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2007-04-23 13:26
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

The Devil Rays roster remains the same as it was on Opening Day, but the way Joe Maddon is using it has changed. To begin with, he's switched Rocco Baldelli and Carl Crawford in the order, leading off Baldelli and putting Crawford in the three-spot. He's also been working his four-man bench into the starting lineup with regularity, alternating Brendan Harris at shortstop with the struggling Ben Zobrist, starting Josh Paul behind the plate in two of the last four games in place of the scuffling Dioner Navarro, and setting up a rotation at DH that has allowed him to keep Baldelli and Ty Wigginton in the lineup on a daily basis while also working Elijah Dukes and Carlos Peña in at center field and first base respectively. Maddon will also use Wigginton at second base on occasion to give B. J. Upton a day off or at DH, and has also started Harris at third to give Akinori Iwamura a breather. As a result Jonny Gomes is last on the team in plate appearances, which is good news for the Yankees, though I must admit, I, like Alex, enjoy watching Gomes play.

Thus far Upton has been a world beater at the plate, but has committed five errors at second base. Iwamura has been the quiet surprise I anticipated. Peña has just six hits, but three of them are home runs. Paul is hitting for high average and getting on base, but has no extra-base knocks. Duke and Baldelli have both been struggling, and the team as a whole has been thrown out on 47 percent of its stolen base attempts.

The pitching, meanwhile, has been abysmal outside of the dominant performance of ex-Yankee and current closer Al Reyes. James Shields has been the team's best starter thus far, but has also allowed six homers in four starts. Tonight's starter, Casey Fossum, is the only other Ray with as many as two quality starts in the early going and, in fact, has piched very well after an opening week drubbing at the hands of the Blue Jays. In his last two starts against the Twins in Minnesota and the Orioles at home, Fossum has assembled this line:

14 IP, 11 H, 5 R, 1 HR, 1 BB, 6 K, 0.86 WHIP, 3.21 ERA, 1-0

The good news, of course, is that the Cherry Hill native will have to face a Yankee lineup that's back at full strength. Hideki Matsui returns to left field tonight and is reportedly all the way back from the hamstring injury that place him on the DL during the frigid opening homestand. Joe Torre has said that Jorge Posada will be back in the lineup tonight. Jorge could return as the DH, pushing Jason Giambi into the field, but if he's able to catch, the lefty Fossum will draw Josh Phelps at first base for a line-up that looks like it did on Opening Day

L - Johnny Damon (CF)
R - Derek Jeter (SS)
L - Bobby Abreu (RF)
R - Alex Rodriguez (3B)
L - Jason Giambi (DH)
L - Hideki Matsui (LF)
S - Jorge Posada (C)
L - Robinson Cano (2B)
R - Josh Phelps (1B)

Yum.

Kei Igawa takes the mound for the Yanks. He's improved across the board in each of his last two starts (IP, K, ground ball rate up; H, R, HR, BB, fly ball rate, pitch total down). Here's hoping that trend continues tonight.

By the way, Alex Rodriguez hasn't gone more than two consecutive games without a home run this season. He homered twice on Friday night, but was kept in the park over the last two games in Boston. He has four career dingers off Fossum in 34 at-bats.

Update: Chase Wright was optioned back to double-A to make room for Matsui. That means Kevin Thompson's still around, which suggests that Johnny Damon and his achy back may get the night off against the lefty Fossum on the Tampa turf (even if it's fancy new turf). I would expect Darrell Rasner to be recalled to make Friday's start against Matsuzaka at the Stadium.

Upupdate: Posada catches, Damon sits. Melky starts in center and leads off. Harris, Dukes and Paul start in the field for the Rays. Baldelli is the DH.

Upupandawaydate: Scratch Rasner. Phil Hughes makes his Yankee debut on Thursday against the Blue Jays. Karstens moves to Friday against Matsuzaka. More on Hughes after the game.

Comments (699)
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2007-04-23 14:03:06
1.   seamus
so Wright will NOT start on Friday night as he was optioned for Matsui. So who starts?
2007-04-23 14:07:32
2.   ToyCannon
The Yankee's would be lucky to have James Shields in their rotation at this point. Abysmal hardly seems to be the proper definition for him.
2007-04-23 14:13:14
3.   LI yankee
I think this would be the Bronx Banter certified lineup.
2007-04-23 14:18:35
4.   seamus
3 we need a certification seal of approval.
2007-04-23 14:19:57
5.   seamus
ok, pete a. just posted the lineup. not exactly what we wanted, but at least there is no stink:

Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi DH
Matsui LF
Posada C
Cano 2B
Phelps 1B

2007-04-23 14:20:41
6.   Mattpat11
Is Rasner eligible to start Friday? Doesn't he have to be down ten days?
2007-04-23 14:22:44
7.   SteveF
The handy 'Upcoming Schedule' to the right indicates Friday's Yankee starter will be Rasner.

Pitching matchups seem much more even this time around, though Wakefield's performances can vary greatly start to start and it's not yet clear how much rust Wang will need to shake off.

And I suppose the jury is still out on the japanese pitchers. So I suppose when I say even I mean equally filled with question marks.

2007-04-23 14:44:37
8.   Knuckles
I have a confession to make: the email address jeffkarstens@gmail.com belongs to me. I created it just over a year ago, at a point in time where I (kinda) knew who Karstens was, but was just looking for a "normal" fake name I could remember. I used it to email the Quite Frankly show with Screamin A. Smith, back when they were having trouble filling their taping audience. I was hoping to score about 40 tickets and no-show that day, leaving his studio empty. Alas, my nefarious plot fell through after much back and forth with the producer, who eventually wanted a mailing address.

Maybe if Jeff K. hits it big, I can email him and offer him his rightful address.

At any rate, I am not Rob Gee, Jim Dean, Debris, or Monkeyball, though I would be extremely surprised if those 4 log-ons are actually comprised of 4 separate individual people.

2007-04-23 14:48:16
9.   C2Coke
Jorge is the tough man. Chase is however back in the minor nursing his wounds. Making history in his second start in MLB must had been tough for the kid.
2007-04-23 14:50:12
10.   C2Coke
8 LMAO.
2007-04-23 14:50:24
11.   NJYankee41
Mike and the Mad Dog just announced Hughes is gonna make his debut on Thursday.
2007-04-23 14:51:15
12.   C2Coke
11 What? Was that a joke? Please fill us in.
2007-04-23 14:52:07
13.   seamus
11 i second 12. huh? serious?
2007-04-23 14:52:40
14.   NJYankee41
12 No joke. They were just talking about for the last ten minutes. I guess they just decided its time and I guess SWB is already in Canada (Ottawa) so they felt that would be the best time.
2007-04-23 14:53:11
15.   seamus
ok. i see on nyyfans.com that Kay reported it as well. wow!
2007-04-23 14:53:18
16.   NJYankee41
14 Since they are playing Toronto that is.
2007-04-23 14:54:09
17.   NJYankee41
I can't help but to think it may be too early, but nevertheless I'm pretty pumped.
2007-04-23 14:56:34
18.   monkeypants
Melky at lead-off not the best right now, but this lineup is FAR better then the starting arrangement last night.

Also, please do no confuse me (Monkeypants) with Monkeyball!

