nice job, Jorgie!

Laced down the letftfield line.

Gorgeous fucking hitting.

2007-08-22 20:00:49
84.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice take, Robby!
2007-08-22 20:01:14
85.   weeping for brunnhilde
Cano's seeing the baseball.
2007-08-22 20:02:09
86.   williamnyy23
Was Cano really zoning low and in the dirt on 2-0?
2007-08-22 20:02:10
87.   weeping for brunnhilde
Aggggghhhhhh!

How does he take the first two and then swing at the same pitch 2-0?

2007-08-22 20:03:03
88.   williamnyy23
That was ball 4...here comes the bouncer in the dirt.
2007-08-22 20:03:04
89.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fuck, and now it's 3-2.

It was looking so good at 2-0.

2007-08-22 20:03:09
90.   bobtaco
How did he miss that last one?
2007-08-22 20:03:45
91.   weeping for brunnhilde
Yaaaaaayyyyyyyyy!!

He threw the ball away!

Jorgie being Jorgie.

2007-08-22 20:03:50
92.   Mattpat11
Posada really can't run the bases.
2007-08-22 20:04:25
93.   williamnyy23
From good luck to bad luck in 2 seconds...did that ball really have to bounce right back to Quinlan!
2007-08-22 20:04:40
94.   fansince77
Bad luck. Jorge is a bad baserunner but that was a wierd bounce off the wall.
2007-08-22 20:05:25
95.   3rd gen yankee fan
What the heck did ARod just do? Did you see him fall over at home???
2007-08-22 20:05:27
96.   williamnyy23
92 I can't blame Posada there...he couldn't have known the ball would hit the wall and bounce right back to the first baseman.
2007-08-22 20:06:31
97.   williamnyy23
I don't feel good about 1 run on six hits.
2007-08-22 20:06:38
98.   weeping for brunnhilde
You're right, he couldn't, but Derek could.

;)

2007-08-22 20:06:45
99.   bobtaco
How the hell was that not an error on Lackey's throw?
2007-08-22 20:07:14
100.   Mike T
Hoe exactly is that a base hit and not an error?
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2007-08-22 20:07:52
101.   weeping for brunnhilde
God damn, but Vlad can hit.
2007-08-22 20:09:15
102.   weeping for brunnhilde
They never go quietly, do they?

They respond to every fucking thing we ever do.

It's demoralizing.

2007-08-22 20:09:41
103.   weeping for brunnhilde
I.

Hate.

This.

Team.

2007-08-22 20:09:47
104.   Mattpat11
99 Didn't lead to a run.
2007-08-22 20:12:04
105.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice pitch, Andy.
2007-08-22 20:12:08
106.   bobtaco
104 Seriously, you can throw the ball away, and let a man on base, and if he doesn't score it's not an error.
2007-08-22 20:12:40
107.   weeping for brunnhilde
All right, that's fine.
2007-08-22 20:13:45
108.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oooh, beautiful 1-0 change.
2007-08-22 20:14:05
109.   Benjamin Kabak
That's a sweet double play.
2007-08-22 20:14:05
110.   weeping for brunnhilde
Yeaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
2007-08-22 20:14:10
111.   bobtaco
Y_E_S !!!!
2007-08-22 20:14:24
112.   weeping for brunnhilde
Robby, that was fucking clutch.

Nice job.

2007-08-22 20:14:30
113.   Benjamin Kabak
Wow. Kendrick was totally safe. Terrible call but I'll take it. It wasn't even close.
2007-08-22 20:14:47
114.   Mattpat11
106 They ruled Baltimore chop a run scoring base hit. The throwing error led to nothing.
2007-08-22 20:15:03
115.   Zack
Oooh, bad call but I'll take it!
2007-08-22 20:15:06
116.   3rd gen yankee fan
ooh we get a break
2007-08-22 20:15:13
117.   weeping for brunnhilde
Like I was saying, Andy's a golden god.
2007-08-22 20:15:21
118.   bobtaco
113 Huge break, it wasn't even close.
2007-08-22 20:16:18
119.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oooh, really?

Boston lost?

Excellent.

2007-08-22 20:17:38
120.   bobtaco
Melky, take a god damn pitch. Grrr.
2007-08-22 20:17:39
121.   weeping for brunnhilde
Lackey's got a nice little cut to that fastball of his.

And a great slider.

When did Lackey's stuff get so good?

He wasn't this good in 2002, was he?

2007-08-22 20:17:49
122.   Mike T
Wow, what a bad call. We'll take it though.
2007-08-22 20:17:51
123.   pistolpete
Oh that's good Melky, let's get our guys back on the field as soon as humanly possible.
2007-08-22 20:18:00
124.   Mattpat11
Dan Iassogna has butchered calls three nights in a row.

Three calls that weren't even close.

2007-08-22 20:20:24
125.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ohhh, damn.

Sick pitch.

2007-08-22 20:22:26
126.   3rd gen yankee fan
I just called one of my clients, and he's at the game! He's an Angels fan! BLECH!!!!
2007-08-22 20:23:09
127.   Mike T
126 Drop him. :P
2007-08-22 20:24:26
128.   weeping for brunnhilde
This is why they never go one two three.

They slap it around.

2007-08-22 20:25:50
129.   weeping for brunnhilde
I think Andy got away with one there.

That pitch looked fat.

2007-08-22 20:29:20
130.   Mattpat11
John is pissed at Billy Martin
2007-08-22 20:30:41
131.   bobtaco
Bobby putting on a defensive clinic.
2007-08-22 20:30:49
132.   pistolpete
I wonder if that was a bluff by Abreu...
2007-08-22 20:31:26
133.   weeping for brunnhilde
130 I know.

Ah, "You got me fired up there, Michael..."

2007-08-22 20:32:35
134.   pistolpete
1-0 and it's a Joba night. This game could be fun to watch in a few innings...
2007-08-22 20:32:52
135.   weeping for brunnhilde
Andy's a golden god.
2007-08-22 20:34:50
136.   SF Yanks
Wow, the Rangers scored 30!! runs tonight. The most in 100 somethin years.
2007-08-22 20:36:46
137.   weeping for brunnhilde
136 I know! I remember a game in the '80s between the Mets and (I think) Phillie, the final score of which was (I think) 26-7.

Thirty.

2007-08-22 20:37:00
138.   fansince77
Isn't it time for Jeter to start bunting or trying harder to work walks? He is really unjeterlike these last few games.
2007-08-22 20:38:25
139.   weeping for brunnhilde
Yet another middling fly ball out.

A lot of solid contact, but I guess everyone's off balance?

2007-08-22 20:39:12
140.   yankz
136 Yeah, I'm waiting for Bob's post.
2007-08-22 20:39:29
141.   williamnyy23
It seems as if the only Yankee with really good numbers against Lackey is Giambi...it's kind of a shame that Joe decided to leave him on the bench.
2007-08-22 20:41:20
142.   weeping for brunnhilde
I wonder if Lackey's one of those "comfortable 0-5" guys hitters talk about.

He doesn't dominate, but he gets you out.

2007-08-22 20:41:32
143.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice, Alex!
2007-08-22 20:42:31
144.   Mike T
That fuckin' figures.
2007-08-22 20:42:33
145.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Noooooooooooo!!!!!!!1

I fucking hate this team!!!

2007-08-22 20:43:12
146.   3rd gen yankee fan
Damn. Nice catch.
2007-08-22 20:43:46
147.   williamnyy23
This game, like most against the Angels, doesn't seem meant to be.
2007-08-22 20:45:13
148.   bobtaco
If Pettitte can't finish an inning, who comes in?
2007-08-22 20:46:40
149.   weeping for brunnhilde
Andy's a golden god.

Nice pitch, Andy.

Wow, remember when Mike could do that?

2007-08-22 20:46:53
150.   bobtaco
"...and now Rex Hudler's explanation of an MRI"

KILL ME!!!!!!!

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2007-08-22 20:47:09
151.   williamnyy23
148 That's the stupid part of the Joba rules because it isn't designed to protect his arm.
2007-08-22 20:47:54
152.   weeping for brunnhilde
What a perfect 0-1 breaking ball.

Oh no.

The 1-1, not so much.

