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It's Not the Size of the Moose in the Fight . . .
2007-07-25 12:50
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

The Yankees need to win just one of these final two games in Kansas City to stay on target by taking three of four from the Royals. Unfortunately, they'll have to do it with the weak back end of their rotation. Mike Mussina, who takes the ball tonight, is better than the disaster outing he had last time out in the series opener against Tampa Bay, but not by as much as he'd like to think. He has a 4.97 ERA on the season and a 4.71 ERA over his last five starts. He's very clearly the Yankees' number-four starter at this point, and his delicate diva act is getting old fast (and I say that as someone who finds his post-game churlishness hilarious and oddly endearing).

Before his last start, I reported that Mussina had a 3.40 ERA and a 1.20 WHIP in 11 starts with Wil Nieves behind the plate and a 9.00 ERA and 1.89 WHIP in four starts with Jorge Posada behind the plate (one of them being his injury-shortened outing in Minneapolis in April). That night, Moose was caught by Posada and gave up six runs in 4 2/3 innings pushing his Posada ERA to 9.53 and WHIP to 1.94. Well, Nieves is gone and Posada will be behind the plate again tonight, so Moose had better crank up his way back machine and remember how he turned in Cy Young-worthy seasons pitching to Posada in 2001 (3.15 ERA, 1.07 WHIP) and 2003 (3.40 ERA, 1.08 WHIP). Or, better yet, remember that it was Posada's advice on his changeup that stimulated a last gasp of brilliance early last season (2.42 ERA, 0.95 WHIP through the end of May (he might want to thank Jorge for his current two-year, $23-million deal while he's at it).

Whatever it takes, it sure would be nice not to have to rely on Kei Igawa's high-wire act for that third win of the series. Further complicating the issue, however, is the fact that the Yankees will face the Royals best pitcher tonight, the maybe-not-so-overpaid-after-all Gil "Ga!" Meche. Meche has gone 7-6 with a 3.63 ERA (130 ERA+) for a team playing .434 baseball, and very much deserved his All-Star selection. Then again, Meche has been coming back to earth over the last two months, posting a 4.50 ERA in June and July and a 5.40 ERA in his last six starts (yet somehow going 3-0 over that same six-start stretch). Still, Meche held the major leagues' best offense to two runs on five hits and no walks over seven innings in his last outing, which took place in Detroit as the Royals romped to a 10-2 win over the Central Division leaders, and in his only outing against the Yankees last year held the Bombers to two runs on five hits and a walk in six innings while striking out six.

Things have been easy for the Yankees over the last five games. That will likely change tonight. Here's hoping they can reignite that fighting spirit they displayed in last week's Toronto series.

Comments (592)
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2007-07-25 14:09:05
1.   aronneil
I both have great respect for and groan deeply at your Gil "Ga!" Meche reference.

I'm going to spend the rest of the day trying to come up with an "Utnapishtim" joke.

2007-07-25 14:15:45
2.   JL25and3
The problem is, in Kansas City the lights are oriented at a slightly different angle than Mussina is accustomed to. If there's a lady in a green t-shirt sitting directly behind home plate he might be OK, but not if she's sitting next to a guy wearing a George Brett replica jersey.

Wait a minute, it's Wednesday, not Tuesday. That means she has to be wearing a blue shirt. And the grass had better be mowed from right to left.

The most important factor is the wind. Mussina is but mad north-northwest; when the wind is southerly, he knows a hawk from a handsaw.

2007-07-25 14:16:58
3.   JL25and3
1 My sister came up with that one three or four years ago. I was most proud of her.
2007-07-25 14:19:07
4.   yankz
What's the over/under on how many posts until this turns into another "debate" about the value of statistics and Randy Johnson? I say 28.

GIVE EM HELL, BOYS

2007-07-25 14:23:24
5.   Zack
4 Well, since you brought it up already, I saw its too late, and, continuing my theme from the last thread: it doesnt matter, as all threads are always already implicated in said discussion-Ergo, the number you seek cannot be articulated, as it exceeds the limits of the system...
2007-07-25 14:24:01
6.   Zack
And on another note, I can remember seeing Meche twice a few years ago where he totally dominate the Yanks, it made for two really really crappy games
2007-07-25 14:26:06
7.   tommyl
6 Just remember, I was at last Friday's game. Now that was crappy.
2007-07-25 14:27:28
8.   tommyl
2 Also, I hear this morning's crossword threw him off a bit.
2007-07-25 14:28:51
9.   rsmith51
When is Molina catching? I figured that he would catch in the blowout of be Moose's personal catcher. Any info on this, Cliff?
2007-07-25 14:30:10
10.   yankz
Bobby Abreowulf?
2007-07-25 14:33:56
11.   Cliff Corcoran
9 He'll catch Igawa tomorrow from what I understand.
2007-07-25 14:34:13
12.   Cliff Corcoran
10 Scott Baiowulf?
2007-07-25 14:40:59
13.   Bama Yankee
12 Nice.
2007-07-25 14:41:19
14.   JL25and3
10 Ooh, I like that. Now we've got a team, I'm just not sure what to call it. I suppose it could just be the Ancient Epic team, as long as we agree that simply hitting a Homer isn't enough to qualify.
2007-07-25 14:42:56
15.   Shaun P
5 Is that Meta-physical Philosophy, or Meta-philosophical Physics? I have a hard time telling them apart; I always forget which one includes Schrödinger's GM.

You all know that one, don't you? No? OK, I'll explain it then. When Brian Cashman is trapped in a box, and he'll die if he doesn't make a good trade getting rid of Randy Johnson, depending on who looks in the box when, Cashman is either alive, or dead, or both, or neither.

Don't think about it too much though, it makes one's head hurt.

2007-07-25 14:47:53
16.   JL25and3
7 I'll claim the Chad Gaudin game as the most boring game in the history of the world. A man standing next to the dugout, reciting the Epic of Gilgamesh in the original Akkadian, would have been far more interesting than anything that happened in the game. In fact, if he'd just been sitting there reading the book to himself, it still would have been more interesting.
2007-07-25 14:50:35
17.   JL25and3
5 So...you're telling me that what you've learned in grad school is nothing, which is in fact something in its nothingness, since nothingness cannot exist unless there is also somethingness?
2007-07-25 14:54:04
18.   Jim Dean
4 And here I was helping you reach the Excel skills of a sixth grader in the last thread.
2007-07-25 14:55:12
19.   tommyl
16 Not boring, physically painful last Friday's game was. And there I go talking like Yoda.
2007-07-25 14:55:53
20.   Jim Dean
Back to the Damon-Matsui swaperoo.

Damon LF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Phillips 1B
Cabrera CF

2007-07-25 15:05:10
21.   RIYank
For anyone who's read Philip Roth's The Great American Novel, the 'Gil Ga Meche' joke is just impossible not to think about.

And everyone should. Read it.

2007-07-25 15:07:43
22.   Bama Yankee
12 Jarrod SaltalaJoanieLovesChachia?
2007-07-25 15:14:16
23.   Mattpat11
Meche has to come back to earth at some point. Why not tonight?

And I have a good feeling about Mussina. Somewhere in there, the Hall of Fame pitcher still lurks. Why not tonight?

2007-07-25 15:20:26
24.   Marcus
22 Careful, you're treading in Chris Berman territory on that one...
2007-07-25 15:27:21
25.   Bama Yankee
24 Good point. Forget I mentioned it...
Is there a Back, Back, Back, Back button I could use to erase that post?
2007-07-25 15:32:46
26.   Cliff Corcoran
22 Jarron Saltyralphmacchio
2007-07-25 15:34:08
27.   Cliff Corcoran
26 damnit! Jarrod, of course.
2007-07-25 15:35:01
28.   yankz
18 I didn't say you'd start it.

PS Not everyone's out to get you. You don't have to be a condescending douche all the time.

PPS Thanks, I'll try that now.

2007-07-25 15:35:38
29.   yankz
25 Ha!
2007-07-25 16:10:48
30.   randym77
I suppose this means Shelley's headed back to Scranton...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2948878

2007-07-25 16:16:33
31.   yankz
Damon in LF and leading off, Matsui at DH tonight.
2007-07-25 16:20:33
32.   Cliff Corcoran
30 Eventually, sure, but so what?
2007-07-25 16:28:22
33.   rilkefan
32 Is "eventually" next week? Is Giambi in the short run a better option for the team, esp. given his handedness?
2007-07-25 16:34:41
34.   Cliff Corcoran
You can't honestly think that Shelley Duncan is a better DH option than a healthy Jason Giambi.
2007-07-25 16:36:58
35.   yankz
Playing Damon in LF/DH and letting Melky patrol CF was a huge step for Joe. I don't see him benching Damon when Melky gets back though, which would be a damn shame.
2007-07-25 16:44:53
36.   Jim Dean
34 Dude hit 3 homeruns in his first 12 at-bats!
2007-07-25 16:46:15
37.   yankz
Er, 35 should read when Giambi gets back, but you already got that.
2007-07-25 16:52:28
38.   Marcus
36 So are you saying it's up for debate, or that Duncan is a better option than Giambi?
2007-07-25 16:54:38
39.   JL25and3
I think it's extremely possible that the Yankees have gotten just about as much out of Shelley Duncan as they're going to get.
2007-07-25 16:57:20
40.   Jim Dean
38 Isn't it obvious?

Shel-ly Dun-can. [clap clap, clap-clap-clap]
Shel-ly Dun-can. [clap clap, clap-clap-clap]
Shel-ly Dun-can. [clap clap, clap-clap-clap]

2007-07-25 16:58:19
41.   rilkefan
34 "a healthy Jason Giambi"

Do you have some special information showing that that's what we're getting in the short term I noted?

2007-07-25 16:59:24
42.   Marcus
40 It's very clear now.
2007-07-25 16:59:46
43.   JL25and3
35 I wouldn't be so sure; I don't see him benching Melky at this point. Seriously, and I know it's Joe. I think Melky has picked up some real warriortude points, and Damon's appearances have been cut a little.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Joe go into one of his largely random, quasi-platoon systems. That's where he rotates people in and out for a week or three at a time, with no apparent rhyme or reason.

2007-07-25 17:02:20
44.   JL25and3
41 A mostly healthy Giambi is still a better option than Shelley Duncan, unless the "short term" is last weekend.
2007-07-25 17:02:33
45.   Cliff Corcoran
41 There's no real reason to rush him back if he's not going to hit, so I trust that if he's back, he's healthy. All reports have been good and Giambi seems impressed by his own progress.
2007-07-25 17:08:35
46.   Schteeve
I think Jason Giambi can put up a .380 OBP with his eyes closed, on account of his baseball repelling exoskeleton.
2007-07-25 17:09:39
47.   Mattpat11
Joe benched Bernie Williams for Melky last year. I can see him making time for him this year
2007-07-25 17:09:51
48.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Joba w/ 9 k's thru 4 in his 1st Scranton start.
2007-07-25 17:14:12
49.   Schteeve
If Meche loses the plate, he tends to lose it big time. That's the one thing I like in this matchup.
2007-07-25 17:14:22
50.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Scranton's in a rain delay now, so I suspect Joba's done for the night since he threw 74 pitches -- 4 hits and one walk to go along with the 9 ks.
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2007-07-25 17:15:20
51.   Cliff Corcoran
46 Indeed.
2007-07-25 17:15:22
52.   rilkefan
45 "There's no real reason to rush him back if he's not going to hit"

Hmm, not sure I trust the Yankees to act entirely rationally or Giambi to correctly assess his own progress.