2007-04-23 14:56:40
19.   seamus
16 i would also guess so that he doesn't have to start against Boston first time out.
2007-04-23 14:57:15
20.   seamus
18 shutup rongee monkeyball!
2007-04-23 14:59:14
21.   C2Coke
14 Is it like a temporary solution?
2007-04-23 14:59:33
22.   monkeypants
20 ?
2007-04-23 14:59:48
23.   NJYankee41
19 Yeah that too. That would be the worst thing to do because he might struggle a bit in the beginning and we don't need ESPN jumpin all over him.
2007-04-23 15:01:03
24.   NJYankee41
21 I really have no idea. I assume if he pitches well and stays healthy they will keep him here.
2007-04-23 15:01:26
25.   C2Coke
22 That had to be a joke. You've been here too long for us to get confused.
2007-04-23 15:03:41
26.   seamus
22 i was just kidding.
2007-04-23 15:07:45
27.   RichYF
21 I seriously hope so.

I do agree that he doesn't need to be "babied" any longer, but simultaenously I don't want to see a Liriano/Hernandez/Prior/Wood or even Garza situation.

It's not like they can limit his innings either. That's clearly not the answer. What good is another 5 inning pitcher? Hell, Jaret Wright might have made us all cry, but he usually pitched 5 pretty decent innings. Hughes for 5 is not really helpful. Especially if the kid is lights out.

2007-04-23 15:08:34
28.   monkeypants
21, 25 No problem; I was just confused because I forgot who (what?) rongee is/was. Actually, I am generally a little confused.
2007-04-23 15:10:56
29.   monkeypants
27 Good point. He probably should be kept on a strict pitch count, but that just furthers the troubvling trend of starters only going five (if they're lucky) innings. It doesn't really do any good to have him pitch infrequently--maybe this is just a spot start and then back to AAA.

Now, if spots 1-4 were doing their jobs, he would make a slick 5-inning #5 starter.

2007-04-23 15:13:33
30.   C2Coke
The rotation is interesting.

Thurs: Hughes
Fri: Karsten
Sat: Igawa
Sun: Wang

2007-04-23 15:15:04
31.   seamus
30 well, can't complain about our old rotation anymore! :)
2007-04-23 15:16:03
32.   Bama Yankee
8 Funny stuff, Knuckles.

You can get jeffkarstens@gmail.com and I can't even get any variation of Bama Yankee at Yahoo or Gmail without adding a number to it. I guess Jeff does not use the free email sites and there must be only one Jeff Karstens in the world (unlike the Karim Garcias of the world... BTW, karimgarcia@yahoo.com and whoiskarimgarcia@yahoo.com are both taken).

2007-04-23 15:17:03
33.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Suuuweeeet. St. Phil is here.

Should've gotten a taste of the show last September, and I was in favor of him pitching in Oakland last weekend, where he could benefit from a weak hitting team and a pitcher's park, but better late than never.

2007-04-23 15:19:45
34.   Bama Yankee
28 I think he meant Rob Gee (aka Jim Dean until proven otherwise).
2007-04-23 15:24:31
35.   monkeypants
34 Now that's a name I remember! I've never seen Rob Gee and Jim Dean in photos together...
2007-04-23 15:24:50
36.   seamus
34 yeah, rob gee.

28 my bad. wasn't funny and very vague.

2007-04-23 15:31:41
37.   Simone
34 It seems so obvious now that have you have point out it out. How did you figure it out?
2007-04-23 15:57:55
38.   Simone
Someone tell Bob Ley to shut his pie hole. Thanks.

Next time the Yankees play the Red Sox, I hope that they hit Ortiz and Manny to help Dice-K control his pitches.

2007-04-23 15:58:50
39.   Max Nomad
Wait, didn't Hughes pitch Wednesday? So a 8 days between starts?
2007-04-23 15:59:45
40.   Max Nomad
And aren't the Yanks at home against Toronto?
2007-04-23 16:04:15
41.   yankz
Oh my god. I just read that Phil is pitching. WOW I can't wait.
2007-04-23 16:05:32
42.   yankz
I seriously can't remember feeling a rush like this. YES I can't WAIT!
2007-04-23 16:05:59
43.   Vandelay Industries
38

Kruk made some good points. I just hope the Sox play a team with a manager with some balls. Dice-K has hit far too many people, all studs by the way, and hasn't even been warned, while others this year have been ejected for doing just that following home runs.

Look, he's going to hit you anyway, so you are not putting your lineup in danger by hitting Manny and Ortiz. This boy needs an education. He may have learned how to pitch in America, but he hasn't learned the consequences. You cant pitch inside if you dont know how to do it. Which I dont think is the case. I think he's hit every one of those five batters on purpose, and its time someone stood up and said, enough before he hurts someone. He missed Ichiro's head by 2 inches for Christ's sake. But then again, he is making money for MLB, so I am sure the Umpires have been told to go easy on him by the Commissioners office. What other explanation is there for the disparite treatment? He hasn't even been warned, let alone tossed. God I hope Barry breaks the record in Milwaukee. He is just a big enough ass to do it to make a point, and I hope he does. It's all in your lap Bud.

2007-04-23 16:08:14
44.   Max Nomad
I'm getting the Rays feed on MLB.tv
2007-04-23 16:10:08
45.   C2Coke
44 Yep. So far this year, MLB.TV seems to be sticking to home feed. At least it's predictable unlike last year.
2007-04-23 16:12:15
46.   Max Nomad
That SUCKED Jete
2007-04-23 16:14:11
47.   mehmattski
1) I'm getting YES on Extra Innings. That's interesting.

2) Jim Dean can't be Rob Gee. Rob Gee called me an "ignorant stathead" while Jim Dean has been known to use SABR stats and occasionally agrees with me. So there.

3) Those cowbells are freaking annoying.

2007-04-23 16:16:28
48.   rbj
That was a funny ESPN ad.
2007-04-23 16:17:25
49.   Mattpat11
Why is the camera all the way to the right?
2007-04-23 16:18:00
50.   rbj
Ooooh, the YES feed. Sweet.
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2007-04-23 16:18:29
51.   Max Nomad
50 MLBtv?
2007-04-23 16:20:09
52.   C2Coke
47 Those cowbells are indeed annoying. Why did they give those out? To distract the Yankees?
2007-04-23 16:20:26
53.   Mattpat11
I like watching the Brendan Harris's do well. Eventually, they decide they're good, and the inevitable collapse is fun to watch. Casey Blake last year was a good example.
2007-04-23 16:23:37
54.   Max Nomad
great play by arod!
2007-04-23 16:27:45
55.   rbj
Oh, yeah!
2007-04-23 16:27:48
56.   SpoonG91
Great play in field=great play at bat
2007-04-23 16:28:00
57.   Max Nomad
coddmeyer!
2007-04-23 16:28:00
58.   Mattpat11
This is getting pretty routine
2007-04-23 16:28:09
59.   seamus
arod is ridiculous. we are so spoiled...
2007-04-23 16:28:10
60.   Simone
Yeah, Alex!
2007-04-23 16:28:13
61.   3rd gen yankee fan
buh bye
2007-04-23 16:28:26
62.   C2Coke
Man, Arod is just doing his usual routine.
2007-04-23 16:28:37
63.   SpoonG91
Looking foward to Igawa vs. Iwamura
2007-04-23 16:28:55
64.   seamus
62 i don't even get that excited. I just expect it.
2007-04-23 16:29:07
65.   Max Nomad
good hustle there
2007-04-23 16:29:13
66.   rbj
I am always worried when Jason tries to run out a double.
2007-04-23 16:29:34
67.   C2Coke
Wow, Giambi made it a double! I thought for sure with his legs it was gonna be a far single.
2007-04-23 16:29:37
68.   Dimelo
Pinch run for him!!!!
Pinch run for him!!!!
2007-04-23 16:29:53
69.   SpoonG91
Why bring Matsui back against a lefty?
2007-04-23 16:30:08
70.   Max Nomad
arod is so hot we dont notice giambis run
2007-04-23 16:31:04
71.   C2Coke
69 Because he's ready to come back.
2007-04-23 16:31:05
72.   seamus
69 why not?
2007-04-23 16:31:20
73.   Max Nomad
69 cuz its freakin fossum
2007-04-23 16:31:53
74.   Simone
Nice, Jason.