2007-08-22 20:48:01
153.   yankz
FUCK
2007-08-22 20:48:24
154.   weeping for brunnhilde
Curve just hung up there.
2007-08-22 20:48:25
155.   williamnyy23
Damn it...that's a huge hit. You could sense it coming...the Yankee forfeit several opportunities and then the Angels cash in.
2007-08-22 20:48:47
156.   3rd gen yankee fan
Ok, no freaking out allowed.
2007-08-22 20:48:51
157.   Mike T
Again, that fuckin' figures.
2007-08-22 20:48:54
158.   Benjamin Kabak
Endy Chavez was have caught it :)
2007-08-22 20:48:57
159.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, and with the fucking smoke already.

I hate this team, I hate this stadium.

2007-08-22 20:49:31
160.   Mattpat11
Chances we win this game?
2007-08-22 20:49:51
161.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice healthy rip at that, Vlad.
2007-08-22 20:49:59
162.   bobtaco
151 I would assume they think it takes his arm longer to get loose, which is why it is a rule.
2007-08-22 20:50:31
163.   weeping for brunnhilde
Yeahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

Andy's a golden god.

2007-08-22 20:51:07
164.   weeping for brunnhilde
Popped him up!!!!

Andy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-08-22 20:51:13
165.   Zack
Have I mentioned how much I hate that Lackey craps the bed vs. the Sox yet dominates us?
2007-08-22 20:51:22
166.   pistolpete
160 If we score 2 more, we win. Gotta get to the mouth-breather, though...
2007-08-22 20:51:36
167.   bobtaco
163 He might be silver now.
2007-08-22 20:52:10
168.   williamnyy23
160 I'd like to say I'm confident, but I am not. Win or lose, this series has seriously shaken my confidence in this team.
2007-08-22 20:52:23
169.   weeping for brunnhilde
167 ha ha haha. :)
2007-08-22 20:53:26
170.   weeping for brunnhilde
168 It's Mike.

What can we do, he's the wink link.

2007-08-22 20:54:05
171.   SF Yanks
The view from behind the pitcher and the way NYY is next to LAA on top of the screen, with the colors and all, just make me want to throw up because it's at Angels stadium. It's hard to put in words really. Just looking at the screen the way everything is....Ahhhh, screw it. I can't explain it. What it comes down to is I hate the Angels and their stupid stadium.
2007-08-22 20:54:21
172.   pistolpete
165 Well it WAS at Fenway, the Nintendo of ballparks.
2007-08-22 20:54:39
173.   weeping for brunnhilde
171 Hear, hear.
2007-08-22 20:55:02
174.   bobtaco
170 Maybe we can surgically implant Mussina's brain into Igawa's body, maybe that would work...
2007-08-22 20:55:26
175.   Raf
76 I'm still getting used to Khalil Greene.
2007-08-22 20:55:44
176.   weeping for brunnhilde
174 ha ha hah ah aha !!

I like the idea, it shows promise.

2007-08-22 20:55:55
177.   Mattpat11
Joe Torre said "weird fucking things happened?"
2007-08-22 20:56:30
178.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fantastic ab, Jorgie!

Ok, we gotta get him home.

2007-08-22 20:57:24
179.   bobtaco
Finally, Robbie, nice AB
2007-08-22 20:57:24
180.   weeping for brunnhilde
Robby!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!

Jorgie takes third!

Come on, TEam, let's fucking do this.

2007-08-22 20:57:26
181.   pistolpete
The mouth breather's gotta be breathing mighty hard now.
2007-08-22 20:57:31
182.   claybeez
I can't believe Jorge made it without a throw.
2007-08-22 20:57:50
183.   yankz
Please, please score.
2007-08-22 20:58:07
184.   pistolpete
181 BTW, new acronym for Lackey: MBJL (mouth breather John Lackey)
2007-08-22 20:58:32
185.   weeping for brunnhilde
At what point do we think about Joba?
2007-08-22 20:58:43
186.   DougP
Alright, looking good. C'mon Betemit. Drive in a run.
2007-08-22 20:59:05
187.   weeping for brunnhilde
If we get the lead, I say Joba for two.

Oh, fuck, Vlad.

Damn it.

2007-08-22 20:59:09
188.   yankz
185 Now, if we get a lead.
2007-08-22 20:59:17
189.   claybeez
Is it legal to actually use a cannon in the OF?
2007-08-22 20:59:21
190.   Raf
tough game, this baseball
2007-08-22 20:59:21
191.   Yu-Hsing Chen
shitttt that was very well hit
2007-08-22 20:59:22
192.   williamnyy23
I'm really worried about Posada on the bases here.
2007-08-22 20:59:28
193.   tommyl
Nope, we're still playing in Anaheim, sigh.
2007-08-22 20:59:28
194.   williamnyy23
I'm really worried about Posada on the bases here.
2007-08-22 20:59:31
195.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nothing falls in.

Ever.

2007-08-22 20:59:54
196.   williamnyy23
If they don't score...
2007-08-22 20:59:56
197.   weeping for brunnhilde
That was not a fucking strike to Melky!
2007-08-22 20:59:57
198.   bobtaco
Come on Melky, Eye of the Tiger!
2007-08-22 21:00:13
199.   Raf
please get a hit, melky
2007-08-22 21:00:26
200.   williamnyy23
Be creative here...maybe a squeeze?
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2007-08-22 21:00:40
201.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, Melky.
2007-08-22 21:00:54
202.   bobtaco
200 Yes, I wish Zimmer was still around.
2007-08-22 21:01:06
203.   yankz
If they don't score, this inning would be the epitome of Yankees/Angels games.
2007-08-22 21:01:07
204.   Raf
whew!
2007-08-22 21:01:15
205.   DougP
Thank you, Melky!!
2007-08-22 21:01:19
206.   claybeez
OK. Leche!
2007-08-22 21:01:25
207.   yankz
YES
2007-08-22 21:01:26
208.   weeping for brunnhilde
Yesssssss!!!!!!!!!

Wow, Melky came through!!

One pitch after looking helpless!
Yaaaaayyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!

2007-08-22 21:01:26
209.   bobtaco
Melky is clutch.
2007-08-22 21:01:38
210.   Yu-Hsing Chen
hey you mean they aren't suppose to dive 20 feet and turn that into a DP? ;)
2007-08-22 21:01:41
211.   weeping for brunnhilde
Yeah, that was a terrible pitch by Lackey.
2007-08-22 21:01:42
212.   williamnyy23
200 Melky vs. Lackey...the rematch. I think he K'ed against him 3x last time they met. That's a pretty impressive at bat, considering the last matchup had to be in the back of his mind.
2007-08-22 21:01:50
213.   Raf
200 Play for a run, get a run
2007-08-22 21:02:02
214.   seamus
yes melky!
2007-08-22 21:02:16
215.   bobtaco
Can we get Grandma Damon a bench to sit on?
2007-08-22 21:02:24
216.   claybeez
Time to Call Captain Clutch.
2007-08-22 21:02:30
217.   williamnyy23
Come on Damon!! Something more than a weak pop.

Jeter has to get a big hit here...he is way past due.

2007-08-22 21:03:00
218.   weeping for brunnhilde
Come on, Derek, be a hero here.
2007-08-22 21:03:20
219.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Way to make him work Johnny. (Gameday had that pitch a foot off the plate outside)
2007-08-22 21:03:28
220.   bobtaco
At least Derek can't DP here.
2007-08-22 21:04:10
221.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
A 2-run double would make my night.
2007-08-22 21:04:23
222.   weeping for brunnhilde
Derek doesn't bite.
2007-08-22 21:04:47
223.   weeping for brunnhilde
Yaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yaaaaaaayyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!1

Derekkkk!!!!!!!!!

Yay!!!!!!!!!

2007-08-22 21:05:02
224.   bobtaco
I'll take it. Release the Kracken!!!!!
2007-08-22 21:05:08
225.   pistolpete
Damn it, Derek. Gotta keep the inning alive when you have MBJL on the ropes like that...
2007-08-22 21:05:08
226.   yankz
Whoa- Jeter makes the last out on the bases?

Oh, who cares, Captain Clutch!

2007-08-22 21:05:09
227.   tommyl
Jeter's baserunning has been atrocious lately.
2007-08-22 21:05:29
228.   weeping for brunnhilde
221 How 'bout a two run single?

Will that cut it for ya?