2007-07-25 17:16:52
53.   Hocakes
C'mon, boys, make that Meche contract look bad!
2007-07-25 17:17:02
54.   Mattpat11
49 Like I said earlier, the thing I like about this is Meche has historically been no good, and this season should adjust soon.
2007-07-25 17:21:24
55.   rbj
Nerts.
2007-07-25 17:22:04
56.   Mattpat11
Well here we go
2007-07-25 17:22:05
57.   Schteeve
I have this fantasy that when Meche got his ridiculous contract, he felt guilty so he worked on his approach so that he wouldn't let his employer down.
2007-07-25 17:24:07
58.   Schteeve
Holy Jesus, Mussina's BAA is higher than Farnsworth's!!
2007-07-25 17:24:24
59.   Mattpat11
That 86 mph fastball looks so hittable.
2007-07-25 17:25:22
60.   RIYank
So is his fastball over? I have no idea. Somebody tell.
2007-07-25 17:26:18
61.   SpoonG91
58 That's no easy task.
2007-07-25 17:26:29
62.   Zack
Gosh I really fear the thought of Joe Torre abusing Joba in the BP...

15 Nice...Meta-physical Philosophy of course, as Schrödinger's GM is inherently impossible because of the infinite potential of available better prospects, implying that no matter the situation or variables, the outcome is always already the death of Cashman--aka, it doesn't matter, the trade, by definition, will always be worse than the trade-should-have-been-made.
17 Duh...
16 I actually think a man standing next to the dugout reciting the Epic would be quite fascinating, if only for the pure randomness of it, and the fact that no one around him would probably have any idea of what was occurring...

2007-07-25 17:26:48
63.   SpoonG91
Curve en fuego
2007-07-25 17:26:53
64.   RIYank
Well, he certainly has good control in general.
2007-07-25 17:26:55
65.   Mattpat11
Ball one was in the same spot as strike one. I don't particularly think either was a strike, but lets be consistent.
2007-07-25 17:27:15
66.   Schteeve
The curve looks pretty good so far.
2007-07-25 17:28:34
67.   Schteeve
I don't like that Moose is sassin' the ump already.
2007-07-25 17:28:53
68.   weeping for brunnhilde
That 1-1 was a fucking strike.

Fucking ump.

2007-07-25 17:28:59
69.   Mattpat11
Singleton has been surfing BR.com
2007-07-25 17:29:35
70.   RIYank
I think the strike zone is small, for both pitchers.

How are we ever going to trust umpires now that the NBA has screwed everything up? What if someone bet on the 'over' this game?

2007-07-25 17:29:43
71.   yankz
Good grief, Jeter already got a hit? What a machine
2007-07-25 17:30:42
72.   Chyll Will
62 I do that kind of thing around here all the time. Who's fascinated??
2007-07-25 17:31:17
73.   yankz
If what you guys are saying about the strike zone is true, Moose is about to collapse.

70 I wish I could believe that baseball has learned its lesson since Rose, but alas...

2007-07-25 17:31:53
74.   Zack
72 I am. But of course, you're not doing it in yankee stadium at the dugout, which takes away a lot of the impact...
2007-07-25 17:32:24
75.   weeping for brunnhilde
70 I wouldn't know about that. I just walked in, and that was the first pitch I saw.

Just thought I'd flap my yap; the Saranac, you know.

:)

2007-07-25 17:32:48
76.   rbj
70 I always figured that baseball is too tough to fix the over/under.
2007-07-25 17:32:55
77.   SpoonG91
Gil Meche has some serious pitches!!!
2007-07-25 17:32:56
78.   vockins
How much of a Yankee fan am I?

My two and a half year old daughter speaks along with the voiceovers in the Select Dental and StubHub ads.

2007-07-25 17:33:48
79.   weeping for brunnhilde
"I don't think he's ever going to learn the strike zone."

Joe on Robbie.

2007-07-25 17:33:49
80.   yankz
Fear not, Meche has thrown more balls than strikes. Punish him, BB Cano!
2007-07-25 17:35:31
81.   Chyll Will
74 "I would if the price was right..." >;) And what's so un-holy and non-Traditional/Historical about the cyberspace of Banter??
2007-07-25 17:36:01
82.   RIYank
If only he could learn the strike zone. Oh well. He's doomed to have at-bats like that one.
2007-07-25 17:36:41
83.   weeping for brunnhilde
78 That's more an illustration of your being a fan of commercials!

Sorry, I'm an enemy of commercials.

:)

Nice hitting, Robbie!

2007-07-25 17:37:41
84.   51cq24
70 purposely or not, umpires are influencing the game with wrong calls every day. its time to move on.
2007-07-25 17:38:20
85.   RIYank
Leche!
2007-07-25 17:38:20
86.   weeping for brunnhilde
I think Melky's performance is going to go through the roof when his body fills out.
2007-07-25 17:38:36
87.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ha!

How 'bout that?

Leche!

2007-07-25 17:38:47
88.   rbj
Melky!
C'mon guys I want 10+ runs tonight
2007-07-25 17:38:54
89.   Mattpat11
That's what I like.

I won't like it when Moose gives up three in the bottom half, but for now I'm pleased.

2007-07-25 17:39:06
90.   Schteeve
Melky!
2007-07-25 17:39:55
91.   weeping for brunnhilde
89 Knock on wood, Mattpat!

Knock on wood!

2007-07-25 17:40:43
92.   RIYank
89 Geez, you know how long I've been waiting to find out what you like? And it's this simple. I feel so stupid.
2007-07-25 17:41:17
93.   Mattpat11
91 Will wicker do?
2007-07-25 17:42:11
94.   Chyll Will
84 Right, and it's because of that that HRs are important in order to eliminate any doubt about how the play is scored. But for the benefit of bredren who I know do not believe in the effectiveness of such plays, I suggest a homer counts only when it's a line drive over center field. Those are harder to do, and perhaps more impressive? >;)
2007-07-25 17:42:21
95.   Mattpat11
92 People always claim I'm too negative. So I'm showing what i like.
2007-07-25 17:42:30
96.   Schteeve
Who am I supposed to be rooting for in the sox indians game?
2007-07-25 17:42:37
97.   JL25and3
73 I thought Rose was kind of like Watergate: proof that the system works.

70 There have been many, many more baseball umps presiding over many, many more games than in the NBA. And in the 87 years since that racist bastard Judge Landis took over, there've been...zero scandals involving umpires. That's a decent record.

Could there be one? I guess so, but there probably isn't. I certainly don't think we suddenly have to worry about the game's integrity over this.

2007-07-25 17:43:35
98.   JL25and3
84 As long as it's not purposely, I like it better this way.
2007-07-25 17:43:43
99.   rilkefan
The personal ad through which I met my wife noted my hate of wicker.
2007-07-25 17:43:51
100.   Mattpat11
97 There are so many other things to worry about the games integrity over.
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2007-07-25 17:43:56
101.   JL25and3
96 The Indians. Without question.
2007-07-25 17:44:36
102.   JL25and3
100 Yeah, Sheffield's always way higher on my list.
2007-07-25 17:44:49
103.   Schteeve
94 I think this is how it should work:

HR to the opposite field that are the result of a swing with no upper cut = 3 runs each.

HR to centerfield with a moderate uppercut = 1 run.

Inside the Park HR to the opposite field = 45 runs

HR to the pull field with a significant uppercut = DFA

2007-07-25 17:45:56
104.   rbj
98 I agree. I like the human element of the game. Instant replay is ok in football, but for me baseball is always a pastoral, relaxing game. I don't want hi-tech invading it.
2007-07-25 17:45:56
105.   RIYank
95 That's all we ask, just let us know.

96 We discussed this at length yesterday. The consensus is that real Yankee fans do not root for Boston, unless it's some special feel-good reason like Lester's comeback.

(However, I do think it's actually better for the Yankees if Boston beats Cleveland.)

2007-07-25 17:45:57
106.   weeping for brunnhilde
93 No!
2007-07-25 17:46:55
107.   weeping for brunnhilde
94 :)
2007-07-25 17:47:26
108.   rbj
105 Only root for Boston when they are sucking and playing Baltimore who's ahead of the Yankees in the standing. Otherwise, I'd rather have the Dodgers win the WS than Boston.
2007-07-25 17:49:06
109.   weeping for brunnhilde
103 Now you're talking, Schteeve, now you're talking.

I knew you'd see reason eventually.

2007-07-25 17:49:08
110.   Mattpat11
I'll always enjoy watching A-Rod play pop-ups, because of all things for an all time great to suck at, thats a strange one.
2007-07-25 17:49:30
111.   51cq24
104 technology has already invaded baseball, so that's a losing battle. why wouldnt it be better to make sure the calls are right? the human element should be with the people playing the game, and as long as wrong calls are made by human umpires the human accomplishments of the players will be diminished.
2007-07-25 17:50:13
112.   weeping for brunnhilde
96 Never root for Boston.

Never.

2007-07-25 17:50:50
113.   51cq24
nice relay throw
2007-07-25 17:51:07
114.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wood, Mattpat, wood!

Find the damned wood!

2007-07-25 17:51:20
115.   RIYank
Saw that coming when the count went 3-1. Good throw, though, so Moose can now pitch out of this jam.
2007-07-25 17:51:48
116.   Chyll Will
103 My guess is you end up DFAing three-quarters of the league, but what do I know? Weeping, do you agree? Sounds like it would make the game a lot more fundamental. Tell me more...
2007-07-25 17:52:09
117.   williamnyy23
Watching Moose is like watching a soap opera.
2007-07-25 17:52:41
118.   Mattpat11
114Found some wood.
2007-07-25 17:52:51
119.   rbj
111 Can't agree with that. And it is purely an emotional response on my part -- the game is played by humans and called by humans. Leave the in game hi-tech aspect to us Banterers.
2007-07-25 17:53:26
120.   Mattpat11
I have no idea what the strikezone is.
2007-07-25 17:54:02
121.   weeping for brunnhilde
118 Just in the knick of time.

Thank you.

2007-07-25 17:54:04
122.   rbj
Man, Moose on the mound is driving me to drink.
2007-07-25 17:54:15
123.   Schteeve
The ump sucks.
2007-07-25 17:54:37
124.   Shaun P
75 weeping, are you drinking Saranac now? I am envious, 'cause I could sure go for one right now. Especially if its the Amber, or a Black and Tan. =)

Well, Moose survived that one.

2007-07-25 17:55:02
125.   Chyll Will
109 Holy crap, I read you right?? >;)
2007-07-25 17:55:28
126.   weeping for brunnhilde
120 You talking about that knuckle curve on the "outside corner?"
2007-07-25 17:56:26
127.   RIYank
122 Now you're talking. Cheers!
124 Bourbon and water, Shaun, is the drink of choice for Moose watchers. Have one on me.
Oh, wait. Maybe it should be Molson's?
2007-07-25 17:56:41
128.   weeping for brunnhilde
124 I am, I am!

Here, let me go to my fridge, I've got a couple more...

You like it with a glass, like a civilized human being or out of the bottle, like a barbarian?