When the Sacramento fans used to ring cowbells to rattle the opposing team, Phil Jackson called Sacramento, a "cow town" and that their fans "semi-civilized" and "maybe redneck in some form or fashion." That insult always stuck in my head. Very appropriate for Tampa and their fans.

2007-04-23 16:31:55
75.   Max Nomad
...and matsui hits lefties
2007-04-23 16:33:56
76.   Mattpat11
75 Not as well as righties, but he's not embarrssing either
2007-04-23 16:34:18
77.   Chyll Will
Oh well...
2007-04-23 16:34:25
78.   Max Nomad
damn DPs
2007-04-23 16:35:19
79.   Max Nomad
76 I need you in my pocket so I can take you out and ask you these things before you inevitably correct me on Banter :-P
2007-04-23 16:36:25
80.   thelarmis
hi all! just now getting to check in. haven't even read cliff's team post or the comments yet...

soooo nice to see mats and jorgie back! a-rod killin' it on both sides of the ball. simply unreal! jason showing off the wheels, yo!

so wright was wrong and phil franchise is on his way. it's a new in Yankee South and hopefully we'll crush fossum. he was on the shit sox and the shit bax, so i'm not a fan!

boston down early. it'll be a long night with sut on the suds, but hopefully we get the W and gain a game back in the standings.

let's go yan-kees!!!

2007-04-23 16:37:17
81.   C2Coke
Big Japanese moment.
2007-04-23 16:37:21
82.   kylepetterson
I've got a fever, and the only cure is more cowbell.
2007-04-23 16:37:54
83.   mehmattski
How does Joe Girardi not have a manager's job. Jeff Loria is an idiot.
2007-04-23 16:38:13
84.   Orly Yarly NoWai
Iwamura: 3B, SS, 2B, LF, RF, CF?
2007-04-23 16:38:14
85.   seamus
76 barely. His 3 year split from 2004-2006 shows a .302 average against both lefties and righties. He has a slightly higher slugging against righties.
2007-04-23 16:38:29
86.   thelarmis
kei probably feeling the weight of an entire nation right now. just seems like a regular AB to me.

ah, just settin' up the double play. good thinkin' quest! ; )

2007-04-23 16:38:37
87.   C2Coke
82 Can't believe there are 7 more innings to go with those things.
2007-04-23 16:39:34
88.   seamus
87 don't the fans want it to stop too?
2007-04-23 16:39:45
89.   Orly Yarly NoWai
I love seeing Posada and Quest jabbering away at each other. I wonder what language they're using...
2007-04-23 16:40:32
90.   mehmattski
89 Esperanto?
2007-04-23 16:40:33
91.   Orly Yarly NoWai
The triple play is set up...
2007-04-23 16:41:05
92.   C2Coke
88 Oh, I hope so. Pretty soon, those cowbells are gonna give me some serious headaches.

Those walks...

2007-04-23 16:41:21
93.   Mattpat11
85I was looking at his whole career. He has nearly identical batting averages righty and lefty. He gets on a little more against righties and hits for a little more power. He's still good against both.
2007-04-23 16:42:02
94.   Mattpat11
{89] What the hell is wrong with you?" is universal.
2007-04-23 16:42:22
95.   Mattpat11
damnit. My joke was blown by faulty brackets
2007-04-23 16:42:27
96.   OldYanksFan
Porgese?
2007-04-23 16:42:42
97.   C2Coke
29 pitches with 16 balls. 89 That should work.
2007-04-23 16:43:40
98.   mehmattski
"Pastadiving" Jeter. Meh.
2007-04-23 16:44:13
99.   seamus
he isn't throwing strikes again. i like igawa but if he doesn't throw strikes he is not going to succeed.
2007-04-23 16:44:18
100.   rbj
Grrrr.
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2007-04-23 16:44:35
101.   C2Coke
Gotta be those cowbells.
2007-04-23 16:45:13
102.   seamus
The TB announcers just declared that the Yankees might be subject to a letdown. because TB scored 1 run?
2007-04-23 16:46:04
103.   SpoonG91
When is Baldelli a free agent? He would be an immediate fan favorite.
2007-04-23 16:46:05
104.   rbj
Frak!
2007-04-23 16:46:20
105.   mehmattski
Phil Hughes can pitch every day when he comes up, right?
2007-04-23 16:46:22
106.   C2Coke
Sigh...gotta be those cowbells.
2007-04-23 16:46:26
107.   3rd gen yankee fan
:::sigh:::
2007-04-23 16:46:29
108.   bartap74
The fact that Baldelli is on my fantasy team is no consolation.
2007-04-23 16:46:32
109.   Max Nomad
igawa dont have it tonight. we just need innings. What the hell is that fog horn?
2007-04-23 16:46:32
110.   Chyll Will
aww crap... who's teaching him how to hold the ball???
2007-04-23 16:46:39
111.   Mattpat11
Oh Christ. If the Yankees of the last four years have taught me anything, we've had our last big hit off Fossum and will eventually lose 5-3.
2007-04-23 16:47:43
112.   mehmattski
103 He's signed through 2008. Just in time for Damon to move to LF.
2007-04-23 16:48:06
113.   williamnyy23
This staff is really disgusting.
2007-04-23 16:48:23
114.   Zack
Well just checking in. The bad: Igawa gives up a bomb to baldelli right as I do. The Good: Arod homered again. The best: Just saw Hughes is pitching Thursday! :)
2007-04-23 16:49:02
115.   Chyll Will
Maybe A-Rod will hit a six-run homer next inning...
2007-04-23 16:49:11
116.   rbj
Sorry, Kei, you've gotta stay out there.
2007-04-23 16:49:15
117.   williamnyy23
If I was Arod, I'd see if I could opt out now. I know the Yankees were looking to have Arod carry the team, but this getting ridiculous.
2007-04-23 16:49:18
118.   C2Coke
Who's coming in from the bullpen later? EDSP gets the day off right? Bruney and Henn?
2007-04-23 16:50:02
119.   seamus
Igawa is driving me nuts.
2007-04-23 16:50:11
120.   Mattpat11
This was such a stupid signing.
2007-04-23 16:50:50
121.   C2Coke
116 Hopefully Torre is thinking the same thing.
2007-04-23 16:50:58
122.   3rd gen yankee fan
This is gonna be another five-hour game.
2007-04-23 16:52:01
123.   williamnyy23
Awful tag by Jeter.
2007-04-23 16:52:25
124.   C2Coke
120 The same rule should apply. Good or bad, the season just started.