:)

2007-08-22 21:05:38
229.   williamnyy23
Come on Derek! What the hell was that. Remember when Jeter almost was never thrown out on the bases? It was clear Cano was going to score...there was no need to draw a throw. Considering how these games usually go, extinguishing the rally could come back to haunt them.
2007-08-22 21:06:21
230.   yankz
228 Only 1 run
2007-08-22 21:06:29
231.   weeping for brunnhilde
224 hah ah ahah ah ha hah ah a hah ah ahah ah ah
ha hah ah a hah aha.!!1

That's really fucking funny!

2007-08-22 21:06:44
232.   weeping for brunnhilde
Release the Kraken.
2007-08-22 21:07:20
233.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ok, wait, in all seriousness, what do we do with Andy?

First runner, he's gone?

2007-08-22 21:07:22
234.   pistolpete
229 Thanks, Mr. Wet Blanket. Can we calm down from the euphoria of actually having a lead this late in the game before you have us losing the game already?
2007-08-22 21:07:27
235.   SF Yanks
We win tonight and tomorrow with Boston losing tomorrow, we are right back in the thick of things with 4 games out in the division. That's what this team does and I've come to grips with it. They display a heroic-like performance for about 2-3 weeks then crap the bed for about 3-4 games then go back into "hot" mode. Everyone gets down and claims the playoffs out of reach when the Yanks are in their "cold" mode.

As I see it, the "cold" mode ends tonight (hopefully) or tomorrow, and then it's right back into "hot" mode when the chase will be down to around 2 games in the division and the cycle will repeat with several losses in row, everyone throwing in the towel, then back on fire to pull ahead of Boston. The cycle continues like that until the Yanks are # 1 in American League East at the end of the season.

Remember this.

2007-08-22 21:08:30
236.   williamnyy23
Damn it Cano! What the hell was that!
2007-08-22 21:08:35
237.   yankz
FUCK
2007-08-22 21:08:37
238.   weeping for brunnhilde
Why hasn't Joba begun his warmups?

Oh, there's a rule.

Right.

He should have started the inning, in that case.

2007-08-22 21:09:03
239.   bobtaco
232 I'm really surprised Joe isn't going with him for two tonight, becaue if he won't bring Joba in during an inning it could slip away fast.
2007-08-22 21:09:21
240.   seamus
Cano's fielding problems are clearly in his head.
2007-08-22 21:09:26
241.   3rd gen yankee fan
Bench 'im. Dammit.
2007-08-22 21:09:46
242.   weeping for brunnhilde
Why can't we do something?

We're playing with fire leaving Andy in here.

He's pitched brilliantly, but things can turn around so fast, especially with him and against this team.

2007-08-22 21:10:00
243.   williamnyy23
234 Hmm...a two run lead in the 7th against the Angels...that seems pretty safe. Have you watched any of the games these teams have played over the past 10 years?
2007-08-22 21:10:20
244.   ny2ca2dc
I heart Andy Pettitte. Carry on.
2007-08-22 21:10:58
245.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice play, Andy!!
2007-08-22 21:11:16
246.   williamnyy23
It looked like the ump was going to call him safe.
2007-08-22 21:11:21
247.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
239 If Joba can't come in in the middle of inning, I say Torre has to use Mo if Andy's in trouble. Then have Joba slam the door shut after Mo's put out the fire.

Not that Torre would ever do that . . .

2007-08-22 21:11:22
248.   thelarmis
andy will be fine. don't fear. just watch. he'll be fine! : )
2007-08-22 21:11:24
249.   bobtaco
Please Please Please, just one more...
2007-08-22 21:11:30
250.   weeping for brunnhilde
244 I heart Andy Pettitte too.
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2007-08-22 21:11:36
251.   pistolpete
243 But can we be happy for 2 seconds before the Angels came up to bat again?
2007-08-22 21:12:26
252.   weeping for brunnhilde
248 :)
2007-08-22 21:13:15
253.   yankz
I heart him more.

Wait, what?

2007-08-22 21:13:17
254.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ok, it's 3-0.

Who's getting up, exactly?

And if not now, frankly when?

2007-08-22 21:13:58
255.   weeping for brunnhilde
Yay!!!!!

Andy's a golden god.

2007-08-22 21:14:04
256.   bobtaco
Ex-fuggin-hale...
2007-08-22 21:14:30
257.   williamnyy23
251 You can be happy all you want...I'd rather be happy after the game and all day Thursday, and DJ not snuffing the rally would have gone a long way toward that.
2007-08-22 21:14:32
258.   DougP
He's looking very good on the BFOG scale tonight. Might we see him for another inning?
2007-08-22 21:14:50
259.   Zack
Andy, you are the man!

Am I alone in treating tonight with an importance perhaps beyond its actuality?

2007-08-22 21:14:56
260.   tommyl
Mmmmmm....Joba to Mo? I guess we get to see if Joba is immune to the Angels' effect on pinstripes.
2007-08-22 21:15:01
261.   Mike T
Andy's at 95. Does he come out for the 8th?
2007-08-22 21:16:19
262.   Zack
I say Joba for the 8th, Mo for the 9th. If only b/c Joba can't come in the middle of an inning and Viz pitched for some stupid reason yesterday
2007-08-22 21:17:00
263.   claybeez
Bobby!
2007-08-22 21:17:05
264.   weeping for brunnhilde
259 No.

And I think this game is immensely important.

Abreu!!!!!!!!!!!11

Wow!!

He keeps hitting them out to dead center lately.

He's really got power there.

2007-08-22 21:17:07
265.   Mattpat11
Lackey really is all kinds of fugly.
2007-08-22 21:17:11
266.   williamnyy23
Dead center...Abreu's last 3 HRs have been the big part of the ballpark.
2007-08-22 21:17:12
267.   yankz
Oh my god, how many of us thought he'd catch it?

YAHOO

2007-08-22 21:17:17
268.   pistolpete
257 Abreu hits one out for williamnyy23. :-)
2007-08-22 21:17:24
269.   Zack
Bobby!
2007-08-22 21:17:26
270.   seamus
that was nice!
2007-08-22 21:17:36
271.   ny2ca2dc
262 Or if Joba is cruising, let him pitch the 9th too. fantasy i know. I DO fear Vlad vs Joba though...

But here comes bobby with some insurance!! BoYa!

2007-08-22 21:17:37
272.   3rd gen yankee fan
YEAH!
2007-08-22 21:17:41
273.   williamnyy23
266 Except for the one inside the left field pole against Detroit.
2007-08-22 21:18:01
274.   DougP
267 I totally thought it was a fly out to center.
2007-08-22 21:18:16
275.   thelarmis
i love boBBy!!!
2007-08-22 21:18:21
276.   OldYanksFan
We go wackey on Lackey
2007-08-22 21:18:22
277.   yankz
Yes, but Abreu was not hustling around the bases after that HR.
2007-08-22 21:18:27
278.   bobtaco
262 You're damn right, Joba for the 8th. AP pitched a great game, but it's time to shut the door.
2007-08-22 21:18:37
279.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow, I'm so glad we got to Lackey.

His performance reminds me a lot of a late vintage Moose performance.

2007-08-22 21:19:38
280.   claybeez
235 Pretty much agree. It's also the tough part of our schedule. It would be nice to play .700 ball through it, but probably not realistic. They just need to hang close until it's cupcake city again.
2007-08-22 21:20:00
281.   Zack
Now I say def. Joba for the 8th
2007-08-22 21:20:03
282.   Raf
265 Looks kinda like Napoleon Dynamite, if you ask me
2007-08-22 21:21:19
283.   yankz
WIMPS
2007-08-22 21:21:35
284.   thelarmis
OBP!
2007-08-22 21:21:57
285.   Max
271 But if we use Joba for two (as unlikely as it is), he's only available for one game in Detroit this weekend, right? I'd rather use him for one inning with the margin we have.
2007-08-22 21:22:05
286.   yankz
265 For the amount of shit you talk about the way guys look, you'd better be a cross between Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio.
2007-08-22 21:22:27
287.   weeping for brunnhilde
Anyone notice we're actually in the 8th already?

What a crisp, briskly moving game.

Hideki!!

2007-08-22 21:22:35
288.   bobtaco
282 Tiny Tim
2007-08-22 21:23:02
289.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn.

He really smoked it right by him.

2007-08-22 21:23:10
290.   thelarmis
honor!
2007-08-22 21:23:18
291.   pistolpete
If Sterling tells me how the Yankees need to put the game away, I'm going to...

...well, probably keep listening. Who am I kidding?