2007-07-25 17:57:18
129.   Mattpat11
126 The outside corner of the first base dugout, perhaps.
2007-07-25 17:57:24
130.   weeping for brunnhilde
124 Not the Amber, btw.

The pale.

2007-07-25 17:58:03
131.   Schteeve
Is it just me or does Pena take forever to get rid of the ball?
2007-07-25 17:58:23
132.   Shaun P
124 I think I'd pass out on a bourbon and water right now - I'm pretty sleep-deprived. =) But thanks.

I get the tie-in, but I'd kill for a Labatt's right now instead of the Molson's.

2007-07-25 17:58:31
133.   RIYank
130 Wait, make up your mind. You're serving in a glass, or in a pail?
2007-07-25 17:58:53
134.   Mattpat11
I think I've figured it out. Fastballs are called balls almost regardless. breaking pitches are strikes as long as they land in Missouri.
2007-07-25 17:59:16
135.   Shaun P
130 Just as good! And unless you have a proper pint glass, I'll take the bottle. ;) (Does that make me a snobbish barbarian?)
2007-07-25 17:59:27
136.   weeping for brunnhilde
All right, we're in business.

Nice hitting, Alex.

2007-07-25 17:59:31
137.   RIYank
I swear both pitchers have decided they have to put the ball in the middle of the zone or they'll be walking guys all day.
2007-07-25 18:00:11
138.   weeping for brunnhilde
133 More like a horse trough.
2007-07-25 18:00:40
139.   Chyll Will
133 I could go for a pail of Yoo-Hoo...
2007-07-25 18:00:41
140.   weeping for brunnhilde
Why does Hideki look at his bat like that, btw?

It's like he wants to make sure it's still there before he swings.

2007-07-25 18:01:32
141.   JL25and3
96 Are you kidding? I think it's heartwarming and inspirational and all that Lester came back. Once he started pitching, I wanted the Indians to kick the crap out of him.
2007-07-25 18:01:43
142.   Mattpat11
That sucked.
2007-07-25 18:02:12
143.   JL25and3
138 I'm getting thirsty. Time for a Saranac pale ale.
2007-07-25 18:02:25
144.   weeping for brunnhilde
135 ha ha hah aha ha !

Touche!

No, I do not have a proper pint glass. A snobbish barbarian indeed.

Oh, Hideki.

2007-07-25 18:04:15
145.   RIYank
A few more mph and Hideki would have had a rbi and probably a man on third <2 out. Oh well.
2007-07-25 18:05:47
146.   Jim Dean
Final line for Joba:

5.0 IP 4 H 0 ER 1 BB 10 K

Wow.

2007-07-25 18:05:56
147.   Mattpat11
Here's a query for you. Can the Yankees, specifically the bullpen and Igawa, make it out the rest of the series without walking Pena?
2007-07-25 18:07:24
148.   tommyl
146 Yeah, 10 Ks, just needs to be a but more efficient, but woah. Please, please do not trade him or Kennedy for Tex.
2007-07-25 18:07:48
149.   RIYank
146 Good, the one bad start was an outlier.
Is that the word of the day, 'outlier'?

147 Yes. (If Farns were available today, I'd say no.)

2007-07-25 18:09:33
150.   Mattpat11
149 There's still tomorrow.
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2007-07-25 18:11:35
151.   RIYank
150 True, and I guess he's almost guaranteed to pitch tomorrow. If Farns and Bruney both throw tomorrow, Pena has a very good shot at a BB.
2007-07-25 18:12:20
152.   joe in boston
What makes a player (Abreu) NOT dive for a ball (and therefore play it safe and NOT make a great catch ?). He just frustrates me at times out there .....

OTOH, I was glad to see AROD use 2 hands on that pop-up ... my dad would have been proud ! He always told us not to "nonchalant" the popups and use two hands ....

2007-07-25 18:12:23
153.   Mattpat11
51 through 3
2007-07-25 18:12:42
154.   monkeypants
103 Ah, I missed some good stuff, i see.
2007-07-25 18:13:20
155.   RIYank
152 But you saw Grudzmientzkiewicz two-hand drop a pop-up two days ago, right?
2007-07-25 18:13:36
156.   joe in boston
143 What ?! No Utica Club or Genesee Cream Ale ?????!!!!
2007-07-25 18:13:43
157.   Jim Dean
148 He was only at 88 pitches. It's a bit much, but still...

And I agree completely. Let another team overpay (in prospects and contract). Go get a guy like Carter or Koshansky instead.

2007-07-25 18:13:55
158.   Mattpat11
151 Igawa as well
2007-07-25 18:14:11
159.   Schteeve
152 What if he dove for the ball and it got past him. A run scores. Bobby plays things a little safe on defense, but I don't mind it.
2007-07-25 18:14:16
160.   joe in boston
155 HA !
2007-07-25 18:14:18
161.   RIYank
153 Just a few more than that for Meche. If they both go six, we have to be pretty happy about that. Esp. considering the KC pen threw something like 150 pitches yesterday.
2007-07-25 18:15:04
162.   joe in boston
159 HA to you too ! Yeah, I guess you're right ....
2007-07-25 18:15:05
163.   Schteeve
154 ;)
2007-07-25 18:16:14
164.   RIYank
Rob forgot the program there.
2007-07-25 18:17:27
165.   RIYank
Hard to fault Andy for swinging at that pitch. But damn, that was a very quick and easy inning for the Mecheman.
2007-07-25 18:17:36
166.   Chyll Will
152 Instinct, I suppose. Bobby's instinct for self-preservation is stronger than his instinct for sacrifice... plus, coordination has something to do with it. Perhaps it's better he doesn't dive; otherwise you have a repeat of He Who Must Not Be Named...
2007-07-25 18:18:02
167.   JL25and3
149 I think it might have been the word of the day yesterday. Or was that "variability?"
2007-07-25 18:21:01
168.   Mattpat11
166Pavano dove? At anything?
2007-07-25 18:21:51
169.   Chyll Will
167 At least it wasn't "mariahilbily"...
2007-07-25 18:22:07
170.   Mattpat11
91 mph?
2007-07-25 18:22:29
171.   weeping for brunnhilde
152 He probably also told admonished you to shorten up with two strikes, right?
2007-07-25 18:22:48
172.   Schteeve
170 The moose testosterone is starting to kick in.
2007-07-25 18:23:28
173.   mehmattski
168 I read that as if you were talking about some variety of bird named after Pavano. Which I think would be a pretty cool name for an 80s hair band.

"Next on the stage, let's welcome PAVANO DOVE!!!!!"

2007-07-25 18:24:12
174.   RIYank
Hey, no running on Melky allowed!
Here's the big Moose test.
2007-07-25 18:24:27
175.   Chyll Will
168 Ssshh! Rigghht, word has it he dove when they threw him out there for a consecutive start...
2007-07-25 18:24:52
176.   joe in boston
171 Yup !

Lately, I've been explaining the game of baseball to my 4 1/2 year old son Peter(named after my dad ... who unfortunately passed away 2 months ago). What a different way to look at the game - through the eyes of a kid ! Tough to explain EVERYTHING too, ya know ?!

2007-07-25 18:25:20
177.   RIYank
173 You misspelled 'paloma'.
2007-07-25 18:28:25
178.   Mattpat11
wheels are coming off.
2007-07-25 18:28:58
179.   Chyll Will
177 P-a-m-m-o-n-i-a...
2007-07-25 18:28:59
180.   williamnyy23
Watching Moose is like pulling teeth...it seems like everything comes so difficult for him now.
2007-07-25 18:28:59
181.   Schteeve
Moose is toast. Like..forever. He is done. Stick a fork in him.
2007-07-25 18:30:53
182.   Schteeve
90mph on the 2 seamer. Interesting.
2007-07-25 18:31:20
183.   Jim Dean
How deep was that fly to Damon. Should I take it as a good sign Gload didn't tag?
2007-07-25 18:31:55
184.   williamnyy23
The Yankees are 6-10 in Moose's starts. That is going to need to improve if the Yankees are going to comeback.
2007-07-25 18:31:56
185.   weeping for brunnhilde
176 Bless their hearts.

That's really beautiful, Joe, and my deepest condolences.

I have a son exactly the same age, and we play in the backyard everyday.

It's pure joy playing with him, teaching him, watching his natural ability guide him.

It is tough to explain everything.

And it's such an awesome responsibility, you know? He hits very well, but he has this weird stance, sort of facing me (the pitcher) square one, rather than sideways.

It's hard to know what to try to correct, what not.

And it's hard trying to challenge him without demoralizing him.

Hitting a baseball is, shall we say, not easy.

But he hangs in there. He's astonishingly patient when he swings and misses; he's otherwise not the most patient person in the world. But he wants to hit the ball, so he focusses.

Pure joy, pure joy.

2007-07-25 18:32:00
186.   Schteeve
Ok i take back what I said about moose. For at least the next half inning.
2007-07-25 18:32:22
187.   RIYank
181 DO YOU SPELL 'TOAST' WITH A 'K', buddy?

I have no idea what that meant. I'm on a spelling binge.

179 I'm sorry, Mr. Will, you are eliminated.

2007-07-25 18:32:37
188.   Schteeve
183 It was as shallow as it could have been without being the shortstop's ball.
2007-07-25 18:32:55
189.   Mattpat11
I'm trying to think of who Mussina reminds me of this game. I'm gonna go with John Wetteland with no fastball.
2007-07-25 18:33:40
190.   Chyll Will
Umm... I just turned on YES (my roommate insisted on hogging the TV for 'So You Think You Can Dance') and I distinctly saw the YES scoreboard showing KC up 4-2. Am I blind?
2007-07-25 18:33:42
191.   RIYank
185 Ahem, swinging from your heels with a man on third and one out??? Time out for you, young man!
2007-07-25 18:33:56
192.   Schteeve
189 I'm gonna go with a "crafty/wily veteran."
2007-07-25 18:35:01
193.   weeping for brunnhilde
187 :)
2007-07-25 18:35:45
194.   Chyll Will
187 I was so close! How could that have been wrong?? FIX!!!
2007-07-25 18:35:51
195.   Mattpat11
192 He's right handed. He can't be crafty
2007-07-25 18:37:47
196.   Mattpat11
Well that sucked. And I'm convinced Gil Meche is doing something nefarious. There's no other explanation
2007-07-25 18:38:02
197.   weeping for brunnhilde
191 Yes, yes! :)

No, see, that's just it!

I'm tempted to, well, you know, "teach him a lesson." To stop the flow of the game to explain things to him. Sometimes he's actually really receptive. Usually, actually.

Sometimes, though, he just wants to hit humors me by pretending to listen so we can continue playing.

Not easy trying to figure out how to be the perfect coach.

2007-07-25 18:38:55
198.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
127 Molson? Don't you mean Moosehead?

A fine Canukistan beer, not only much better than Molson, but very a propos.

2007-07-25 18:39:17
199.   Mattpat11
one pitch out. That was a plus.
2007-07-25 18:39:31
200.   Jim Dean
188 Thanks. I'm cool with him out there cause I think he'll save more bases with the glove than his arm lets up. But it will still be an interesting thing to watch how much he's tested.
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2007-07-25 18:39:33
201.   Chyll Will
those steaks could've used a little A-1...
2007-07-25 18:41:22
202.   weeping for brunnhilde
Like sometimes he'll throw the ball back to me in a clownish, negligent manner.