Those base stealing...

2007-04-23 16:53:26
125.   mehmattski
All right, I didn't want to do it, but my hand has been forced.

I, mehmattski, will come out of retirement to pitch for the NY Yankees. Fear no more.

2007-04-23 16:54:21
126.   Chyll Will
Well Kei, ya gotta take one for the team tonight buddy...
2007-04-23 16:54:34
127.   Orly Yarly NoWai
I could throw a better lefty changeup than Kei right now, and I've never pitched in my life.

Also I am right-handed.

2007-04-23 16:55:09
128.   rbj
Yay Phelps! And Wang tomorrow!
2007-04-23 16:55:10
129.   SpoonG91
How many of those can Minky give you?!
2007-04-23 16:55:19
130.   seamus
Why isn't Minky in there? We're stuck with this scrub?
2007-04-23 16:55:21
131.   3rd gen yankee fan
Wow, who's this Phelps guy??? ;-)
2007-04-23 16:55:46
132.   Orly Yarly NoWai
Close play on the bunt there. Almost made it.
2007-04-23 16:55:47
133.   Mattpat11
124The same rule as what?
2007-04-23 16:56:08
134.   C2Coke
The Yanks should really try and see if they can polish Phelp's catching skill. If that works out, everyone is happy.
2007-04-23 16:56:08
135.   seamus
133 as common sense?
2007-04-23 16:56:19
136.   Chyll Will
120 Hmm, how about Josh Phelps?

Melky lays it down...

2007-04-23 16:56:35
137.   thelarmis
okay, i'm all caught up at the banter!

ugh on igawa.

i love cowbells (have 5 of them on my drumkit), but this is ricockulous!

yeah, phelps! actually a nice bunt for melk. if we don't score here, i'm lighting myself on fire...again. hey schteeve, hope you don't mind passing the, um, torch! ; )

2007-04-23 16:56:37
138.   Max Nomad
apparently fossum "pounced on that bal like Rocky the Flying Squirrel"
2007-04-23 16:56:43
139.   C2Coke
135 Thanks.
2007-04-23 16:57:42
140.   Zack
Even more reason to start Phelps!
2007-04-23 16:58:02
141.   3rd gen yankee fan
137 Damn, you're a chick AND you play drums? AND you're a Yankee fan? You rock.
2007-04-23 16:58:31
142.   Chyll Will
134 Except you can never please JD, you know...

Good, chippin' away...

2007-04-23 16:58:35
143.   mehmattski
Wait, centerfielders can have good arms? I thought that was against the rules.
2007-04-23 16:58:36
144.   rbj
Gets the job done

Wow, that was closer than I thought it should have been.

2007-04-23 16:58:39
145.   3rd gen yankee fan
sa-WEET
2007-04-23 16:58:43
146.   seamus
that was too close. what a throw!
2007-04-23 16:58:44
147.   SpoonG91
What....a....gun
2007-04-23 16:58:48
148.   Mattpat11
Did the catcher think there was a force play? Why id he arguing a play where he didn't try to tag the guy?
2007-04-23 16:58:54
149.   C2Coke
Wow. Phelps da man this inning.
2007-04-23 16:59:03
150.   thelarmis
that was closer than it shoulda been. deficit cut in half.
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2007-04-23 16:59:52
151.   Mattpat11
I throw a ball 45 mph.
2007-04-23 17:00:02
152.   rbj
Bobby gets on, A-Rod bombs again. Game all tied up.
2007-04-23 17:00:57
153.   C2Coke
152 Get them next time.
2007-04-23 17:01:31
154.   thelarmis
141 whoa, jen!!! how am i a chick?! when did that happen?! i do have long hair, but nope, i'm a dude. but, if you find a chick that plays drums and is a yankee fan (preferably tall, skinny, blonde), please send her my way!!! : )

do i still rock even though i'm a guy???

2007-04-23 17:03:09
155.   Zack
I really wish Phil Hughes was added to my yahoo fntasy baseball league already so I can add him. I have this very bad feeling that one of the other guys in the league will snatch him up (they are all Sox fans)...ugh
2007-04-23 17:03:11
156.   Chyll Will
154 Hmmmm...
2007-04-23 17:03:55
157.   thelarmis
156 why's everyone picking on me now?! what'd i did? ; )
2007-04-23 17:04:53
158.   seamus
157 are you the real rob gee?
2007-04-23 17:05:30
159.   seamus
157 btw, i'm obviously just being idiotically silly tonight. cmon igawa!
2007-04-23 17:06:32
160.   Chyll Will
Oh, nuthin'... >;)

Kei witda K...

2007-04-23 17:06:43
161.   C2Coke
This is hilarious. Japanese announcers.
2007-04-23 17:06:46
162.   SpoonG91
John Sterling says Rays will trade Baldelli for pitching....if only we had any :)
2007-04-23 17:07:14
163.   Zack
So many Colter Bean and Kei Igawa haters. me, I am on their bandwagons...
2007-04-23 17:07:24
164.   3rd gen yankee fan
154 Damn I'm sorry. I musta got you mixed up with someone else!

Yeah I guess you can still rock. ;-)

2007-04-23 17:07:51
165.   thelarmis
158 i think it was shaun p that suggested that once during the offseason. i'm waaaay too non-confrontational.

nope, i'm just Thelarmis, some guy who plays drums for a living.

as far as you know... ; )

2007-04-23 17:08:00
166.   Max Nomad
rays tv switched over to japanese announcer feed for iwamura's AB. cool.
2007-04-23 17:08:13
167.   C2Coke
I wish most of the American announcers can sound as calm like the Japanese ones.
2007-04-23 17:08:38
168.   Chyll Will
"That was YOUR ball! "
2007-04-23 17:09:27
169.   SpoonG91
John Sterling advocates International world series by claiming there are "super fast speed planes"
2007-04-23 17:09:28
170.   Orly Yarly NoWai
If there were asian elves, they would look like Akinori Iwamura.
2007-04-23 17:09:50
171.   rbj
Looks like he's settling down.
2007-04-23 17:10:03
172.   seamus
igawa has real potential. he needs to throw strikes and get his groove earlier in the game.
2007-04-23 17:10:37
173.   Max Nomad
Igawa has a good changeup, he's shown that. But he can rarely control it so far. MLB baseballs the difference?
2007-04-23 17:10:46
174.   seamus
168 i stepped out for a minute. did i miss something?
2007-04-23 17:10:49
175.   thelarmis
164 oh, tis all good!

i mostly play jazz, so that's more swingin' than rockin', but on this thread, i'd be very afraid to use the word swing and not in baseball terms...! : ~

2007-04-23 17:11:45
176.   Chyll Will
167 Were they that calm when Godzilla and Mothra were stomping downtown Tokyo like anthills? That would be a very high level of chill...
2007-04-23 17:12:24
177.   Max Nomad
176 Matsui stomped Tokyo?! No way!
2007-04-23 17:13:41
178.   NJYankee41
Is it too early to start to think about the triple crown?
2007-04-23 17:13:42
179.   C2Coke
176 LOL.

Arod. (I don't know what else to say.)