2007-08-22 21:23:21
292.   claybeez
287 It's really nice. Better than the 4 1/2 hour jobs.
2007-08-22 21:23:52
293.   weeping for brunnhilde
Look at Shields trying with all his might to hide the ball.
2007-08-22 21:25:34
294.   Benjamin Kabak
Hip Hip!
2007-08-22 21:25:40
295.   bobtaco
Angels announcers are complaning the Yankees get the calls.

Way to smoke that Po!

2007-08-22 21:25:43
296.   Mike T
Good shit. 6-1.
2007-08-22 21:25:45
297.   pistolpete
Damn it Jeter, why'd you have to go to second last inning? ;-)
2007-08-22 21:25:56
298.   Benjamin Kabak
BTW, Torre's gotta use Joba tonight. He hasn't pitched since Sunday and tomorrow's an off-day. So he wouldn't burn him in a 6-1 game.
2007-08-22 21:26:06
299.   yankz
295 Yeah, what idiots.

Still Joba?

2007-08-22 21:26:08
300.   Zack
Jorge! Ok, at this point, Andy for the 8th!!
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2007-08-22 21:26:17
301.   Mike T
These Angels announcers are beyond annoying.
2007-08-22 21:26:21
302.   weeping for brunnhilde
291 I know.

I've been listening a little lately and it just infuriates me that I never know what's actually going on in the game.

He withholds the most perfunctory information (inning, score, runners, outs) for minutes on end while going on and on about god knows what.

Great hit Jorgie!

Wow, he just punched it down the line.

I love watching Jorgie hit.

2007-08-22 21:26:22
303.   Zack
Jorge! Ok, at this point, Andy for the 8th!!
2007-08-22 21:26:23
304.   seamus
bring on joba! I'm loving it!
2007-08-22 21:26:26
305.   claybeez
We hold on, we leave Anaheim with good vibes. If we were only going to win one, I'm glad it was today.
2007-08-22 21:26:38
306.   hensley
Jorgie belongs in the HOF.
2007-08-22 21:27:48
307.   JeremyM
305 Great point.
2007-08-22 21:28:45
308.   weeping for brunnhilde
305 And we were competitive on Monday, too, don't forget that.

One bad game under Moose's watch.

2007-08-22 21:28:51
309.   yankz
Too bad they go to his personal BP pitcher after A-rod hits.
2007-08-22 21:29:06
310.   Mike T
Shields' performance tonight should do wonders for his ERA.
2007-08-22 21:29:07
311.   Yu-Hsing Chen
wow, Shields really lost it...

is this game Farnsy proof yet?

2007-08-22 21:29:47
312.   bobtaco
308 Yes, exactly. It wasn't such a bad series.
2007-08-22 21:30:39
313.   williamnyy23
I guess you go to Joba and Mo for one because of the off day, but it seems such a waste to have let Henn lose the game on Monday and have Joba pitch up 5 runs. I know, I know...the rules...but that doesn't mean I have to like them.
2007-08-22 21:31:46
314.   bobtaco
313 It would have been nice if Joba could have pitched on Monday instead of Viz.
2007-08-22 21:32:09
315.   Zack
If the score holds through the 8th, I would say Joba for 2, as tomorrow is a day off, he gets to pitch in the second game. Give Mo the time off...Or pitch Farnswacker for the 9th (gasp, I said it!)
2007-08-22 21:33:36
316.   bobtaco
Melky is a Golden God!
2007-08-22 21:33:46
317.   weeping for brunnhilde
Leche!

Ah, they're getting a taste of their own medicine, now.

2007-08-22 21:33:48
318.   claybeez
312 No. It wasn't. But, losing to these guys after we're ahead feels like a slow, painful bleed.
2007-08-22 21:33:57
319.   Max
308 There have been some bad moments this series (and I'm not penciling in this game yet, given our luck in this hellhole), but overall, we didn't suddenly turn into a horrible team again. The Halos are a very good team at home, no matter how overrated their "scrapball" is.

I think the O has more than done the job this series...pitching, in particular Moose, Viz and Hughes, were the real disappointments. We might have taken one more game if one of the latter two had been on their game.

2007-08-22 21:34:00
320.   Mike T
308 Yes, as frustrating as that game was, let's not forget we had a real chance to win it. Yesterday, however, was a joke.

Oh, and nice Melky!

2007-08-22 21:34:24
321.   weeping for brunnhilde
316 :)
2007-08-22 21:34:33
322.   Zack
OK, now def. no Mo. Joba for 1, Farns for 1
2007-08-22 21:34:35
323.   Mattpat11
312 The Yankees are 3 out in the loss column, but only two in the moral victory column.
2007-08-22 21:34:48
324.   monkeypants
315 Tough call. He could pitch one inning, then be ready for game 1 (and maybe game 3, depending on how he is used) of the next series. Then again, using him for only one inning tonight means burning two pitchers--but with the off day that may not be as big of a deal.

I might lean toward using him for one inning and throwing some slop out there for the ninth, assuming the lead stays at five or six (or more) runs.

2007-08-22 21:35:07
325.   Mattpat11
322 Worthless comes in and we may need to see Mo.
2007-08-22 21:35:33
326.   yankz
Did anyone else think that Hughes didn't look good with men on the other day? I'm wondering if he got so used to dominating in MiL that he never learned.
2007-08-22 21:36:06
327.   bobtaco
319 Hughes gave up 3? He was OK, not bad, not great. It's all on Moose.
2007-08-22 21:36:26
328.   monkeypants
319 Moose has been shit two starts in a row, including the game I saw in person last Thursday. Maybe he's cooked, maybe not, but right now he sure doesn't inspire confidence.
2007-08-22 21:36:29
329.   claybeez
319 The contrast just goes to show what a competitor Andy is. Maybe he can't will wins, but sometimes it seems like it.
2007-08-22 21:36:43
330.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Hmm, Arod might get a shot at Bootlick if he keeps this up.
2007-08-22 21:37:03
331.   williamnyy23
If Joba is really on an innings count, then I'd sit him down and fire up Krazy Kyle.
2007-08-22 21:37:07
332.   Mattpat11
327 Five walks in less than seven innings is pretty horrible.
2007-08-22 21:37:40
333.   Mattpat11
331 Farnswoth rules. Can't finish the game.
2007-08-22 21:37:46
334.   weeping for brunnhilde
313 Agreed.
2007-08-22 21:38:06
335.   yankz
Oh my god I hate these announcers.
2007-08-22 21:38:16
336.   monkeypants
325 That joke was funny the first three hundred times (not just by you), but really, Farnsworth has 'proven' over the last few weeks that he can be trusted with a big lead for one inning. Indeed, he can only be trusted in such a situation.
2007-08-22 21:38:49
337.   JeremyM
Hughes wasn't sharp, but I still saw a lot to like in him. I just hope Guidry (and Kerrigan) is the right pitching coach for him right now.
2007-08-22 21:39:01
338.   yankz
Does Jeter's stance look different to anyone else? A little more hunched?
2007-08-22 21:39:20
339.   claybeez
332 For a rook, I wouldn't call it horrible. They don't generally jump up from the minors with the command and control of Maddux.
2007-08-22 21:39:59
340.   Mattpat11
336 I never trust Worthless in any situation.
2007-08-22 21:40:07
341.   bobtaco
Did Jeter use Moose's toothbrush or something? Seems like some kind of sucking contagion has attached itself to Jeter.
2007-08-22 21:40:17
342.   51cq24
328 he really hasn't looked that good in years, i'm pretty sure he's done, or at least will not be getting better again
2007-08-22 21:40:30
343.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Wow, Jeter's clearly been the worest hitter this game, i mean Betemit K'd twice but he also send a 2 rocket right at Vlad.
2007-08-22 21:40:55
344.   tommyl
Let's not forget Moose's start against Tampa Bay. Single worst game I have ever witnessed in person in my life.
2007-08-22 21:41:25
345.   thelarmis
it's joba time!
2007-08-22 21:41:30
346.   Mattpat11
339 No, I'd say five walks in less than seven is pretty god awful no matter who's pitching.

He's going to be really, really good.

He was not good the other night.

2007-08-22 21:41:53
347.   williamnyy23
Very interesting factoid from LoHud:

The Red Sox are 14-12 in games started by Daisuke Matsuzaka. The Yankees are 7-5 in games when Kei Igawa pitched. I'm just saying.