He's just having fun, of course, but he knows how to throw and I don't want to go chasing down the ball just because he chooses to throw like an buffoon.

I always scold him for those ridiculous throws.

I'm such a slave-driver.

:)

2007-07-25 18:42:36
203.   mehmattski
Is it me or does the Royals announcer agree with the umpire on every close call? At first I just thought it was refreshing that he would disagree with fans who booed at a correct call made against the home team. But I think he just always sides with the umpire on everything, even some of the questionable strike calls tonight. Kind of weird. Anyone else notice this?
2007-07-25 18:42:43
204.   BklynBmr
Sweet DP, Yanks!
2007-07-25 18:42:58
205.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, what beauty!

Nice throw from your knees, Derek, graceful turn, Robbie!

Oh, that was pretty.

2007-07-25 18:43:05
206.   Mattpat11
Nice inning there. 80 through five.
2007-07-25 18:43:33
207.   RIYank
198 Damn, I did mean Moosehead, of course. Crud.

Speaking of which, Moose's head manages not to explode for yeet another inning.

2007-07-25 18:43:50
208.   Jim Dean
Thank you Esteban German. First pitch swinging.
2007-07-25 18:44:27
209.   weeping for brunnhilde
208 Indeed.
2007-07-25 18:46:02
210.   RIYank
Weeping, I haven't coached baseball (the Little League here is ludicrously political and unpleasant for adults, though it's not too bad for the kids). But I've coached a lot of soccer. Criticizing on the spot is almost completely useless and often counterproductive. That's my experience, anyway.
2007-07-25 18:47:12
211.   RIYank
Meche is about an inning ahead of Moose in pitch count.
2007-07-25 18:49:13
212.   JL25and3
197 I think at that age the responsibility is yours - you have to learn how to throw the ball so it will hit his bat.
2007-07-25 18:49:14
213.   weeping for brunnhilde
210 Really, even at 4 1/2?

How else can you teach fundamentals but while you're actually playing?

I could see how when you're older and have a basic framework for execution, the rules, etc., that would make sense, but at such a young age, it's all new.

2007-07-25 18:49:47
214.   Jim Dean
Joe Borowski is Cleveland's closer? My god.
2007-07-25 18:51:07
215.   joe in boston
Thanks Weeping - we share the same thoughts.

My son is strictly a pull hitter now. Loves to whack the crap out of the wiffle ball - he basically runs to a random tree in our neighbors yard, and then back to home plate. I've found a good workout is to basically chase him all over the place - no bases yet in our games !

2007-07-25 18:51:22
216.   BklynBmr
214 Dummy up. Don't jinx it...
2007-07-25 18:52:30
217.   RIYank
213 The thing is, they get defensive. Well, it's different if you're just throwing to him in the back yard, I was thinking of games. Still you have to keep it to a minimum.
2007-07-25 18:52:56
218.   weeping for brunnhilde
212 Easier said than done.

He pleads with me all the time: "Throw strikes!"

and I respond, "I'm trying, I'm trying!"

It's really funny.

Sometimes I move close and pitch it underhand, but that bores him pretty quickly.

He's so small, though, that it's really hard to throw strikes, with or without velocity.

2007-07-25 18:54:08
219.   Jim Dean
Woooo!

"Play the game the right way" outpitched Carmona and lost!

Woooooo!

2007-07-25 18:54:25
220.   Mattpat11
Well, that pitch missed the target
2007-07-25 18:54:34
221.   RIYank
Hm, Proctor and Villone. Yeah, if Moose makes it out of this inning we aren't in bad shape, actually. Though two runs, obviously not exactly safe.

Wow, Cleveland beats Boston 1-0!

2007-07-25 18:54:47
222.   BklynBmr
Tribe hangs on!!!
2007-07-25 18:54:50
223.   Jim Dean
Big Popout to end it.
2007-07-25 18:55:53
224.   SpoonG91
Why was Tyler Clippard sent down to Trenton?
2007-07-25 18:56:24
225.   joe in boston
One of my best days ever was a month ago when little Pete came downstairs with his Jeter shirt on, his white grass-stained baseball pants on, his Yankee hat on ... and announced he wanted to "play bomber bat" (we have one of those big wiffle ball bats ... and followed that up with "I'm wearing my Yankee underwear too daddy !"
2007-07-25 18:56:43
226.   weeping for brunnhilde
215 Wow, mine actually sprays it around.

It's amazing how natural these tendencies are.

217 It's true, he does get defensive sometimes, though usually not.

Also, sometimes he's aware that we're "practicing" while others, it's "a real game" and he steps in as Derek Jeter or Jorge Posada.

I'm less inclined to do it during those "games," it's true.

2007-07-25 18:57:06
227.   Jim Dean
Serves up right. Sabathia outpitched Matsuzaka and lost 1-0.

And Youkilis, Varitek, and Pedroia are all starting to suck again.

2007-07-25 18:57:08
228.   RIYank
219 Why do you say Beckett outpitched him? I wasn't following.
2007-07-25 18:57:43
229.   weeping for brunnhilde
225 :)
2007-07-25 18:58:30
230.   Jim Dean
224 Not clear. He did lose his control, but he hasn't been that bad. Ohlendorf was been way worse.
2007-07-25 18:58:53
231.   RIYank
Gload is very, very irritating. How the hell does he do that?
2007-07-25 18:59:08
232.   SpoonG91
Can we ever stop Russ Gload, and who is Russ Gload?
2007-07-25 18:59:15
233.   weeping for brunnhilde
Moose sure gets hit hard these days.
2007-07-25 18:59:20
234.   BklynBmr
227 Boston is not hitting at all. Varitek is something like 2-30...
2007-07-25 18:59:28
235.   Mattpat11
Why is Ross effing Gload getting all these hits?
2007-07-25 19:00:27
236.   SpoonG91
I've always liked Reggie Sanders, he's always consistant and he certainly doesn't get cheated.
2007-07-25 19:01:50
237.   SpoonG91
I don't trust Proctor after a few days off.
2007-07-25 19:02:20
238.   Jim Dean
228 More Ks, fewer walks but it was very close. He just gave up a solo shot (to the immortal Franklin Gutierrez).

Like last night - Sabathia outpitched Matsuzaka by a little bit and still lost.

2007-07-25 19:02:56
239.   BklynBmr
237 When has he had a few days off?
2007-07-25 19:03:26
240.   SpoonG91
Mussina never seems able to leave on a high note.
2007-07-25 19:03:39
241.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
224 230

Clippard's July splits:

21.7 ip .330 baa .398 obp .495 slugging .893 ops 1.85 whip, 4.15 bb/9, 4.57 k/9

That's why.

2007-07-25 19:03:57
242.   RIYank
Villone, uh, did the job.
2007-07-25 19:04:18
243.   SpoonG91
239 Exactly, my friend, exactly.
2007-07-25 19:04:52
244.   Jim Dean
Can this team please break through against Meche?
2007-07-25 19:05:22
245.   RIYank
We need a run or two. At the very least we have to finish off Meche this inning.
2007-07-25 19:05:59
246.   SpoonG91
244 Meche is just good, but the KC bullpen is really overperforming as of late.
2007-07-25 19:06:51
247.   BklynBmr
243 His first appearances in spring training are the only samples ;-)
2007-07-25 19:07:40
248.   RIYank
Did I hear some "Hip hip jorge"s?
2007-07-25 19:07:43
249.   weeping for brunnhilde
Jorgie's amazing.

Beautiful, perfect swing.

2007-07-25 19:08:47
250.   williamnyy23
Check out the Phillies box score and tell me they can't use Krazy Kyle.
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2007-07-25 19:09:17
251.   RIYank
246 But they're seriously warn down now, that bullpen. I think we have a good chance...

But now we're nailing Meche, so go figure.

2007-07-25 19:09:18
252.   BklynBmr
244 They've had to see the scoreboard by now...
2007-07-25 19:09:20
253.   Jim Dean
241 Come on. One month? That's silly.

Meanwhile, Ohlendorf in two starts has a .335 BAA (5.40 ERA) and for a groundball pitcher his ratio of GO/AO is 0.67.

2007-07-25 19:09:22
254.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, Robbie!

Another beautiful swing!

I love this!

2007-07-25 19:09:30
255.   RIYank
I bet he bunts.
2007-07-25 19:09:41
256.   williamnyy23
Another pesky 1st & 2nd with no outs. I don't bunt here.
2007-07-25 19:09:42
257.   Jim Dean
Cano = .298
2007-07-25 19:09:51
258.   SpoonG91
Royals fans are trying in vain to drown out the Jorge chant. How embarrasing for KC.
2007-07-25 19:10:29
259.   BklynBmr
250 Can we pick their pocket two years in a row? I hope so...
2007-07-25 19:10:38
260.   monkeypants
Aha--so would you guys bunt now??
2007-07-25 19:10:44
261.   weeping for brunnhilde
256 I don't think I do either--can Andy even bunt?
2007-07-25 19:11:19
262.   RIYank
Okay, take it off with a strike on him. I'd love to see Andy stuff it up an infielder's throat.
2007-07-25 19:11:19
263.   weeping for brunnhilde
I guess the answer is no.
2007-07-25 19:11:26
264.   monkeypants
256 Seventh inning with Phillips--I might actually bunt here.
2007-07-25 19:12:02
265.   Mattpat11
Buck is a clumsy fuck.
2007-07-25 19:12:20
266.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fuck!

I thought Andy was going to make it.

But nicely done--use your enemy's aggression against him.

2007-07-25 19:12:28
267.   RIYank
Wow. Well, we almost saw one of the advantages of bunting there, but anyway I think that worked out nicely. Hm, I'll check the expectancies.
2007-07-25 19:12:30
268.   monkeypants
Wow, great throw by the catcher!
2007-07-25 19:12:32
269.   SpoonG91
Buck is taking a BEATING
2007-07-25 19:12:36
270.   williamnyy23
I just don't like bunting Posada to third.
2007-07-25 19:12:48
271.   BklynBmr
260 Not the way the bats have been hummin' lately. Get up there and swing stupid...
2007-07-25 19:12:48
272.   weeping for brunnhilde
Let's go *Le*che!
2007-07-25 19:12:50
273.   Chyll Will
261 Andy can bunt. But he's slllllooooow out the box...
2007-07-25 19:13:29
274.   monkeypants
The tough thing now is Jorge at third. If you're playing for one, in theory you would PR, but I'm not sure I would do that.
2007-07-25 19:13:40
275.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ha!

Beautiful, Melky, beautiful!

Oh, I'm so happy.

Textbook.

Well-oiled machine.

2007-07-25 19:13:53
276.   williamnyy23
I'm glad Melky hit that ball and wasn't the one fielding it!
2007-07-25 19:13:57
277.   monkeypants
274 Mute point!
2007-07-25 19:14:17
278.   BklynBmr
270 No worries. Giambi will be back soon...
2007-07-25 19:14:27
279.   RIYank
Ok, the expectancy with 1 and 2 and nobody out is 87.5%; with 2 and 3rd and one out it's 89.1%. A marginal improvement. That makes sense to me.

And now it looks like a very good move.

2007-07-25 19:14:28
280.   SpoonG91
When are we going to see Molina?
2007-07-25 19:15:24
281.   SpoonG91
When are we going to see Molina?
2007-07-25 19:15:24
282.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
253 Silly? He's been dreadful over what 6 starts? Nearly 900 ops against? 4+ walks per 9? 1/1 bb/k? C'mon dude.