2007-04-23 17:13:46
180.   Chyll Will
168 Nope. Just a single, no need for alarm... AH, A-Rod promoting the theory again...
2007-04-23 17:13:51
181.   thelarmis
alex is unstoppable! how bout a stolen bag and another run scored on a giambino hustlin' double...
2007-04-23 17:14:40
182.   williamnyy23
Dukes' arm is ridiculous.
2007-04-23 17:14:40
183.   rbj
Way to give me a heart attack, Alex!
2007-04-23 17:14:44
184.   thelarmis
way to hustle a-rod!!!

let's tie the biatch up!

2007-04-23 17:15:25
185.   3rd gen yankee fan
MAN did he overslide the bag! Man that was close!
2007-04-23 17:15:30
186.   thelarmis
182 it's true, but we got in safely twice now. whew!

it's gotta be the socks...

2007-04-23 17:15:30
187.   C2Coke
181 Your predictions were pretty close. Arod was definitely safe.
2007-04-23 17:15:46
188.   Chyll Will
177 I believe that's Orly's territory, I dare not impose... >;)
2007-04-23 17:15:48
189.   mehmattski
Markusen's words about CFs playing too deep today ring true for Dukes. Elijah could throw Giambi out at first if he played shallower. With speedy Crawford and Young flanking him, why not take a few steps in?
2007-04-23 17:15:55
190.   thelarmis
185 man or WOman? ; )
2007-04-23 17:16:08
191.   Zack
A-Rod has literally carried my otherwise crappy fantasy team into first place thus far. Insane
2007-04-23 17:16:22
192.   seamus
180 ok thanks.
2007-04-23 17:16:31
193.   C2Coke
182 Totally. Those hits were pretty far.
2007-04-23 17:16:53
194.   bartap74
There's ARod trying to pad his stats again.
2007-04-23 17:17:28
195.   rbj
That's another run.
2007-04-23 17:17:32
196.   Chyll Will
Chips Ahoy!
2007-04-23 17:17:40
197.   thelarmis
i'll take it. 4-3, inching back...
2007-04-23 17:18:02
198.   3rd gen yankee fan
190 Man, MAN, MAN!!! Drummers, I tell ya...
2007-04-23 17:18:21
199.   C2Coke
It's so good to have Matsui back.
2007-04-23 17:18:49
200.   thelarmis
deflating.

1-2-3 no contact, please!

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2007-04-23 17:18:50
201.   C2Coke
Third DP tonight?
2007-04-23 17:18:56
202.   Max Nomad
I HATE 3 DPs
2007-04-23 17:18:57
203.   seamus
damnit. when posada came up i thought DP just because of how slow those two are.
2007-04-23 17:19:37
204.   Zack
A nice, methodical scoring system goign on. Great to see us get those runners in from third when we so often seem to fail at that
2007-04-23 17:19:38
205.   thelarmis
198 : )
2007-04-23 17:20:30
206.   Max Nomad
191 He's carried your reality team too
2007-04-23 17:20:45
207.   Chyll Will
199 Yeah, Jorge's good, but no one grounds into double plays quite like him >;)
2007-04-23 17:21:03
208.   thelarmis
204 everyone remember the adam laroche story?

his mom told him once he was as slow as molasses and adam asked, "Who's Molasses?"

pathetic thing is, i would've done the same! : ~

2007-04-23 17:21:46
209.   thelarmis
doh!, i meant to link to 203, my bad.
2007-04-23 17:22:23
210.   thelarmis
it's not the swing Sut, it's the socks! gotta be the socks... ; )
2007-04-23 17:23:51
211.   thelarmis
how was that fair?!
2007-04-23 17:23:56
212.   Orly Yarly NoWai
WHAT! I'd swear that was foul...
2007-04-23 17:23:59
213.   Chyll Will
208 The superhero version of Karim Garcia?
2007-04-23 17:24:22
214.   mehmattski
Hooks it around the Upton-pole. Hey, it's gotta be named sometime.
2007-04-23 17:24:23
215.   thelarmis
um, hello, hello?

where'd everyone go?

ok, ok. my name is rob gee and i'm a girl...

2007-04-23 17:24:30
216.   seamus
208 great saying though for those of us who cook with molasses.
2007-04-23 17:24:33
217.   3rd gen yankee fan
uh... WHAT? rragh!!!
2007-04-23 17:24:39
218.   C2Coke
Those freaking cowbells.

211 Hit the pole.

2007-04-23 17:24:55
219.   thelarmis
did they even show a replay?!

if so, i missed it...

2007-04-23 17:25:20
220.   C2Coke
215 LOL.
2007-04-23 17:25:56
221.   Zack
Good lord Igawa
2007-04-23 17:26:01
222.   thelarmis
pedroia goes wall ball, sux winning. : (
2007-04-23 17:26:19
223.   C2Coke
It's kinda hard to handle these one good one bad innings.
2007-04-23 17:26:52
224.   3rd gen yankee fan
219 Yeah it hit the pole.
2007-04-23 17:27:03
225.   mehmattski
223 It's like Good Moose/Bad Moose, except inning by inning instead of start by start.
2007-04-23 17:27:03
226.   C2Coke
Call to the bullpen already...sigh...
2007-04-23 17:27:25
227.   Mattpat11
Part of the problem I've always had with signing a schlub just to be a "fifth starter!" is when things go wrong, he's well below fifth starter quality. When things go right, the ceiling is fifth starter. We should try to pitch the five best guys we can find. The idea that we need a fifth starter to be a bad pitcher is stupid.
2007-04-23 17:27:57
228.   C2Coke
Bean again? Wow, that's something new.
2007-04-23 17:28:25
229.   williamnyy23
I think the Yankees are in trouble. They are now at the point where Hughes HAS to be a stud and Pavano HAS to come back healthy and effective.

After an optimistic off season, somehow I've been transported back to 1988.

2007-04-23 17:28:29
230.   thelarmis
224 ah, thanks. i had hit mute and looked away. bollocks.

will igawa even get thru 5?

2007-04-23 17:28:35
231.   3rd gen yankee fan
206 Good one.
2007-04-23 17:29:14
232.   C2Coke
227 Find someone who's available and call Cashman.

Nice sighting of Wang. He's sorely missed.

2007-04-23 17:29:43
233.   Max Nomad
Apparently Arod's homer tied the april record for AL
2007-04-23 17:29:44
234.   Chyll Will
227 That damn Clemens! HE would make a pretty good fifth starter!
2007-04-23 17:30:32
235.   mehmattski
232 We've already had two volunteers: 125 127.
2007-04-23 17:30:43
236.   Zack
What do you think Igawa is just some "schlub?" Because he doesn't throw super hard? because he hasn't come right out of the shoot and dominated? Hes pitched quite well in two of four starts, and obviously is going to take some time to get adjusted. Hes a legit #4-5, not a replacement pitcher.
2007-04-23 17:31:07
237.   Max Nomad
Igawa has got to gut this out, this is ridiculous. Wang might give innings tomorrow, but he's a slow starter.
2007-04-23 17:31:43
238.   Mattpat11
232 Explain the logic in signing someone to be bad. It makes no sense to me. If we're going to throw someone out there specifically to suck, we might as well save 50 million and throw a minor leaguer out there.

292 if the season depends on pavano being worth a damn, we should pack it in.