2007-08-22 21:42:31
348.   bobtaco
346 He did settle down and at least battled through it. I give him that.
2007-08-22 21:42:45
349.   Mattpat11
328 If the alternative is Kei Igawa, I'll send Mussina out there every five days if i have to wheel him out myself.
2007-08-22 21:42:54
350.   claybeez
A number of outlets have written that Jeet is pretty banged up. I'd gather that has something to do with both his step back defensively and his batting issues.
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2007-08-22 21:43:01
351.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn.

He just pours it on in there, doesn't he?

2007-08-22 21:43:33
352.   monkeypants
339 Hell, Maddux didn't cme up with the control of Maddux. check out his first full season in 1987 (age 21, BTW): 74 BB 155 INN 1.6+ WHIP.

340 You've made that abundantly clear.

2007-08-22 21:44:11
353.   thelarmis
4 pitches, 1 K!
2007-08-22 21:44:12
354.   yankz
Joba: "Fuck, this is getting boring."
2007-08-22 21:44:26
355.   Zack
nas-tay
2007-08-22 21:44:34
356.   weeping for brunnhilde
Flaherty said it, that's not fair right there.

This guy's too good to be true.

2007-08-22 21:44:46
357.   Mattpat11
346 He finished off walking Reggie Willits.
2007-08-22 21:45:09
358.   monkeypants
350 And his baserunning. He set a career high is steals last year, but he has really been slowed on the bases this year (witness him getting nailed at second this game).
2007-08-22 21:45:10
359.   weeping for brunnhilde
354 :)
2007-08-22 21:46:12
360.   Zack
6-4-3, c'mon!
2007-08-22 21:46:15
361.   Mattpat11
352 I feel that my point remains relevant as long as Worthless is on this team.
2007-08-22 21:46:50
362.   Mattpat11
358 he was moseying to second.
2007-08-22 21:46:53
363.   51cq24
that 2nd pitch looked like a curve, not a slider
2007-08-22 21:47:00
364.   3rd gen yankee fan
347 THAT is HI-larious.
2007-08-22 21:47:35
365.   monkeypants
361 I'm sorry, what was the point again? I haven't read it in three posts.
2007-08-22 21:47:36
366.   bobtaco
Sit down you little hob goblin
2007-08-22 21:47:38
367.   williamnyy23
358 He has definitely been a step slower this year...from the DPs to the caught stealing, Jeter is not running as well as the past. Considering his age, it's no suprise that the legs may be starting to give. Still, he came into the game with an OPS+ of 127, so his offensive is still as good as ever.
2007-08-22 21:47:46
368.   Mike T
That's the third ball to get away from Jorgie tonight.
2007-08-22 21:47:50
369.   yankz
Joba is so bored right now.
2007-08-22 21:48:07
370.   thelarmis
2 K!
2007-08-22 21:48:12
371.   Zack
I'll take that too :)
2007-08-22 21:48:47
372.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow.

He just challenged Vlad right down the pipe.

2007-08-22 21:48:48
373.   bobtaco
Finish Him!!!
2007-08-22 21:48:53
374.   claybeez
I can't imagine the nerves. Nebraska last year. Vladdy this year.
2007-08-22 21:48:55
375.   Raf
throw vlad another 100mph'er?
2007-08-22 21:48:55
376.   Zack
Orlando wasn't even in the same zone as that pitch
2007-08-22 21:49:16
377.   monkeypants
Fun AB! That was a great cut by Vlad on strike 2; and a wicked slider to end it.
2007-08-22 21:49:30
378.   claybeez
Hells Yea!
2007-08-22 21:49:32
380.   51cq24
i'd like to see another close up of vlad's face there
2007-08-22 21:49:34
381.   bobtaco
Thank you, Kracken.
2007-08-22 21:49:35
382.   Yu-Hsing Chen
you are no match for the powah or Joba Vlad ;)
2007-08-22 21:49:42
383.   weeping for brunnhilde
Good God.

"Somewhat awe-inspiring inning," says Kay.

Indeed it was.

2007-08-22 21:49:52
384.   Zack
Freaking awesome!
2007-08-22 21:49:58
385.   tommyl
Jesus, Joba is insanely good.

I've noticed he has two different sliders. He throws one early in the count, middle low. Then he has the two strike slider, which dives well out of the zone. Impressive that he can do that this early on in his career.

2007-08-22 21:49:59
386.   yankz
Joba gave up the single on purpose, just to embarass Vlad.

Did I miss something? Are we watching Joba's AAA games?

2007-08-22 21:50:12
387.   Mattpat11
365 I'll be glad to remind you. Kyle Farnsworth is a bad pitcher who was a bad signing that has been nothing but a failure for us. His continued presence on this team baffles me to a degree not seen in months.

In happier news, Joba is like what Farnsworth would be if he was worth a shit.

2007-08-22 21:50:25
388.   thelarmis
The HUT The HUT The HUT!!!
2007-08-22 21:50:33
389.   seamus
watching joba strike out the side is priceless.

(especially since the Angels announcers were proclaiming the need to get Andy out and bring in Joba because Andy was so effective)

2007-08-22 21:50:34
390.   claybeez
Thank you, Mr. Oppenheimer.
2007-08-22 21:50:37
391.   ny2ca2dc
Joba just struck out Vlad on 3 pitches. Repeat, Joba Chaimberlin just struck out VLAD on 3 pitches.
2007-08-22 21:50:38
392.   Zack
They know its coming and just can't do anything about it, b/c if they try to lay off the slider, it might just be a fastball right by them
2007-08-22 21:51:10
393.   Mattpat11
He's made Vlad, Sheff and Mags look foolish.

I want Joba vs. Fatty and The Beast in Boston.

2007-08-22 21:51:20
394.   rufuswashere
Oh my, that was something. Chills, tears in the eyes -- a lifetime (40+ years) of baseball fandom is rewarded by seeing an inning like that.

Wow.

2007-08-22 21:51:37
395.   monkeypants
367 Yep. It may also account for his slumping power numbers. Overall he's about on career pace, but he's mostly hitting singles the last month or two. Next year they may have to consider resting him a little more than in the past.
2007-08-22 21:51:40
396.   yankz
Joba knew Vlad has a .936 OPS with RISP and 2 outs, so he intentionally gave up a single and a WP to lower that number.
2007-08-22 21:51:49
397.   Zack
So Farns for the 9th? I say yay
2007-08-22 21:52:36
398.   Mattpat11
397 I say we cut him.
2007-08-22 21:52:40
399.   yankz
397 Yay.
2007-08-22 21:52:41
400.   weeping for brunnhilde
Good hustle, Bobby.

Nice hit.

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2007-08-22 21:52:52
401.   tommyl
How did Joba ever give up a run in the minors? I seriously expect him to start breathing fire on the mound.
2007-08-22 21:52:58
402.   yankz
OK Bootcheck, time to meet your maker.
2007-08-22 21:53:14
403.   51cq24
392 then i guess they don't know it's coming
2007-08-22 21:53:59
404.   monkeypants
398 Eleven posts.
2007-08-22 21:54:27
405.   Mattpat11
Everytime someone throws a hundred I think Kay might need to change his pants.
2007-08-22 21:54:46
406.   Mattpat11
404 Pardon?
2007-08-22 21:55:05
407.   ny2ca2dc
397 Yay. save Joba.
2007-08-22 21:55:28
408.   51cq24
was that vlad still stunned, looking bewilderedly towards joba sitting on the bench?
2007-08-22 21:55:52
409.   yankz
408 FEAR
2007-08-22 21:56:01
410.   bobtaco
Yep, Farns time.
2007-08-22 21:56:13
411.   Mattpat11
I think this might be Matsui's best season to date
2007-08-22 21:56:42
412.   monkeypants
406 Between 398 and 387 .

405 You're right about Kay, though. He loves that triple digit (as if those stadium guns are actually trustworthy). Funny stuff.

2007-08-22 21:57:36
413.   Zack
409 He knows that he has met his maker...
2007-08-22 21:58:32
414.   yankz
413 After a few days of dominance, I began to fear the day Joba gives up his first run.

Now, I know that day will never come.

HAowie Kendrick!

2007-08-22 21:58:45
415.   weeping for brunnhilde
It's terrific the bats are alive.

Detroit's next?

2007-08-22 21:58:52
416.   monkeypants
It's so weird to see an Angels player dive and not make a great play on a Yankee line drive. My worldviews has been rocked at its foundation.
2007-08-22 21:58:56
417.   Mattpat11
412 I still don't get it.