Meanwhile, Ohlendorf's coming back from injury and in his 2 starts he's given up a .800 ops against. Which is stellar compared to Clippard, though hardly something to write home about.

Plus he's only walking 1.86/9 and k'ing 7.45

That's a small sample for him, but still significantly better than the dreadful Clippard, whose future is tradebait.

2007-07-25 19:15:40
283.   monkeypants
261 263 You must have missed his bunt last night. He seems to be a good bunter, for what it's worth.
2007-07-25 19:16:46
284.   weeping for brunnhilde
271 Well that just begs the question: what's "lately?"

The last 6 innings they'd only scratched out two.

The broad trend shouldn't necessarily dictate the next three innings.

This game is just this game, and the gamble is that just because they've been hitting these past 30 or so innings, they'll hit like that in the next two or three innings.

2007-07-25 19:16:50
285.   Mattpat11
Someone needs to explain this to me. Why is Gil Meche, career shitty pitcher, suddenly unhittable? I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION
2007-07-25 19:17:11
286.   monkeypants
I'm just glad that they got through that inning with no extra basehits--let alone HRs--or walks.
2007-07-25 19:18:06
287.   weeping for brunnhilde
283 Thanks, I did.

I missed the whole game.

2007-07-25 19:18:48
288.   weeping for brunnhilde
286 A bird in the hand.
2007-07-25 19:19:50
289.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nicely done, Scott.

But that was a weird decision, to throw underhand.

2007-07-25 19:20:15
290.   RIYank
What the...???

I guess he dives when it counts!

2007-07-25 19:20:27
291.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, Bobby!

Nicely done.

What a crisp baseball game, Team!

2007-07-25 19:20:33
292.   BklynBmr
Bobby definitely reads the Banter between innings...
2007-07-25 19:21:16
293.   Chyll Will
Buck: "Proctor throws strikes?

Proctor: "That's 'Proctor throws strikes sir!"

Abreu: "Oh yeah? Watch this... Hua!!!"

2007-07-25 19:21:45
294.   monkeypants
The Yankees need to butcher a play in the field or hit a HR pretty soon, before Weeping has, er, an accident.
2007-07-25 19:21:46
295.   RIYank
Hm. There's something weird about Proctor's performance. He hasn't thrown a single pitch out of the zone yet! Did they threaten him? I can see Gator, "Now you listen here you little..."
2007-07-25 19:22:07
296.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow, it's Viz getting up!
2007-07-25 19:22:09
297.   williamnyy23
There yuo go Bobby...the grass doesn't hurt!
2007-07-25 19:23:13
298.   RIYank
Holy frick. What a way to get out of the strike zone.
Now it's interesting.
2007-07-25 19:23:16
299.   weeping for brunnhilde
294 ha ha hah aha ha ha aha!!

Well, there's your HBP.

Fuck.

2007-07-25 19:23:50
300.   RIYank
296 I thought Myers. Oh, both of them.
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2007-07-25 19:24:06
301.   weeping for brunnhilde
Check out the dour puss on Joe.
2007-07-25 19:24:07
302.   Chyll Will
295 You had to say something, huh? >;)
2007-07-25 19:24:57
303.   BklynBmr
284 If you're telling me Gil Meche can put this offense into a slump, you'd think we just ran up a zillion runs against some really bad te... wait a minute. Scratch that...
2007-07-25 19:25:27
304.   weeping for brunnhilde
I don't like this move.

Just go straight to Viz, for Christ's sake.

This is just dumb.

2007-07-25 19:25:41
305.   williamnyy23
Welcome back Scott Proctor...it took three batters, but it's nice to see he's back.
2007-07-25 19:26:18
306.   yankz
294 You mean "Jerk it out"?

What, I was referring to the offense.

2007-07-25 19:27:15
307.   Mattpat11
double
2007-07-25 19:27:19
308.   Jim Dean
282 I'm not convinced that Clippard is as tradebait. He's 22 years old and has outstanding months too. One bad month suddenly undoes all that?

Prospect smackdown - 2007 edition:
Clippard (22 yo): 4.15 ERA 69.1 IP 82 H 32 ER 7 HR 35 BB 55 K 0.69 GO/AO .299 BAA
Ohlendorf (25 yo): 4.90 ERA 60.2 IP 71 H 33 ER 6 HR 22 BB 50 K 1.49 GO/AO .290 BAA

Those lines aren't all that different. And Ohlendorf has the advantage in there of 16 IP in Rookie ball (17 K and 1 BB).

If anything, I give Clippard the benefit of the doubt, being three years younger and, you know, actually pitching better at the same level.

2007-07-25 19:27:29
309.   RIYank
304 Myers got Teahen last night.
2007-07-25 19:27:36
310.   Chyll Will
304 Yeah well, I surprised Joe didn't leave him in to allow at least two runs to make sure he was justified in making a move...
2007-07-25 19:28:33
311.   monkeypants
308 I consider him trade bait only indofar as he could deflect attention from Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy.
2007-07-25 19:28:37
312.   RIYank
There ya go. Hey, Damon is a VG LF.
This is a good game.
2007-07-25 19:28:54
313.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, yes!

Excellent.

Nice job, Mike, nice job.

2007-07-25 19:30:20
314.   yankz
312 Did you just abbreviate "very good" as VG? Or is that some acronym I haven't heard before?
2007-07-25 19:30:25
315.   weeping for brunnhilde
309 Ah, thanks.
2007-07-25 19:30:54
316.   RIYank
I'd like one more run. Don't want to sound greedy. Videlicet and Mariano with a 3-run lead, that's comfortable. Maybe not against the Tigers, but here.
2007-07-25 19:31:06
317.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
308 It's not about who's the better prospect -- given our pitching depth I can't see either one ever starting for us long term.

It's about why Clippard got sent down and not Ollie. Ollie's numbers in his 2 starts in Scranton back from injury are satisfactory. Clippard's had a disasterous month.

Clippard's clearly lost something in a big way, and might even need to go back down to Tampa for some tutoring and condidence.

2007-07-25 19:31:12
318.   weeping for brunnhilde
All right.

Derek's gonna step up here.

2007-07-25 19:31:12
319.   Chyll Will
313 Nah Weep, a groundout to short on the first pitch would have been more efficient >;)
2007-07-25 19:32:06
320.   Mattpat11
Come on. Tack another three runs on Meche. At least hurt his ERA
2007-07-25 19:32:08
321.   RIYank
314 Uh, yeah, 'very good'. Why, is that weird or dorky or something? Neither would surprise me.
2007-07-25 19:32:17
322.   yankz
A-Rod will homer
2007-07-25 19:32:21
323.   weeping for brunnhilde
319 :)
2007-07-25 19:32:31
324.   Chyll Will
318 Meche thought the same thing, apparently...
2007-07-25 19:32:50
325.   weeping for brunnhilde
I don't know. Now Derek's hanging in.

Doesn't look too comfortable.

2007-07-25 19:33:20
326.   yankz
321 It seems like it's taking the acronym fad a bit too far. LOL I get because it's convention, but come on dude, "VG" is just lazy.

Watch me type "LGY!" or something now.

(let's go yankees, not loogy...)

2007-07-25 19:33:22
327.   BklynBmr
Meche: 107 pitches
2007-07-25 19:33:25
328.   weeping for brunnhilde
That was a better swing.
2007-07-25 19:33:50
329.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ho!!!

Ha ha!

My fucking man Derek.

2007-07-25 19:33:57
330.   RIYank
Captain Clutch does it again.

Okay, I now have to ask: what does "Captain 1-3" mean, Weeping?

2007-07-25 19:34:16
331.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
308 I'd add that if Ollie can work out his back issue, which clearly is a huge problem for someone who relies on keeping the ball down, he's still more valuable than a fly-ball pitcher who doesn't throw hard enough to strike people out. No matter what Clippard's age and mninor league stats are.
2007-07-25 19:34:20
332.   BklynBmr
318 You were right the first time...
2007-07-25 19:34:39
333.   RIYank
Yeah, I'm sure Meche is tiring. I know he often goes this deep, but odds are he's less effective up in this high pitch count.
2007-07-25 19:35:22
334.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hit and run.

Excellent.

No fucking around. GO for the jugular.

2007-07-25 19:35:29
335.   monkeypants
327 Yeah, it's very strange. The opposing pitcher has around 110 pitches, is losing the game, and it's the 8th inning. What gives? Doesn't MLB have a rule that mandates using your third pitcher by now? Or is that just and AL rule?
2007-07-25 19:36:01
336.   BklynBmr
Well if nothing else, at least Bell can use his bullpen tomorrow night, so we got that goin' for us...
2007-07-25 19:36:45
337.   Comrade Al
Meche is wearing #55. Any relation to his new contract?
2007-07-25 19:36:51
338.   monkeypants
334 So, in your jargon, does going for the jugular mean trying to score a lot of runs? Or does it mean putting a serious bunt down on the opposition, or open a can of sac fly?
2007-07-25 19:37:41
339.   weeping for brunnhilde
330 Oh, just that he goes 1-3.

Every day, you know you'll get a 1-3 out of him.

The Consistency. He doesn't have very many four and five hit games, but he's always got a hit.

2007-07-25 19:38:10
340.   yankz
Boo Abreowulf!
2007-07-25 19:38:25
341.   Jim Dean
317 In Eiland at The Office, he's got the guy he dominated with (no-hitter and numbers just a tick below Hughes) last year in the second half. Me, if I had to guess they demoted him to lessen his value as tradebait.

You know, I figure after they say "Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy are untouchable " the next guy to be asked about would be the one who is younger, more advanced, and more proven than the other pitchers.

Instead, by demoting him, they let teams first ask about Ohlendorf, Horne, Marquez, Smith, Jones, DeSalvo, Karstens, Rasner...

Clippard's problem is one of control. I'll give up on him in two to three years.

2007-07-25 19:39:09
342.   RIYank
339 Ohhhhh.
But yesterday, four hits, and two today.
Still, I get it. That's how he manages these unbelievable hitting streaks even though he doesn't bat .390.
2007-07-25 19:39:24
343.   BklynBmr
337 Good observation. If he was rockin' about 15 pounds of gold chains out there, I'd think there might be something to that...
2007-07-25 19:39:26
344.   Chyll Will
338 It could be a euphemism for falling in love with a side-show act...
2007-07-25 19:40:04
345.   yankz
Boo Abreowulf!
2007-07-25 19:40:59
346.   RIYank
Ohhhhhhhh yeah.
499 baby.
2007-07-25 19:41:16
347.   weeping for brunnhilde
330 That would be interesting to look into, actually.

Fluxuation of average.

Derek was between .328 and .355 for a couple months, but leveled off at .333. He's been between .328 and like .335 for weeks now, it seems.

Alex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!1

2007-07-25 19:41:17
348.   BklynBmr
Wow! 499 and counting...
2007-07-25 19:41:27
349.   RIYank
There, now, I said Meche was tiring. I want half credit for that one.
2007-07-25 19:41:28
350.   Mattpat11
WHOOOOOOOOOO
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2007-07-25 19:41:29
351.   tommyl
Wow, A-Rod is just unreal. What an AB.
2007-07-25 19:41:33
352.   Comrade Al
345 A-Rod says 'Boo Gilgamesh!'.
2007-07-25 19:41:36
353.   yankz
322 God I'm so awesome
2007-07-25 19:41:37
354.   weeping for brunnhilde
Please stay *A*lex!
2007-07-25 19:41:44
355.   Jim Dean
Ha!
2007-07-25 19:41:53
356.   Chyll Will
(Yawn) Who didn't see that coming? >;)

Are you okay, Weep? No worries, eh?