2007-04-23 17:31:52
239.   Chyll Will
I'm rooting for Barbara Smith to win the Grand Slam Inning...
2007-04-23 17:32:08
240.   Orly Yarly NoWai
Cash money Cano.
2007-04-23 17:32:09
241.   seamus
YES!!!
2007-04-23 17:32:13
242.   thelarmis
thank you, robbie! dead center BOMB! 5-4
2007-04-23 17:32:45
243.   JeremyM
Nice job by Cano, first of the year!
2007-04-23 17:32:54
244.   Chyll Will
Well, what does she win for that?
2007-04-23 17:33:02
245.   mehmattski
That was incredible. Cano is my hero.
2007-04-23 17:33:05
246.   Zack
229 No, the Yanks are only in trouble if Moose can't get it together. If he can, they have Wang, Pettitte, and Moose as a good three, and Hughes as better than most #4s by the season's end, and I would put money on Igawa being a very good #5 in another month. Pavano will pitch again, just not for a few weeks (or more!).
2007-04-23 17:33:17
247.   JeremyM
227 I agree, and the same thing goes for backup catchers!
2007-04-23 17:33:40
248.   thelarmis
233 nope, he tied gonzo ('roids) and griffey jr. for 2nd most in april (13). he needs 1 more to tie poo-holes for most april homers at 14...
2007-04-23 17:34:28
249.   thelarmis
233 doh, my bad - apologies! i just saw the AL thing. oops. i would think he has the AL record, no?
2007-04-23 17:34:47
250.   yankz
57 Hey, my nickname's catching on!

Proxy is slow today, so not much commenting for me.

A-God is...A God.

Go yankees! Go Quest!

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2007-04-23 17:35:49
251.   Mattpat11
236 He's a man that was projected as nothing more than a fourth starter. With the possibility of being nothing more than a bullpen arm.

I'll say it again. I'm not a fan of signing fourth and fifth starters. If you can't find someone good to fill out the rotation, save yourself the money and aggravation and pull someone of the minors. Let that guy give you 170 innings of below average pitching. Don't waste money on it.

2007-04-23 17:36:12
252.   Zack
Shoot, if Igawa can go two more innings without a run, he will put in a Beckett start, and according to Sox fans and the press, thats good enough for a standing O and Ace status!
2007-04-23 17:37:07
253.   Chyll Will
Creepin'up on'em...
2007-04-23 17:37:38
254.   LI yankee
Wow, if Fossum leaves some of those hangers against A-Rod, have mercy.
2007-04-23 17:37:48
255.   JimCobain
I would like to throw a question out to ya'll... Phil Hughes is on a strict pitch count, is he really the answer. We're trying to save our pullpen, do we need another 6 inning starter? I know those 6 might be of higher quality but there is no hope of him going 7 or 8 because he will have a lesh this year. Thoughts?
2007-04-23 17:38:10
256.   Zack
251 Yeah, because signing/trading for #1 guys is so easy and has worked so well for us these past few years. Just because a guy is projected to be a #4 doesn't mean he sucks, it means he will give you about 170-200 innings of slightly ABOVE average pitching, especially when your #1-3 are Wang, Moose, and Pettitte.
2007-04-23 17:39:18
257.   Max Nomad
250 Sylvester III, yea?
2007-04-23 17:39:21
258.   thelarmis
that was pitch #90.

blue jays go ahead, 3-2 on a big hurt homer!

2007-04-23 17:39:55
259.   Orly Yarly NoWai
"Who says chicks are wimps?"

"What is that thing?"

"It's a fish head and I'm scared."

SCREAM!

Case closed!

2007-04-23 17:39:58
260.   Zack
I'll take 6 innings of hopefulyl keeping us in the game vs 3-4 innings of not keeping us in the game. Pitching 6 innings is just fine, our BP can handle three innings of work. its when they leave after 4-5, and are usually losing, that kills them...
2007-04-23 17:40:03
261.   williamnyy23
The entire staff is composed of scary flyball guys. If you really want to panic, take a look at the Yankees pitchers' strikeouts.
2007-04-23 17:40:18
262.   thelarmis
erin andrews looks great tonite!

not so smart to have one hand in the water and one on a mic though...

2007-04-23 17:40:26
263.   Max Nomad
252 Ha!
2007-04-23 17:41:20
264.   thelarmis
they're squaring up against quest pretty good. please don't walk your countryman again. DP and then EDSP, i guess... : ~
2007-04-23 17:41:47
265.   Zack
I suspect Igawa is in there to pitch 6 no matter the pitch count, and he should...If Joe can resist the urge to use EDSP
2007-04-23 17:41:58
266.   Max Nomad
261 I was just gonna say that Igawa is Prince of the Scary Fly Ball Guys. Or is that Hairy Fly Ball Guys, yankz?
2007-04-23 17:42:42
267.   Max Nomad
PHUCK
2007-04-23 17:42:54
268.   JimCobain
Sigh. Would be nice to hold them down for one freaking inning after we score.
2007-04-23 17:43:01
269.   thelarmis
christ almighty. this is infuriating. i'm pouring the gasoline now...
2007-04-23 17:43:11
270.   Zack
Man, Iwamura owns Igawa...Ouch
2007-04-23 17:43:53
271.   Chyll Will
252 So much for that... well, let's look at our next ace, Mr. Bean!
2007-04-23 17:44:01
272.   mehmattski
Bean. Colter Bean.

Just call him Bean Daddy when he backs that ass up...

2007-04-23 17:44:03
273.   JeremyM
Boy, I feel really bad for the guy, he looks crushed, but what a terrible start.
2007-04-23 17:45:17
274.   Zack
Is Bean coming in again? Man, back to back sightings! Of course, I'm sure pitchign two innings two days in a row won't help his arm much, but who cares, we'll never see him again :)
2007-04-23 17:46:53
275.   williamnyy23
This is ridiculous! It's the curse of Jaret Wright. We all mocked his 5 inning starts, but now the Yankees would kill to have their starters go 5.
2007-04-23 17:47:05
276.   C2Coke
252 Funny.

238, 251 If a pitcher can be # 1 or 2 on some other team, what makes you think he will sign with the Yankees and be the #4 and 5? There is a reason for 25 /40 men roster. Every player's got a role. How many great to excellent pitchers can you find in all of baseball?

Besides, it's too early to label Igawa anything like it's too early to proclaim Matsuzaka is the next Pedro. If we as the fans could survive watching Wright for the past 2 yrs, how hard is it to give Igawa a little more patience?

2007-04-23 17:47:39
277.   Chyll Will
274 Maybe it's Bean completing his arrival the first time?
2007-04-23 17:48:41
278.   Mattpat11
Fine signing indeed. Yay Igawa!

At least Bean is changing my mind.

2007-04-23 17:49:21
279.   JimCobain
Oh Jorge!
2007-04-23 17:49:41
280.   yankz
Bama, you listening to this? Drays announcer: "They grow them big in Bama."
2007-04-23 17:49:46
281.   3rd gen yankee fan
POOP!
2007-04-23 17:50:20
282.   C2Coke
258 We were extremely spoiled to have Wang pitching into the 8th inning with that pitch count.
2007-04-23 17:50:20
283.   williamnyy23
276 Patience is all well and good, but this futility from the starting staff can't continue much longer. Before you know it, that hole the Yankees are digging can get very deep.

Awful play by Posada...if you remove Arod from the equation this is a 4-13 team.