And Kay loves 100 mph. He periodically lectures us, the fans, because we don't appreciate Worthless' 100 mph-ishness.

2007-08-22 21:59:13
418.   3rd gen yankee fan
This game is officially Farns-proof.
2007-08-22 21:59:36
419.   Max
327 The franchise gave up 5 runs. Yeah, it was Viz that let the last 2 score, but there's no question that Hughes wasn't stellar in letting all those baserunners on. The fattest of fat pitches to Jeff Mathis -- when even the Angels announcers are stunned at Mathis getting a clutch hit, you know it's bad.

I'm not down on Hughes long term, but even he said he had nothing. That's why I referred to him as a disappointment -- but just for this series. Not expecting him to be Roger or Maddux, but I hoped he'd be savvy enough not to put scrubs on base or give up hits to them in big situations.

2007-08-22 21:59:52
420.   weeping for brunnhilde
Aw, poor Sheff. He's out indefinitely with a bad shoulder.

What a pity.

2007-08-22 21:59:55
421.   Mattpat11
Why is Joba all by himself?
2007-08-22 22:00:20
422.   weeping for brunnhilde
416 :)
2007-08-22 22:00:40
423.   bobtaco
414 It's really weird because they always talk about players breezing through the minors and then hitting a bump in the majors and not knowing what to do since they have never experienced the failure before. Maybe Joba just doesn't have to worry about failure.
2007-08-22 22:01:12
424.   Zack
Farns for the 9th!
2007-08-22 22:01:25
425.   Raf
If the Yanks make the playoffs, I hope Joba's on the playoff roster; I have no idea what his innings cap is.
2007-08-22 22:01:51
426.   Benjamin Kabak
Ah, good, a save situation.

Wait. What?

2007-08-22 22:02:05
427.   weeping for brunnhilde
419 But that's exactly why Hughes is amazing--even with nothing, he's more than serviceable.

It's precisely that kind of mediocre performance that makes me think he's special.

2007-08-22 22:02:12
428.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
420 Yeah, another terrible trade by Cash . . .
2007-08-22 22:02:24
429.   seamus
um, we're not seriously using Mo here?
2007-08-22 22:02:28
430.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
WHY IS MARIANO PITCHING?????
even with a day-off tomorrow, I don't get this at all....
2007-08-22 22:02:38
431.   51cq24
427 are you parodying yourself?
2007-08-22 22:02:48
432.   bobtaco
Someone poke Joe with a stick.
2007-08-22 22:02:52
433.   yankz
Yo Goobie, how bout dem Eaglez!! LOLLLL
2007-08-22 22:03:07
434.   JeremyM
425 Apparently, from what I've read, the playoffs won't be counted by the Yanks as part of his innings cap, which really doesn't make much sense. But I'm not complaining.
2007-08-22 22:03:11
435.   Mattpat11
430 Probably doesn't trust Worthless with a 7 run lead.

I don't.

2007-08-22 22:03:23
436.   Zack
Why, again, is Mo pitching???
2007-08-22 22:03:25
437.   weeping for brunnhilde
:)

No, but it sounds like it, doesn't it?

2007-08-22 22:04:56
438.   Zack
This is absurd. Even with the day off tomorrow, Mo could use the rest, no? Isn't this why Farns is still on the team, b/c he excels here?? I think Joe didn't realize that the Yanks scored all those runs and b/c Joba was in, figured it was still a save situation, so therefore went to Mo...
2007-08-22 22:06:04
439.   51cq24
honestly, michael kay does nothing well. he doesn't know a lot of baseball, he has a bad voice, he has bad pronunciation (especially of the word "fifth"), he isn't ever funny. how has he kept a job with this team for 10+ years?
2007-08-22 22:06:44
440.   Mattpat11
438 Is that why Worthless is on the team?

I've been trying to figure that out for two years.

2007-08-22 22:06:55
441.   JeremyM
I think Joe saw Texas score 30 and thought, well, if it happened to Baltimore, it can happen to us.
2007-08-22 22:07:34
442.   Mike T
Hey guys, how about fielding a ball.
2007-08-22 22:08:46
443.   Benjamin Kabak
This Rivera guy's pretty good, but he's not Joba.
2007-08-22 22:09:18
445.   3rd gen yankee fan
NEED SLEEP

HURRY UP

2007-08-22 22:09:28
446.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
439 I used to like Kay until I realized he still shills for Steinbrenner. He's also wayy better than the guys in Boston or Chicago...
2007-08-22 22:09:37
447.   Benjamin Kabak
Exactly why did Betemit cut that off? Kendrick was out by a lot.
2007-08-22 22:09:43
448.   weeping for brunnhilde
I can live with this.

This is vintage bad Mo.

Cheap hits.

2007-08-22 22:09:50
449.   yankz
Nothing hit well. I hate the Angels.
2007-08-22 22:09:56
450.   Mattpat11
Mo gave up a run.

Is there now any doubt that Worthless would have blown the game?

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2007-08-22 22:10:10
451.   Zack
Sigh,why is Mo pitching again?
2007-08-22 22:10:34
452.   51cq24
jerry remy is definitely better than michael kay
2007-08-22 22:10:39
453.   bobtaco
439 and he has a radio show, right?
2007-08-22 22:10:56
454.   Mattpat11
439 And he can't read outfielders. Which drives me nuts.
2007-08-22 22:11:03
455.   Raf
434 Hey, I don't mind at all. Wonder if they will still follow the "Joba Rules." After last year with Wang, I think they may.
2007-08-22 22:12:11
456.   yankz
Those were two of the most beautiful cutters I've seen in a long time.
2007-08-22 22:12:20
457.   thelarmis
mo seems to be starting off every batter w/ a ball. not cool. get a DP and get outta southern cali...
2007-08-22 22:12:50
458.   Mike T
This isn't going well. Just get two more fuckin' outs, will ya.
2007-08-22 22:12:58
459.   yankz
You KNOW that's a good cutter.
2007-08-22 22:13:00
460.   monkeypants
If Mo is in just to get work (not too bad of an idea before an off day), then he should be on a strict pitch count. He doesn't NEED to finish this game.

Now, for some heresy. If the Yankees make the playoffs, and you were manager, would you consider using Joba as your primary closer (using Mo on his rest day)?

2007-08-22 22:13:22
461.   monkeypants
Why is that not a strikeout? He swung, right?
2007-08-22 22:13:24
462.   weeping for brunnhilde
Isn't that a swing, though, if you swing?
2007-08-22 22:13:30
463.   Max
447 When people rail about the Angels and playing in their stadium, stuff like Gary Matthews' "hit" and that inexplicable cutoff by Betemit are prime examples of what give Yankee fans nightmares. Cheap hits and defensive brain farts galore -- I guess that's what makes the Halos "scrappy".

What the hell, Mo? Get this done.

2007-08-22 22:13:54
464.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ah, good.

It is a swing.

2007-08-22 22:14:15
465.   Mattpat11
END THIS
2007-08-22 22:14:29
466.   bobtaco
throw him another one Mo
2007-08-22 22:14:34
467.   51cq24
isnt it a foul off the hand?
2007-08-22 22:15:00
468.   Vandelay Industries
I know it's blasphemy, but if you did have a 21 year old Roger Clemens in your pen, and you also had Mo. If you are Joe Torre, at what point do you actually use Roger to close out a game, in the post season? I know I'll take retribution for this, but I'd say JOba is the best arm in our pen, until he proves otherwise.

It is a great problem to have, that's for sure. But if it's game seven and Manny and Ortiz are coming up, I want Joba out there as of today.

2007-08-22 22:15:27
469.   yankz
Oh my god, just end it!
2007-08-22 22:15:30
470.   thelarmis
24 pitches, still 1 out. : ~
2007-08-22 22:15:31
471.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
452 Can't stand Jerry Remy's Bahhhhhstun accent though....

460 If it continues like this I'd think even Mariano would agree that Joba should come in at the fireman moments...

2007-08-22 22:15:35
472.   51cq24
460 if you're considering that for real, does that mean you don't re-sign mo?
2007-08-22 22:15:50
473.   Knuckles
On what dark, frozen planet is Chone Figgins an "MVP candidate"??!?!?!?!?!
2007-08-22 22:15:59
474.   thelarmis
end this quick, mo.
2007-08-22 22:16:31
475.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
452 Can't stand Jerry Remy's Bahhhhhstun accent though....