2007-07-25 19:42:11
357.   weeping for brunnhilde
What an amazing ab.

That was classic.

2007-07-25 19:42:40
358.   BklynBmr
The KC announcer sounded like that was a routine fly to right...
2007-07-25 19:42:47
359.   Comrade Al
Oriole tickets sold out yet?
2007-07-25 19:42:48
360.   3rd gen yankee fan
WOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
2007-07-25 19:43:06
361.   nemecizer
I <3 Insurance Runs.
2007-07-25 19:43:28
362.   weeping for brunnhilde
356 :)

349 Duly noted.

2007-07-25 19:43:31
363.   Mattpat11
358 I think A-Rod thought it was.
2007-07-25 19:43:51
364.   Chyll Will
353 Yes, you are >;)
2007-07-25 19:43:57
365.   fansince77
Wow- that was impressive because it was a short two strike swing- THis year you can see the extra concentration on Alex following that ball all the way to the bat with two strikes. He has really improved his game INTELLIGENTLY- taking what is given and making something good happen with it.
2007-07-25 19:44:04
366.   tommyl
358 Isn't it great when A-Rod just dumps the ball the opposite way with two strikes?
2007-07-25 19:44:06
367.   weeping for brunnhilde
358 Ha ha ha hah a!!1

They don't see this kind of thing every day, huh?

Poor bastards.

2007-07-25 19:44:07
368.   nemecizer
I still can't believe this guys is named "Jimmy Gobble". I think I'd sue my parents if they did that to me.
2007-07-25 19:44:09
369.   yankz
weeping would have preferred a sac bunt, because you can't rely on those pesky home runs...
2007-07-25 19:45:25
370.   weeping for brunnhilde
365 That's exactly right.

It's really uncanny.

He's just on.

2007-07-25 19:45:28
371.   yankz
BTW weeping: THAT is how you go for the jugular.

VG, A-God! LGY!

2007-07-25 19:45:31
372.   BklynBmr
353 Ahh, c'mon. That's too easy these days. Like sayin' "Hey, I predict a Cincy Bengal gets arrested this week"...
2007-07-25 19:45:49
373.   Mattpat11
I'm not sure I understand why they've been marking his balls from like 495 on.
2007-07-25 19:45:50
374.   RIYank
Oh, they're just ruining this game for Weeping. I'm sorry, dude.
2007-07-25 19:45:56
375.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ho!!!!!!!!!11

Ha!!!!!!!!111

Bring it on1!!!!!!!!!!

2007-07-25 19:46:03
376.   Mattpat11
MATSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUI
2007-07-25 19:46:19
377.   BklynBmr
Zilla!!!!!
2007-07-25 19:46:20
378.   tommyl
Matsui, that stat-padder.
2007-07-25 19:46:22
379.   Comrade Al
368 What a turkey!
2007-07-25 19:46:31
380.   nemecizer
GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE!!
2007-07-25 19:46:50
381.   yankz
372 I know, this one was really easy. Tiring pitcher, stupid name, A-Rod up...
2007-07-25 19:46:56
382.   weeping for brunnhilde
374 No, no, this is beautiful!

The homeruns are the padding, putting the game out of reach.

But it was that third run that was essential.

As long as we got that, the rest was house money.

2007-07-25 19:47:04
383.   nemecizer
Matsui is really smokin' em this July.
2007-07-25 19:47:09
384.   Comrade Al
372 ... or Lindsey Lohan.
2007-07-25 19:47:20
385.   yankz
Matsui has 18 home runs?! When the fuck did this happen!
2007-07-25 19:47:31
386.   Mattpat11
A couple weeks ago, someone posted a link to a site that kept track of "no doubt" homers. Does anyone remember the link?
2007-07-25 19:47:36
387.   fansince77
Gobble is a name so obvious...you actually can't even make fun of it.
2007-07-25 19:47:51
388.   Chyll Will
369 You might as well tempur fugit, Weep. They ain't listening...
2007-07-25 19:48:18
389.   Comrade Al
387 At least it isn't Stubby Clapp.
2007-07-25 19:48:40
390.   monkeypants
347 339 330 For what it's worth, Jeter is second in MLB in multi-hit games with 40 (Ichiro leads with 47). I'm not sure about 4 or 5 hit games; there are usually pretty few of those in a given season.

I really like these consistent HRs!

2007-07-25 19:48:49
391.   yankz
386 http://hittrackeronline.com/
2007-07-25 19:49:00
392.   weeping for brunnhilde
373 Nor do I.
2007-07-25 19:49:02
393.   RIYank
385 He has ten this month.
2007-07-25 19:49:08
394.   tommyl
385 Yeah, he's really been on a tear. At least now A-Rod has less than twice as many HRs as the next nearest Yankee.
2007-07-25 19:49:13
395.   yankz
Wait, I thought only homers to the opposite field counted?
2007-07-25 19:49:14
396.   Comrade Al
385 Between April 1st and now.
2007-07-25 19:49:19
397.   Jim Dean
331 I see nothing in Ohlendorf's record to think he'll be any more than a middle relief guy.

Prospect Smackdown! - Career (through 2006):
Clippard (22 yo): 582.2 IP 7.93 H/9 0.76 HR/9 2.49 BB/9 9.46 K/9 1.16 WHIP
Ohlendorf (25 yo): 429.1 IP 9.65 H/9 0.63 HR/9 2.47 BB/9 7.34 K/9 1.35 WHIP

So, let me get this straight. Clippard is three years younger, has pitched more professional innings (and never been hurt), gives up fewer hits and K's more guys, but Ohlendorf is "more valuable" even with back issues?

2007-07-25 19:50:17
398.   weeping for brunnhilde
It's just that if Francisco Rodriguez were in, there'd be no homeuns.

That's all I'm saying.

2007-07-25 19:50:36
399.   BklynBmr
387 "His first name should have been Gobble, too. That would rock." — Picabo Street
2007-07-25 19:50:37
400.   yankz
A-Rod has just blown by Princess Fielder (I'm on fire), currently stuck at 30.
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2007-07-25 19:51:29
401.   tommyl
397 Honestly, I just think they sent Clip down to get some confidence back. That may or may not be the right move, but I don't think it means they are giving up on him. They did the same to DeSalvo last year.
2007-07-25 19:51:31
402.   RIYank
Cano drives down .300 street!
2007-07-25 19:51:37
403.   yankz
396 Ah, got it, thanks.
2007-07-25 19:51:51
404.   weeping for brunnhilde
Robbie!

Nice hitting.

2007-07-25 19:52:04
405.   BklynBmr
373 Who's the poor schmuck who has that job?
2007-07-25 19:52:14
406.   yankz
402 And gets caught speeding (he's at .299).
2007-07-25 19:52:15
407.   monkeypants
387 When your last name is 'Gobble,' I'm not sure any first name is gonna make much of a difference. At least they didn't call him Dick.
2007-07-25 19:52:18
408.   Chyll Will
395 No, straight away works to. Looks like we're gonna have to DFA Matsui though...
2007-07-25 19:52:39
409.   51cq24
isnt singleton great
2007-07-25 19:52:41
410.   tommyl
398 If K-Rod was in, there'd also be no hits. That's sorta why he's a dominant closer.
2007-07-25 19:53:19
411.   weeping for brunnhilde
402 It almost makes me want to cry with joy.

Check out Andy!

Two line drives, one run!

Yay!!!!!!!!!!1

2007-07-25 19:53:33
412.   tommyl
Oh, and Andy Phillips sucks. Better get Dunn or Tex here asap. I'd say Hughes and Kennedy should net one of them, no?
2007-07-25 19:53:35
413.   nemecizer
GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE!!!
2007-07-25 19:53:46
414.   Mattpat11
397 I think it helps people pretend we got anything close to real value in the Unit trade.
2007-07-25 19:53:48
415.   RIYank
406 Dang, really? Even rounding off?

Good, Andy needed the rbi.

2007-07-25 19:53:57
416.   Chyll Will
He pulled that one. Send in a pinch-runner!!!
2007-07-25 19:53:58
417.   Jim Dean
401 Probably so - and it also helps "hurt" his trade value.

402 Gameday is calling it .299 :)

2007-07-25 19:54:03
418.   yankz
WTF, Andy Phillips is the designated BUNTER...I will not stand for this!
2007-07-25 19:54:38
419.   Comrade Al
With all this fun we are having with his name, we are truly ignoring the fact that Jimmy Gobble is a very bad pitcher. "You have a firm grasp on the obvious." - Howard Cossell.
2007-07-25 19:54:50
420.   yankz
415 Yup, .299 according to GameDay.
2007-07-25 19:55:24
421.   weeping for brunnhilde
You know, Andy's kind of lacing the ball.

He's really hitting.

2007-07-25 19:55:31
422.   tommyl
419 Huh? His ERA is below 3, or at least it was before this game. He's had what, two bad games in a row?
2007-07-25 19:55:43
423.   yankz
Well, at lease he popped out the opposite way. Attaboy, Melk!
2007-07-25 19:56:10
424.   tommyl
421 Except he can't hit curves, or lefties, or fastballs over 90mph. :)
2007-07-25 19:56:27
425.   weeping for brunnhilde
419 Very, very bad, poor thing.
2007-07-25 19:56:33
426.   Chyll Will
I love that A-Rod has fun with Melky and Robbie in the dugout.
2007-07-25 19:56:35
427.   yankz
Six run lead and you still bring in a guy who's been pitching a ton? Wouldn't it make more sense to just leave Myers in there?
2007-07-25 19:56:46
428.   51cq24
414 since he might be done forever do we even have to pretend that?
2007-07-25 19:56:58
429.   nemecizer
That was a good inning. We didn't necessarily need it, but this bullpen still makes me a bit nervous with small leads.
2007-07-25 19:57:13
430.   Mattpat11
424 I'd much rather be wrong in these situations than right
2007-07-25 19:57:17
431.   yankz
426 Were they sandwiching him again?

I'm glad to hear he's rubbing off on Melky. Hopefully Cano, too.

2007-07-25 19:57:21
432.   weeping for brunnhilde
424 :)
2007-07-25 19:57:58
433.   weeping for brunnhilde
426 Me too.

I hope he stays.

2007-07-25 19:58:04
434.   tommyl
426 I love that A-Rod is leading the league in OPS, HRs, XBH, RBIs and SLG
2007-07-25 19:58:41
435.   Mattpat11
414 When its a reflection of how Brian Cashman runs a team, yes.
2007-07-25 19:59:10
436.   monkeypants
427 Torre really does seem to be the school that a large number of appearances @ 1 inning each is less harmful than fewer appearances @ multiple innings. Maybe he's right; I'm sceptical.
2007-07-25 19:59:28
437.   RIYank
Yeah, .299479, I did the division myself.

This isn't a good Viz., situation: no possibility of getting the win.