2007-04-23 17:50:29
284.   thelarmis
fudge.

we need to destroy fossum. this is ludicrous.

2007-04-23 17:50:44
285.   Max Nomad
Lowell made his 6th error and Toronto is up 4-2. Wakefield done after 6.

And Matsui had him dead to rights. Damn.

2007-04-23 17:52:57
286.   Mattpat11
276 Because in two weeks no one has any idea who the supposed "number one" is any more? I really doubt there are that many pitchers in baseball petty enough to turn down a winning team because they'd be the fourth best starter on a great staff.

And if you can't find a great pitcher, is it some rule that we have to waste alot of money on just anyone? If we have to sacrifice the spot, why do we have to sacrifice the spot AND waste a lot of money doing so?

I despised the entire Jaret Wright experiment. Another guy we signed "to be a fourth starter!"

2007-04-23 17:53:15
287.   JimCobain
It would be real nice to take the lead this inning, but my hopes are low.
2007-04-23 17:54:20
288.   OldYanksFan
Iggy lead his league 3 times in Ks and was (the Japanese) MVP with a 20-5 record. He also has done some other good things I can't remember now. He was the 2nd best pitcher in Japan.

He is not dominant, but if he can be a 4.5 ERA guy and go 6-7 innings, he will be a valueable #4-#5 guy. Bear in my we have already used 3 AAA guys (Ras,Wright,Karstens) and other is on the way. It's a good thing we have Iggy and he is healthy.

2007-04-23 17:54:46
289.   3rd gen yankee fan
All right, here we go!
2007-04-23 17:54:50
290.   Max Nomad
sweet as canday!
2007-04-23 17:54:55
291.   OldYanksFan
meaning... he is NOT just some scrub.
2007-04-23 17:54:57
292.   Chyll Will
Bobby's mad, so he hustles to second...
2007-04-23 17:55:50
293.   C2Coke
286 I am just saying the jury is still out on how the Igawa signing really is. In terms of pitchers from the minors, well, the Yankees have Karstens, Rasner, have tried C. Wright, and are bring in Hughes on Thursday. And even Bean is pitching right now, did they miss anyone?
2007-04-23 17:55:55
294.   Chyll Will
3 for 3?
2007-04-23 17:56:24
295.   Max Nomad
Arod 3-3, and they just said he's the fastest (in games) to 13 HR. I think Griffey had less AB.
2007-04-23 17:56:32
296.   Simone
To be fair, Igawa was supposed to be the 4th or 5th starter. Yankees' starting rotation looked shaky before the season began, but things can always turn around.
2007-04-23 17:56:51
297.   OldYanksFan
Another cheap, seeing eye hit for ARod. Wow.
2007-04-23 17:57:15
298.   Chyll Will
293 Clippard?
2007-04-23 17:57:28
299.   Max Nomad
293 You just can never have too much pitching, so why not buy more if you can? Igawa could be minors bound if hes bad enough
2007-04-23 17:57:45
300.   Max Nomad
giambi 3-3
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2007-04-23 17:57:48
301.   SpoonG91
Love the recent inside-out swing by Giambi
2007-04-23 17:57:55
302.   C2Coke
294 Arod immigrated to the planet where Mo's from.

Giambi is also 2 for 3, right?

2007-04-23 17:57:57
303.   mehmattski
Hey, where's Allen Murray with his insistence that Giambi can't go the other way? Isn't that three opposite field hits in the last three games?
2007-04-23 17:58:45
304.   SpoonG91
A-Rod can really slide
2007-04-23 17:58:47
305.   Max Nomad
that was CLOSE. Dukes is strong
2007-04-23 17:58:59
306.   thelarmis
a-rod is husslin'! dukes has a gun on him...
2007-04-23 17:59:47
307.   Max Nomad
that sucked
2007-04-23 18:00:14
308.   Chyll Will
Posada came back too quick, eh? >;)
2007-04-23 18:00:27
309.   C2Coke
300 My bad, Giambi.

The offense is mad. They are hitting and running bases as a way to let their frustrations towards their pitchers out.

Jorge is still nursing his injury, isn't he?

2007-04-23 18:01:27
310.   Mattpat11
293 Did any projection or prediction give you the impression he was going to be worth the 46 million dollars we spent on him? We were told he might be in the GD bullpen! He's a fourth starter at best, and when you sign a fourth starter, often they can't reach the lofty level of mediocrity we set for them, and THIS is what we get.
2007-04-23 18:01:49
311.   Max Nomad
plunkarino
2007-04-23 18:02:14
312.   Chyll Will
OUch. I saw him walking, but not that way... oh Gosh, do not bring in Scrabble!
2007-04-23 18:02:51
313.   Max Nomad
310 You want Javy Vazquez back? Cuz he's a projected number 1, even was one at one time, and he's never finding it again, Don Cooper or not.
2007-04-23 18:03:03
314.   JimCobain
Phelps is due for some good luck after last night.
2007-04-23 18:03:44
315.   seamus
pettite just passed wakefield in the ERA race!

(not sure why that matters right now)

2007-04-23 18:04:00
316.   Max Nomad
314 Cobain, eh? Know any Rices or Deans, Jim? :P
2007-04-23 18:05:06
317.   Mattpat11
299 You can never have too much good pitching. The flip side is you can have more than enough ineffective pitching.
2007-04-23 18:05:14
318.   Max Nomad
think phelps walks?
2007-04-23 18:05:21
319.   thelarmis
c'mon phelps!!!
2007-04-23 18:05:49
320.   Mattpat11
313 I never want to see Javier Vazquez again.
2007-04-23 18:06:06
321.   Max Nomad
317 I dunno, I think fill ins are almost as important, especially now. And Igawa has remained healthy
2007-04-23 18:06:14
322.   Zack
We were told he might be in the BP by the media, the US media, who know jack crap about baseball, as well all know, so that means jack crap as well
2007-04-23 18:06:33
323.   Zack
that last comment was to 310
2007-04-23 18:06:37
324.   SpoonG91
Here we go..biggest pitch of the game so far
2007-04-23 18:06:39
325.   JimCobain
316 Oh sure Patty Dean play the shalaly in my band, and Sean Rice grows 'pete in the back yard ;). Although for being irish I ain't so lucky.
2007-04-23 18:07:11
326.   Mattpat11
And they've been so far off base with him.
2007-04-23 18:07:25
327.   thelarmis
nice work, josh!
2007-04-23 18:07:34
328.   seamus
phew!
2007-04-23 18:07:48
329.   3rd gen yankee fan
318 Yes.
2007-04-23 18:07:52
330.   Zack
Oh my God, Phelps is so much more valuable than Minky its out of control!
2007-04-23 18:07:54
331.   Max Nomad
How's THAT for calling it? I know my clutch phelpsy, and he's a walkin man.
2007-04-23 18:09:00
332.   SpoonG91
Everything the Yankees don't do right is magnified by those god damn cowbells.
2007-04-23 18:09:17
333.   williamnyy23
Good move by Torre making sure the weakest hitter in the lineup gets the most ABs.

The really sad thing about this team is that it has a GREAT offense and it is being completely wasted.