460 If it continues like this I'd think even Mariano would agree that Joba should come in at the fireman moments...

2007-08-22 22:16:32
476.   Mattpat11
452 I don't listen to much Remy. Does he consider any ball hit into the air a homerun?

If Not, he's better than Kay.

2007-08-22 22:16:46
477.   51cq24
you gotta go to mo, i can't believe any of you are even serious about this
2007-08-22 22:16:52
478.   weeping for brunnhilde
Yay!!!

Nice win, Team!

Andy's a golden god.

2007-08-22 22:17:02
479.   williamnyy23
Mo is going to wind up throwing 20-30 pitches in a 7 run game! I wouldn't be suprised if this outing manifests itself over the weekend. Viz yesterday and now Mo today...it's incredible how Torre manages ot burn out the bullpen in blowouts.
2007-08-22 22:17:05
480.   Vandelay Industries
472 Hell no. If they don't give Mo a three year deal, I'll scream!
2007-08-22 22:17:05
481.   yankz
Were the first words out of this douche's mouth "The Angels win the series"?
2007-08-22 22:17:27
482.   3rd gen yankee fan
Yay. gnite.
2007-08-22 22:17:34
483.   Zack
Don't worry, on the small chance the Yanks make the playoffs 1) Mo will be fine by then, this happens every year at this time, and 2) Mo will be the last of our problems...

There we go Mo! Big win tonight Andy!

2007-08-22 22:17:48
484.   thelarmis
sweet! see you all in detroit. travel safely! ; )
2007-08-22 22:18:36
485.   yankz
483 3) They'll be facing LAA...
2007-08-22 22:18:54
486.   Mattpat11
See everyone next time.
2007-08-22 22:19:25
487.   thelarmis
483 i think there's a slightly larger than "small" chance we make the playoffs. it's not a certainty, but i feel pretty good about it. let's check back 1 week from right now - after detroit and boston - and see how we're faring...

Thanks, Andy! : )

2007-08-22 22:19:41
488.   51cq24
does yes have a 4' tall cameraman?
2007-08-22 22:19:53
489.   monkeypants
472 Not necessarily. Joba should start if he can, no debate about that in my mind. Mo was a failed starter, while Joba could be a very special starter. His use in the BP is only a temporary condition.

Whether or not to resign Mo is a question that has to be be determined on its merits. I suspect there is still a lot of life left in his arm, even if his role in the next year or two changes. But IF he is no longer an elite closer (and I'm not saying that's the case), then how much do you pay--and for how many years--to keep him?

2007-08-22 22:22:28
490.   51cq24
489 you give him what he wants until he retires, unless you want the team to be cursed for 100 years for letting him go
2007-08-22 22:22:32
491.   Vandelay Industries
On the post game here in LA, Jorge says he never wants to play for anyone but Joe Torre....
2007-08-22 22:23:17
492.   51cq24
i guess we need a new catcher next year
2007-08-22 22:23:53
493.   Mattpat11
Kevin Long looks like Ron Villone
2007-08-22 22:24:47
494.   monkeypants
477 483 We can rationalize all we want, but Mo just has not been as good this year. His HR, H, and HBP rates are all up. Some of that inflated ERA is exaggerated because of his small number of innings. But there is a reason his ERA is so much higher this year, and it's not all bad luck.
2007-08-22 22:24:48
495.   Mattpat11
492 I believe it was Newsday, that, after camp broke in April, listed Wil Nieves as the "heir apparent to Jorge Posada"
2007-08-22 22:25:45
496.   thelarmis
490 i 2nd that - give him a blank check and go from there...

jorgie, mo, alex and abreu will most likely all be back next year. if we make the playoffs, mr. torre might be back, too. could be worse, i guess...

2007-08-22 22:26:47
497.   monkeypants
490 Yeah, your right. When the Yankees unceremoniously dumped an aging Babe Ruth, they were cursed for a century. You would think they'd learn about not signing aging players and courting curses.
2007-08-22 22:28:53
498.   51cq24
497 trust me, i interned at the cursewriting office at mlb one summer.

if you have a 1 run lead in the bottom of the 9th of an elimination game, you would give the ball to a rookie over mo?

2007-08-22 22:31:28
499.   Vandelay Industries
Dudes! WE have the cash, and we owe him no matter what. You sign him to a huge contract and hope for the best. There is no excuse the Yankees can give to not sign him. IF he faulters, what? You don't think he's still be better than any other reliever we will have. This discussion is silly. Maybe Joba closes if he doesn't perform as a starter. Maybe Joba closes a game or two in the PS if we make it. But either way, you sign Mariano Rivera for Christ's sake!
2007-08-22 22:31:37
500.   51cq24
a player can only cause 1 team to be cursed, and i believe that was always the rule
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2007-08-22 22:32:36
501.   monkeypants
498 I would have given the ball to Mo (basically a rookie) over Wettland (the veteran) in 1996. This year, I would give the ball to the pitcher who gave me the best chance to win. Right now, I question whether that is Joba or Mo--and it's the first time I've had to debate the matter in a decade. Sooner or later time wins.
2007-08-22 22:33:12
502.   yankz
500 Hell no- A-rod curses every uniform he puts on- that's why they don't win championships.
2007-08-22 22:34:18
503.   Vandelay Industries
498 If Joba continues like this, then yes, yes I do. If Mo begins throwing his high four seamer more, then no, I don't. Mo is fine, his high fastball has just went the way of Triceratops and I don't get it.
2007-08-22 22:34:49
504.   yankz
Also, I hope Joba tones down his K-Douche dance off the mound routine.
2007-08-22 22:35:26
505.   yankz
503 "his high fastball has just went the way of Triceratops"

You mean it never existed?!

2007-08-22 22:35:44
506.   monkeypants
499 Why is it silly? Why does a team owe a highly paid athlete anything? Did they owe Mattingly (my favorite player when I was younger)? Did they owe Bernie (again my favorite player at the time)?

If Mo asks for a 5 year contract at 10 million/year, the team should sign him no matter what? The team is only now recovering from all the overly long contracts that were doled out in the past. Thank goodness you guys don't run the club.

2007-08-22 22:36:44
507.   Vandelay Industries
502 I wouldn't be surprised if he and Boras went house hunting in Newport and Laguna during this series. If he bolts, this is where he'll end up.
2007-08-22 22:37:12
508.   weeping for brunnhilde
490 Agreed.
2007-08-22 22:37:45
509.   Vandelay Industries
506 Yes, yes you do. Because whether he closes or not, he'll still be better than anyone else we have in our bullpen.
2007-08-22 22:38:22
510.   weeping for brunnhilde
I like that Joba has the decency to turn his back on the hitter and do his fist-pumping to the outfield.
2007-08-22 22:40:32
511.   weeping for brunnhilde
Cashman did let Andy walk, lest we forget.
2007-08-22 22:43:00
512.   Mike T
No Sheffield in the Yankees' upcoming series against the Tigers.
2007-08-22 22:43:18
513.   Vandelay Industries
Kevin Kennedy does make sense. Arod can get a seven or eight year deal at age 32, while he might not get more than a three year deal at age 35 when his current contract expires, and for less money per year. It does make practical sense, most notably because he is coming off a likely 50 HR, 140+ RBI MVP campaign. The Yankees will have to extend his contract another five years at 28 mil. per+ to keep him. As a fan, I hope he stays. But if I'm his lawyer, I advise him to opt out. There is no guarantee that MLB revenues will be at this level three years from now. I hate the fact that it makes the most sense for him to opt out.
2007-08-22 22:44:02
514.   weeping for brunnhilde
"Jorgie called a great game," reports Andy.

Hear that, Mike?