2007-07-25 19:59:50
438.   Max
Why not just use Villone here?
2007-07-25 20:00:14
439.   Chyll Will
Nice eephus, Jorge!
2007-07-25 20:00:24
440.   51cq24
435 i don't know, because i kind of thought he was done, which is why i thought it was great to trade him.
2007-07-25 20:00:26
441.   Mattpat11
438 We used him already
2007-07-25 20:00:36
442.   RIYank
438 Well, I can think of one extremely good reason. :-)
2007-07-25 20:00:47
443.   Jim Dean
434 But not AVG!?

Run that bum out of town!

2007-07-25 20:01:15
444.   tommyl
430 Me too, just being an Andy fan from waaaay back, I love seeing the kid rip and have fun right now. It may or may not last, but I'll enjoy it.

Woah, Linebrink got traded to the Brewers?

2007-07-25 20:01:26
445.   weeping for brunnhilde
Look at Bobby!
2007-07-25 20:01:54
446.   RIYank
I know what's going on. Joe is gunning for the Pythagorean Pennant. We're very close. That means there are no low leverage situations.
2007-07-25 20:02:02
447.   Chyll Will
?? Notice that Abreu didn't burst into flames when he touched the wall, hmmm...
2007-07-25 20:02:30
448.   Max
441 Thanks for pointing out my brain fart...that's what I get for keeping track of Gameday on a window underneath while I'm working, and having the TV on.

I saw Mussina for a few innings, then Proctor...missed belly full of guts guy completely.

2007-07-25 20:02:51
449.   monkeypants
446 That's the Yankee way--championship or failure, nothing in between.
2007-07-25 20:02:53
450.   weeping for brunnhilde
446 ha ha hah ah ah a!
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2007-07-25 20:02:54
451.   tommyl
443 I know, I mean, he's clearly not going to win the triple crown. He's garbage. Plus all those ninth inning homeruns, some of those were in away games so they weren't walkoffs. The bum.
2007-07-25 20:03:10
452.   RIYank
447 He's doing asbestos he can?
2007-07-25 20:03:16
453.   Mattpat11
435 I just find it amazing that he couldn't wait to get rid of "Tampa signings" taking any combination of cripples, marginal players and men he has no use for, but held out for "equal value" for Carl Pavano until the absolute bitter end, going as far to craft a team that had Pavano in a prominent position.
2007-07-25 20:04:00
454.   weeping for brunnhilde
I just want to take this moment to note that we are cooking with gas around here.

Let's savor this.

2007-07-25 20:04:28
455.   BklynBmr
Is this a Mo night?
2007-07-25 20:04:30
456.   weeping for brunnhilde
Firing on all cylanders, and all that.
2007-07-25 20:04:38
457.   RIYank
448 He got one batter. And Myers came in later and got one batter. I think you can be forgiven for allowing them to blend together in your mind.
2007-07-25 20:04:38
458.   monkeypants
453 And they're off...
2007-07-25 20:05:24
459.   RIYank
455 I think it is. I'd love to see Henn.
2007-07-25 20:05:28
460.   weeping for brunnhilde
Pitching is good, defense is good, hitting is good.

I'm a happy man.

2007-07-25 20:05:33
461.   tommyl
414 Um, Vizcaino is pitching a bit better than Unit is right now, in that he's say able to pitch. Right now that trade is looking like:

Soon to retire, injured, crabby starter for a workhorse reliever and some prospects.

What is so bad about that?

2007-07-25 20:05:45
462.   Chyll Will
452 You deserve a root beer, my friend >;)
2007-07-25 20:06:06
463.   Mattpat11
458 I'm just offering a theory as to why the inferior player was kept up.
2007-07-25 20:07:20
464.   RIYank
462 What, no Yoo Hoo?? Not even one little dipper from your pail???
2007-07-25 20:07:23
465.   BklynBmr
459 Thanks, I'm spacing on when he's been in last (Mo, that is), but yeah, get Henn wet, why not? ...
2007-07-25 20:07:25
466.   51cq24
i think "prominent position" is an exaggeration because of the injuries in spring training and opening day. i always thought the idea was that the minor league pitching would fill in over the course of the season. but i do think that he should have traded him if he could have, and damon.
2007-07-25 20:08:27
467.   yankz
452 Why...just why? NVG, IMO, MFD(whatever that stands for).
2007-07-25 20:08:28
468.   Chyll Will
459 Thanks for reminding me, I haven't eaten dinner yet. We're having fried chicken.
2007-07-25 20:09:10
469.   Jim Dean
466 Farnsworth too.
2007-07-25 20:09:23
470.   tommyl
1-2-3

beautiful

2007-07-25 20:10:22
471.   BklynBmr
461 Just visualize that trade not happening...
2007-07-25 20:10:26
472.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ah, I see, now we're on the 500 watch?

I hope we won't need to hear about it every ab from here on out.

2007-07-25 20:10:47
473.   Chyll Will
464 Well, okay... two dips, since you've reminded me to eat >;)
2007-07-25 20:10:47
474.   RIYank
467 Because... it's there.
(Also I wanted the Yoo Hoo, but I'll settle for the root beer.)
2007-07-25 20:11:03
475.   tommyl
471 That'd be last years ALDS that would. Not too hard to imagine.
2007-07-25 20:11:26
476.   Mattpat11
461 The idea that we were holding out (for something we knew we couldn't get) for certain players and clearly taking whatever was offered for others annoys me.

Specifically, holding out for "equal value" for the awful Pavano but we traded a hall of famer for a pair of middle relivers and a utility man.

2007-07-25 20:11:52
477.   RIYank
473 Ahhhh.
I'll be sure not to slurp while you're eating.
2007-07-25 20:12:04
478.   tommyl
Oh, someone get on so A-Rod can hit 500 off Dotel. That'd be schweet.
2007-07-25 20:12:10
479.   51cq24
469 wouldnt other teams' interest in farnsworth somewhat hurt the argument that cashman was particularly stupid to invest money in him to begin with? if any other gms are interested, i agree they should trade him. but i don't know if they are, and i don't think the yankees would be hurt financially if they just absorbed the money they gave him, no matter how stupid it looks in retrospect.
2007-07-25 20:12:55
480.   weeping for brunnhilde
How 'bout that Johnny!
2007-07-25 20:12:56
481.   RIYank
Whoa, everyone has a hit again. Who would have guessed that a couple of innings ago?
2007-07-25 20:13:01
482.   Chyll Will
Nice!
2007-07-25 20:13:09
483.   Mattpat11
466 He was in the starting rotation. That's a prominent position for a man that had been nothing but a massive failure for us, and had had a lousy career to boot.
2007-07-25 20:13:13
484.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ouch!
2007-07-25 20:13:55
485.   RIYank
Yeah, I remember Dotel now.
He's the Maitre, Dotel.
2007-07-25 20:13:56
486.   Chyll Will
Not so much...
2007-07-25 20:14:17
487.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fuck, plug one of their guys.

Enough of this shit.

2007-07-25 20:14:39
488.   BklynBmr
You're welcome for giving your career CPR, Dotel, you rat bastard...
2007-07-25 20:14:53
489.   Chyll Will
Now, do you set Farnsworth on them?
2007-07-25 20:15:05
490.   51cq24
476 no matter how much work they actually do, how can you scorn the acquisition of middle relievers when we have all seen how important they are?
2007-07-25 20:15:09
491.   Jim Dean
How about A-Rod with a slam with for #500?
2007-07-25 20:15:22
492.   Max
457 Ha, good one. :-) I don't know what led to my delusional thinking that Joe had been finally getting away from LOOGYs...my bad.
2007-07-25 20:15:39
493.   yankz
Is Jeter hurt?
2007-07-25 20:16:11
494.   tommyl
These last few games have been beautiful. We pitch well, stay in the game and then feast on the bullpen. Love it.

If you walk him here, you suck.

2007-07-25 20:16:17
495.   RIYank
Lots of Yankee fans here, huh?
2007-07-25 20:16:27
496.   Jim Dean
491 Damn.
2007-07-25 20:16:34
497.   Mattpat11
490 Because we traded a HOF for that but refused to with several sub-par Cashman acquisitions.
2007-07-25 20:16:42
498.   BklynBmr
489 Bruney in for one pitch. Then Farns...
2007-07-25 20:17:43
499.   RIYank
493 No reason to think so. Hit on the elbow, painful, and of course it's a good time for Miggy anyway.
2007-07-25 20:17:46
500.   Chyll Will
Please eat him, A-Rod...
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2007-07-25 20:17:56
501.   BklynBmr
493 No word, but he seemed to want to stay in, but they pulled him...
2007-07-25 20:18:04
502.   51cq24
483 he's just been hurt. if they thought he was healthy they could easily have thought he'd be valuable to this team. not all people who are injured a lot stay injured a lot their whole careers.
2007-07-25 20:18:31
503.   weeping for brunnhilde
493 Don't know. Cairo ran for him...
2007-07-25 20:18:50
504.   RIYank
498 Jesus, that's scary. How many of those howitzers do we have? We could kill the whole team.
2007-07-25 20:19:04
505.   BklynBmr
Another 9 spot would be nice tonight...
2007-07-25 20:19:08
506.   Jim Dean
Double damn.
2007-07-25 20:19:57
507.   Jim Dean
So Mo has to get his work in, huh?
2007-07-25 20:20:11
508.   BklynBmr
504 If only we ever fired one ;-)
2007-07-25 20:21:06
509.   Nick from Washington Heights
506 I hope that's a reference to Mr. Show!
2007-07-25 20:21:11
510.   51cq24
497 a hall of famer who apparently had half a season left in him
2007-07-25 20:21:18
511.   BklynBmr
507 He's up?
2007-07-25 20:21:40
512.   RIYank
Do tell!

Sorry.

2007-07-25 20:21:57
513.   Mattpat11
502 Look at Pavano's career numbers. Why would he think Pavano could stay healthy all year or pitch effectively, let alone in the same year?

Pavano has pitched 150 innings twice. he's pitched to the league average twice. he's done both once.

There was no reason to think Carl Pavano could be valuable to this team. The only reason to keep him would be if you didn't want to admit a mistake.

2007-07-25 20:22:02
514.   tommyl
Yeah, that A-Rod hates Jeter and is nonchalant. Here's a guy who's 2-5 with a 2 run HR and he's still pissed he didn't drive in a run with a runner on third and less than two outs. How can you not like him?
2007-07-25 20:22:10
515.   Jim Dean
Double double damn.
2007-07-25 20:22:13
516.   monkeypants
497 HOF credentials are irrelevant. All that matters is the player's ability (or perceived ability) at the time.

I don't care one way or another about this dead horse, but at least debate the relevant terms.

2007-07-25 20:23:28
517.   Jim Dean
Every starter with a hit, again.
2007-07-25 20:24:02
518.   weeping for brunnhilde
514 Hear, hear.
2007-07-25 20:24:14
519.   BklynBmr
514 Not like him? If he stays, I'll mow the lawn for free on his new digs...
2007-07-25 20:24:23
520.   weeping for brunnhilde
"I can cause accidents too, my little pretty!"
2007-07-25 20:24:46
521.   Mattpat11
Rivera hasn't pitched since Saturday. he needed to get in here.
2007-07-25 20:25:43
522.   BklynBmr
517 Any idea of the team record for that?
2007-07-25 20:25:49
523.   RIYank
517 see 481. And try to pay attention.
2007-07-25 20:26:12
524.   monkeypants
513 Moreover, the argument that RJ should not have been traded because Pavano should have is a false dichotomy.
2007-07-25 20:26:13
525.   weeping for brunnhilde
ha ha hah ah a!!!

One away.

2007-07-25 20:26:46
526.   Chyll Will
Ha! I was just about to suggest that Mo should shatter some freakin' bats! Mo!!
2007-07-25 20:27:11
527.   RIYank
When Mo comes in, they should bring in a special batch of numbered bats, to track how many he breaks.
2007-07-25 20:27:39
528.   weeping for brunnhilde
When Mo pitches like this, I stamp my feet and scream for blood, like a Roman at the Colosseum.
2007-07-25 20:27:48
529.   Mattpat11
524I just think the idea that Cashman has two different standards for players is disconcerting
2007-07-25 20:28:06
530.   RIYank
Our pen now has a string of 8 scoreless innings. Mo is about to make it 8 1/3.
2007-07-25 20:28:30
531.   BklynBmr
524 2004 was the year to get the RJ deal done. It would have meant Cano, but also probably #27...
2007-07-25 20:28:51
532.   weeping for brunnhilde
Mutt.

Little blooper.

2007-07-25 20:29:09
533.   monkeypants
Hmmm...if you were the manager, and you put Mo in to get some work in a blowout (like tonight), would you have him on strict pitch count? Maybe 20 pitches, no matter how many outs he gets?

What d'y'all think?

2007-07-25 20:29:13
534.   RIYank
8 scoreless in KC, I mean. Maybe a longer string.

A broken bat and a bloopy single. Now we need a K for the paradigmatic Mo inning.

2007-07-25 20:29:43
535.   51cq24
524 most of the comparisons are along those lines. it especially doesn't work here when you acknowledge that both should have been made.
2007-07-25 20:30:05
536.   Chyll Will
528 It must be fun at your dinner table >;)
2007-07-25 20:30:07
537.   weeping for brunnhilde
Carve him up, Mo, carve him up!
2007-07-25 20:30:23
538.   RIYank
533 Yes, to make sure he can go tomorrow, right? I would.
Joe's problem is this: he envisions himself taking out Mo, and then everything goes to hell, and he has nobody to go to.

But anyway, it didn't come to that, so, it's all good.

2007-07-25 20:30:31
539.   weeping for brunnhilde
Yaaaaayyyyyyyy!!!

Beautiful game.

Not one complaint.

2007-07-25 20:30:34
540.   Mattpat11
Okay. No need to be angry anymore. Wins are happy.
2007-07-25 20:30:54
541.   Jim Dean
And just think: In one week, Hughes would be pitching the game tomorrow.
2007-07-25 20:31:11
542.   RIYank
536 (Quick, toss him a thigh, that should keep him busy.)
2007-07-25 20:31:13
543.   tommyl
Is that 5.5 back in the division, 4.5 in the WC?
2007-07-25 20:31:58
544.   Chyll Will
Kim Jones looks excited...
2007-07-25 20:32:06
545.   RIYank
541 In one week, he would be pitching tomorrow.

Hmm.

Oh, it's the future pluperfect-adjunctive!

2007-07-25 20:32:23
546.   Jim Dean
541 I have no idea what that means (ask Yogi), but you get the point.

Good night everyone.

2007-07-25 20:32:47
547.   51cq24
531 1. how do we know he would have won a game against boston? 2. would it have been worth it to trade cano?

529 how do you know they are 2 different standards, and so what if they were? randy johnson is very old. even if you think pavano is never healthy, almost no pitchers have ever been dominant at randy's age.

2007-07-25 20:33:02
548.   weeping for brunnhilde
I love Alex.

He's so locked in.

"Wearing this uniform, the New York Yankees, is something special.

"...team goals..."

"Maybe I tried a little too hard."

Please stay, Alex.

2007-07-25 20:33:16
549.   BklynBmr
What Sterling says...

It's been a nice week or so. Every night we've picked up a game (or 1.5) in the WC or division. Keep it rollin', Bombers...

2007-07-25 20:33:54
550.   weeping for brunnhilde
538 Ha ha ha hah!!

That's exactly right.

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2007-07-25 20:35:15
551.   Chyll Will
542 (I'm on it. It just so happens that I have two right here...)
2007-07-25 20:35:21
552.   monkeypants
538 Exactly. Once managers buy into the "closer phliosophy" (and all basically have), they get caught in these catch 22s. You need to give your closer work, but you don't want to put him a throw away game because you may need to use him the next night or two (a distinct possibility since closers get a relatively large number of appearances). This does create problems when your team win big (or loses big) a bunch of games in a row. Torre's hands were tied even more b/c there was no off day this week.
2007-07-25 20:35:33
553.   BklynBmr
547

1. Because that year RJ was still throwing down perfect effing games, and he starts game 7 of the ALCS, not Kevin Brown.

2007-07-25 20:36:13
554.   RIYank
Okay, folks, that's it for me, see youse tomorrow.
I promised myself I'd go to bed early -- 10:30 tonight. Fortunately I am completely unreliable with my promises, otherwise I would have missed 499 by ten minutes.

HA!

2007-07-25 20:39:06
555.   weeping for brunnhilde
554 HA!
2007-07-25 20:39:12
556.   Chyll Will
554 (munch) HA!
2007-07-25 20:41:13
557.   weeping for brunnhilde
All right, Team, more baseball tomorrow.

We're still 6 1/2 back, let's not get too giddy, tempting though it is.

Here's to taking care of business tomorrow.

2007-07-25 20:41:13
558.   Mattpat11
529 If Cashman wanted to sign them, they stayed, if Tampa wanted them, they were gone for whatever was offered.

And Pavano is rarely healthy. And when he is healthy, he's bad. Randy, on the other hand, is often quite good when healthy. Plus he's a draw. Randy Johnson was a far more appealing acquisition

And we decided to play hardball with the other guy.

2007-07-25 20:42:34
559.   yankz
528 has to be the greatest post in the history of Bronx Banter.
2007-07-25 20:43:10
560.   weeping for brunnhilde
Every starter gets a hit.

I'm on the verge of tears, here.

2007-07-25 20:43:25
561.   BklynBmr
557 Hear, hear. Everybody dust their brooms off... Cheers!
2007-07-25 20:44:22
562.   weeping for brunnhilde
559 :)
2007-07-25 20:45:37
563.   weeping for brunnhilde
God, I'm just so happy about this.

They're really playing baseball.

2007-07-25 20:50:51
564.   monkeypants
I shouldn't get sucked in, but....

1978 Comparison Watch: after game 100 in 1978, the Yankees were 55-45, 8 GB, 4th place.

All in all, this season is looking better. It's still a long haul, but very cautious optimism is slowly returning.

2007-07-25 20:51:55
565.   Mattpat11
Igawa goes tomorrow. God damnit.
2007-07-25 20:54:16
566.   weeping for brunnhilde
564 Isn't it, though?
2007-07-25 20:54:49
567.   weeping for brunnhilde
565 No, no. He was good enough to win last time.

He'll be all right.

Positive thinking.

2007-07-25 20:55:18
568.   yankz
According to Pete, Vizcaino was brought in because dry humping sucks.
2007-07-25 20:57:34
569.   monkeypants
567 Yeah, Igawa's smoke and mirrors might work against the sad Royals. Maybe he can steal five or six innings, then let Mordechai Six Pitchers Torre take over.

Or, the offense scores 22 runs and Torre lets Igawa throw 200 pitches before he's shipped off for Hughes.

2007-07-25 20:58:49
570.   weeping for brunnhilde
Joe marvelling about Alex's homer being a line drive. He sounded awestruck.
2007-07-25 21:00:43
571.   BklynBmr
565 Let's enjoy tonight for a few minutes. The bats have been workin' it. The bullpen has been lights out. Iggy is survivable. Hell, he might even hold a lead tomorrow...
2007-07-25 21:02:40
572.   weeping for brunnhilde
569 ha ha hah a.

Exactly.

There's too many ways to win tomorrow.

We have to have that game, it's not house money.

If Igawa goes say five, and can keep it to four or fewer, I like our chances.

He can certainly do that.

2007-07-25 21:05:02
573.   monkeypants
558 "Plus he's a draw."

Yeah, because the Yankees really need to boost attendance:

2007: 52,049
2006: 51,858
2005: 50,499
2004: 47,788
2003: 42,785
.
.
.

2007-07-25 21:06:04
574.   weeping for brunnhilde
Here's SourMoose:

Curveball over whenever he wanted to, could through it on the ground, for strikes, whatever.

Could throw the fastball in and out, mix it up enough to keep 'em off balance.

"We got to 3-1 and I felt pretty good about it."

2007-07-25 21:07:25
575.   weeping for brunnhilde
"Do you think Dotel hit you on purpose?"

Derek, scornfully: "No, Kim, why would he do that? He's my friend."

"You going to play tomorrow?"

Derek, rolling eyes, "Yes, Kim, I'm going to play tomorrow.

2007-07-25 21:11:03
576.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow!!!

Crisp thrown out at the plate on a ball hit by Ortiz into the dragnet, from short right.

And that was the difference in the game.

2007-07-25 21:12:12
577.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, God, this is as close as we got before Colorado, right?

6 1/2?

God, but I want to see 4 1/2.

Who's up after Kansas City?

2007-07-25 21:12:36
578.   BklynBmr
OT: Anyone catch the Rockies-Padres boxscore? Colorado's Aaron Cook: 9 innings. 74 pitches. Scattering 2 runs and 7 hits in there. At home, no less...
2007-07-25 21:14:09
579.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow, Glavin on 299, Alex on 499.

That's pretty cool.

2007-07-25 21:14:11
580.   BklynBmr
577 At Camdem Yards...
2007-07-25 21:14:31
581.   Mattpat11
573 Its another reason why you don't just trade him for whatever's available. Its more leverage on a potential trading partner.
2007-07-25 21:14:41
582.   weeping for brunnhilde
Er, Glavine.
2007-07-25 21:15:33
583.   BklynBmr
580 Just my accent... ;-p
2007-07-25 21:15:33
584.   weeping for brunnhilde
580 Oooh, we have to demolish them.

Is Tejeda still injured?

2007-07-25 21:16:11
585.   weeping for brunnhilde
Tejada.

Jesus, too much Saranac.

2007-07-25 21:16:45
586.   yankz
Kevin Long could be Jim Thome's brother:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LsGeD2sDkhc

2007-07-25 21:18:18
587.   BklynBmr
584 Miggy and Melvin Mora are out...
2007-07-25 21:18:35
588.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn. If only we'd had Chien-Ming's start against Toronto.
2007-07-25 21:19:34
589.   weeping for brunnhilde
587 Excellent.

Damn, I'm getting excited.

Tell me they're not going to break my heart again.

2007-07-25 21:22:33
590.   monkeypants
581 ???
2007-07-25 21:28:46
591.   BklynBmr
589 No broken hearts. It's on now. Yanks just gave everyone the 'ol rope-a-dope once again, and we fell for it ;-)

Man, if they keep this hummin' and get Hughes and Giambi back — home field advantage will be the hot topic before we know it... OK, that's the Jameson talkin', but hey, I can dream, can't I...

2007-07-25 21:32:31
592.   weeping for brunnhilde
Dream on, compadre, dream on!

Right there with you...

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