2007-08-22 22:45:05
515.   weeping for brunnhilde
"I don't know if it was a must-win...I'm not feeling the desperation everyone else is." Andy on pitching what Waldman called a "must-win."
2007-08-22 22:45:58
516.   weeping for brunnhilde
"I can get double plays other ways, also."
2007-08-22 22:46:44
517.   Vandelay Industries
515 She's just doing her job. The more hype, the more viewers.
2007-08-22 22:47:25
518.   51cq24
bernie was my favorite player of all time. the difference is that he was clearly at the end of his career. mo may not be as dominant as he was a year ago, but that was still just a year ago. he is also the best closer i've ever seen, so comparing this to the situation in 96 is a little misleading. wetteland hadn't earned the ball in the 9th inning the way that mo has, and that i think we do owe him. as far as the contract, we are recovering from those deals because we were stuck with those players, not because of money. are we ever going to feel like we're stuck with mo?
2007-08-22 22:50:19
519.   51cq24
plus, to see him close for another team is torture that i'm willing to avoid by overpaying dramatically.
2007-08-22 22:50:49
520.   Vandelay Industries
518 And part of me is actually not bothered that it has cost the Yankees 20 mil. per to see Giambi show what a stand up guy he is. He may have done wrong, but he's the only one admitting it.
2007-08-22 22:55:26
521.   51cq24
well i think it's admirable that he has admitted instead of denying, but for that much money for so long i'd like more than a stand-up guy. especially considering all the time he's had to be sitting down.
2007-08-22 22:56:29
522.   monkeypants
518 We might, who knows. I guess I am just one of those assholes who doesn't believe that handsomely rewarded players are "owed" very large contracts. Retired numbers, plaques, speeches, honors, Yankeeographies--sure. But baseball contracts should be about creating the best roster, not rewarding players for past successes.

Now Vandalay 509 makes a good point, that closer or not Mo would be the best (or in that case, second best) option out of the BP. But even so, there is a limit. How much is an elite set up man worth?

I'm not saying that Mo is suddenly worthless (or Worthless, to invoke Mattpat). I also don't really believe that he has entirely lost it. But he is not young, and he is demonstably and objectively having his worst season as a reliever--possibly his worst season ever if we discount his rookie year as a part time starter.

If he demanded more than two or three years, especially at 10 million, I would probably let him walk. Frankly, first base for sure, and possibly third base, are bigger concerns next year than closer.

2007-08-22 23:00:22
523.   weeping for brunnhilde
522 And I remember how deeply concerned I was way back in, what was it, 2000?--his ERA ballooned to 2.85 and I thought the world was collapsing.
2007-08-22 23:02:27
524.   SF Yanks
513 One thing you have to think about is how bad ARod wants a ring. You know he wants one BADLY to complete his legacy. Where's the best chance for him to get a ring? Yanks? Probably. SF? No. Anaheim? Doubt it. My guess is he'll stay.
2007-08-22 23:03:31
525.   51cq24
522 first of all, i agree with you that no player is owed anything. but that's not what i'm talking about. you're talking about this being his worst year since his rookie year. yeah, demonstrably. that's because it's the only off year he's had since then.

like i said, we are not likely to ever feel stuck with him. for one thing, as you cite, he doesn't always have to be the closer to have value. but the bigger thing is that money is not the issue here. the yankees can afford to make mistakes by giving too much money. that being the case, can they afford to make the mistake of not giving enough money? if he wants 4 years and the yankees are only willing to give 3, are you still going to think it was the right move if he saves 40 games for the tigers next year?

2007-08-22 23:04:30
526.   monkeypants
523 You mean when he was 37 y.o.? Oh wait, he was 30 y.o. that season.
2007-08-22 23:09:08
527.   weeping for brunnhilde
526 I know.

I wonder when he's going to start using that changeup we saw in spring training.

There have been plenty of occasions this year he might have been well-served by it.

2007-08-22 23:09:14
528.   Vandelay Industries
522 I don't think there is such a thing as a long term elite set-up man. There are some great releivers, but most eventually end up as closers, or are thrust into the rotation. Given today's game, I would classify all who do not close as middle relievers, and because starters are treated with kid gloves, middle relievers have more value than they did at one time. That being said, I would argue that a very effective middle reliever could easily be worth ten million for 80+ appearances. I believe its bad for baseball. I believe treating starters with kid gloves is bad for baseball. However, this is the state of affairs, so if a team is serious about winning, spending 40% of your payroll on starters and hoping to patch together a bullpen that will likely see 80% of the innings that the starters will, with duct tape is irresponsible. If Joba ultimately wound up as the Yankees closer, I would gladly pay Mo ten million to pitch the eighth. If Gagne adjusts to his role, I think the Red Sox should pay him near that to pitch the seventh and eigth. It is what the game has become. Teams with bad bullpens don't win championships, and rarely make the playoffs. It is just the way thngs are. Mediocre pitchers determine quite a bit of a teams chances of success, so if you can have two top-tier closers ending games for you, you will likely find good results come September.
2007-08-22 23:10:33
529.   51cq24
it might be that this is the beginning of a real decline and there's no coming back. maybe it's inconvenient for the yankees that it happens in a contract year. but are you willing to take that chance, when at worst you'd have a very good reliever on your team if you sign him for 4 years? he isn't going to ask for 5, i think he probably only wants 3. but are you really going to let the best closer of all time and arguably the most valuable player of your team for the last 10+ years walk because of 1 year?
2007-08-22 23:11:53
530.   Vandelay Industries
524 Not to be contrary, but the Angels absolutely give Arod a good chance at a ring. So does Boston, Detroit, or the Cubs. Hate the Angels if you wish, but they are very good ball club, with young pitching.
2007-08-22 23:15:07
531.   monkeypants
525 It's a tough call, you're right, when a great player reaches the end of his career. Should the team err one season to many or one season too late? He might save 40 games for the Tigers, or he might turn into Dennis Eckersely (who continued to pile up saves--a supremely overrated stat--despite being pretty for his last four or five years).

Am I willing to think it was the right move if he goes on to have one or two great years elesewhere? yep. I have said all along that trading Sheff was the right move at the time--I said it when he started cold, I said it when he slugged the hell out of the ball, and I said it when he went down for the season.

As for the Yankees being able to afford mistakes--true. but that doesn't mean they should try to make mistakes. And, the budget is not unlimited, despite what some believe. If push came to shove, I would rather the 10 million/year be used to resign A-Rod, who is right now the far better gamble (as all signings are gambles).

In any case, this off season whould be interesting and provide plenty of fodder for future debates!

2007-08-22 23:18:32
532.   Vandelay Industries
524 And with the Angels you get to live in Laguna Beach, and avoid the NY Media. I live up in LA now, and I'll tell you, there aren't very many places in this country better to live if you're loaded--which I of course am not-- than Newport Beach or Laguna. Proximity to LA and all that it offers. I prefer NYC, but I think this area suits his personality more so than NYC. He wouldn't be booed by the fans and expected to turn water into wine each night in Anaheim. If Arod has proven one thing, it is that he isn't a media whore. He fumbles every time he gets the ball in that arena. He's the anti-Reggie.
2007-08-22 23:19:20
533.   monkeypants
528 Nobody but nobody is paying 10 million/year for a set-up man. The Yankees have one of the highest paid set-up men in the league (Farnsworth), who is making half that. I also doubt that Mo is going back to the 80 appearance days, so his value as a (very expensive) set up man would be further compromised.
2007-08-22 23:21:53
534.   51cq24
531 trading sheff was definitely the right move. he isn't mo, for one thing. for another, it was a trade.

and this wouldn't be trying to make a mistake, it would be trying to keep one of your best players of the last few years, and trying to avoid having him hurt you with another team. i don't think it's a question of whether the money can be used to sign mo or arod. i think there is plenty for both, and that the arod situation is totally separate. considering that the yankees really don't have that many needs, plus the fact that they now have so many players making the minimum, i think you give the money to someone who has been so great for so many years, even if he's getting old and hasn't been quite as good this year. maybe it will turn out to be a mistake, but not nearly the mistake that letting him go would be if he is still good.

2007-08-22 23:24:26
535.   51cq24
532 he obviously doesn't want to play for the angels. if he did, he definitely wouldn't play so well against them.

goodnight.

2007-08-22 23:25:14
536.   Vandelay Industries
531 And remember, not only will be out from under Giambi's contract after next season, the teams likely to offre Mo the money, Boston, Anaheim, Seattle, Detroit for example, with the exception of Detroit, already have closers, and are unlikely to take my advice and sign him anyway, and Mo wouldn't want to set up.
2007-08-22 23:28:15
537.   monkeypants
536 "...and Mo wouldn't want to set up."

Then THAT's a problem, because the whole debate seems to revolve around whether or not he is worth signing for a longish term deal even if no longer an elite closer.

2007-08-22 23:34:40
538.   Vandelay Industries
537 I think he would eventually do it willingly for the Yankees.
2007-08-22 23:56:54
539.   SF Yanks
530 Yeah, but his best chance is with the Yanks, and I can't see him passing that up.

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