2007-04-23 18:10:23
334.   seamus
333 agree that melky should not leadoff in his current slump, but "being completely wasted" is a wee bit of overstatement.
2007-04-23 18:10:25
335.   Max Nomad
Arod hitting .397, but giambi is up to .314! Helluva comeback
2007-04-23 18:11:05
336.   Mattpat11
And for the record, I'm willing to be patient for someone with potential. What is it I'm waiting for Igawa to reach? The level of "eh"?
2007-04-23 18:11:20
337.   C2Coke
310 You don't have to agree and can have it your way. I personally would like to be a happier Yankee fan, that's all.
2007-04-23 18:11:23
338.   williamnyy23
334 The Yankees are averaging well over 6 runs per game and are 8-9...you don't think that is being completely wasted?
2007-04-23 18:12:20
339.   Max Nomad
338 That has to do with pitching, not Torre's lineup choices.
2007-04-23 18:13:49
340.   Max Nomad
After Bean, Bruney's gonna look 150 MPH
2007-04-23 18:15:27
341.   Zack
Not sure why the need to switch from Bean here, if the issue is really saving the BP. Bean will be back down in AAA tomorrow I assume when CMW comes off?
2007-04-23 18:15:30
342.   seamus
336 you keep making the same argument over and over. i get your point and i bet everyone else does too. some of us disagree. so be it.
2007-04-23 18:15:46
343.   Max Nomad
Arod needs 1 HR and 3 RBI for the records.
2007-04-23 18:15:53
344.   williamnyy23
339 That was my point...that the horrendous pitching is wasting the offense. The mention of Melky was just pointing out another way that Torre handcuffs the team.
2007-04-23 18:15:54
345.   SpoonG91
I think its not too early to start guessing how many innings Hughes will last on Thursday against Toronto. I'm saying he will go 5 2/3.
2007-04-23 18:16:40
346.   OldYanksFan
On top of everything else, ARod leads all of MLB in RS, after tonights 3, with 25.

The guy is also an AWESOME base runner. Any other runner may have been out at 3rd on both those plays. One time he slides wide of 3rd to the outside, the next time he slides wide of 3rd to the inside. He is NOT the best hitter in baseball, but in the top 10. But considering D and running, he may be the best overall player.

And he also has a gun for an arm. What a talent. I'm soooooooooooooo glad I've gotten to see him play these years.

2007-04-23 18:16:58
347.   williamnyy23
341 Agreed...if Crawford reaches, you can't let Myers pitch to the righties...so, in essence, you are burning the pen yet again.
2007-04-23 18:17:39
348.   SpoonG91
I think its not too early to start taking bets on how many innings Hughes will go on Thursday vs. Toronto. I'm saying 5 2/3
2007-04-23 18:18:18
349.   Mattpat11
337 Pointing out flaws doesn't mean I'm unhappy.
2007-04-23 18:18:24
350.   OldYanksFan
342 Thank you. Maybe we can have a rule. After you say the EXACT same thing 10 times in one thread, you have to drop it.
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2007-04-23 18:18:38
351.   SpoonG91
348 sorry for the repeat :(
2007-04-23 18:19:01
352.   thelarmis
a-rod lookin' good in the field tonite. me likey.
2007-04-23 18:19:05
353.   mehmattski
350 Unless that thing is:

Who is Karim Garcia?

2007-04-23 18:19:28
354.   williamnyy23
Burn, Bullpen Burn!

Guess I'm still nostalgic for #51.

2007-04-23 18:19:41
355.   Zack
What a waste by Torre. Myers annoys the crap out of me at times
2007-04-23 18:19:49
356.   Max Nomad
346 I love him.

Crawford didn't know where that pop up was, started jumping around.

I'm not a big Crawford fan. He lacks hustle at times, especially in the field, and a few years back I remember he sprained his knee jumping in the air to argue a call.

2007-04-23 18:20:32
357.   OldYanksFan
351 Not you dude... or dudette? (and double posts dont even count)
2007-04-23 18:20:55
358.   Max Nomad
353 No, really, who is he? :P
2007-04-23 18:21:54
359.   williamnyy23
355 Myers doesn't ask out of the game. Why get annoyed at him?
2007-04-23 18:22:02
360.   Max Nomad
ty wuz lucky
2007-04-23 18:22:10
361.   C2Coke
350 Can we have Ken to put that in Fairpole rule book?

349 I am glad you are not an unhappy fan. Good for you!

2007-04-23 18:23:23
362.   Zack
359 Becuase he is on the team for one purpose and he can't even do that, get Ortiz out. ANd he might not ASK to come out, but his general suckatude ensures that he HAS to come out...
2007-04-23 18:23:51
363.   Mattpat11
350 Very well. It baffles me that anyone can be satisfied with how this is working out, but so be it.
2007-04-23 18:25:23
364.   thelarmis
OYF - you still play drums?!

our staff keeps giving up double digits hits. ugh.

356 i hear ya on crawford. plus, he's not the sharpest pencil in the box. but i'm a BIG fan of the 300-300 club and really enjoy 20-20, 30-30 and, of course, 40-40 seasons. i've pegged crawford as my young guy that could eventually make it to 300-300. of course, he's got to reach his 25 HR/year potential and match it for a decade... i've written like 3 essays on this stuff. sooo, i kinda root for the kid (exept when playing the yanks!).

who needs scrabble? a-rod's doing just fine w/out him on the field...

2007-04-23 18:25:25
365.   Zack
Phelps with the D!
2007-04-23 18:25:29
366.   C2Coke
Phelps just saved the Cap'n from getting #7.
2007-04-23 18:26:35
367.   Max Nomad
Coddmeyer 3rd up, 3-3 so far.
2007-04-23 18:27:30
368.   seamus
you know, i was just thinking about a debate i had with some sox fans a few days ago where they said Arod and Lowell were a wash because Lowell was better on D. Same people who would argue Ortiz should be MVP (I think they did) despite the obvious contradiction there. Just sharing...
2007-04-23 18:27:30
369.   williamnyy23
362 Actually,Oritz is 3 for 12 against Myers. What's more, Myers has been very good this season. He is not the problem.
2007-04-23 18:28:14
370.   Max Nomad
Was Juan Salas smoking while warming up in the rays pen?
2007-04-23 18:28:43
371.   Zack
368 Did you slap some sense into him/her?
2007-04-23 18:29:06
372.   seamus
371 sense? i don't think they had it.
2007-04-23 18:30:17
373.   JimCobain
Garsh Dang it!!!!!
2007-04-23 18:30:25
374.   seamus
crap. bobby blew that.
2007-04-23 18:30:26
375.   Max Nomad
FUCKING DPs! 4 now?!
2007-04-23 18:30:29
376.   williamnyy23
Nice slide Jeter.
2007-04-23 18:30:36
377.   3rd gen yankee fan
grrrrr... we are NOT losing this game!!!
2007-04-23 18:30:51
378.   C2Coke
4th DP?? And the Yanks managed to score 6 runs?
2007-04-23 18:30:58
379.   JimCobain
The last 4 games have reminded me of the start we had in 2005. I just have this bad feeling it's going to get worse before it gets better.
2007-04-23 18:31:15
380.   thelarmis
crap.

just tie it up a-rod.

4 DP's = DePressing

and stop it w/ the damn cowbells!

2007-04-23 18:31:34
381.   Zack
369 Myers is a problem because he is using up a roster spot that Henn can fill just as well and thereby costing us a more adept reliever and further burning the BP. I have nothing against the guy as a person, just his existence as a pitcher...Just because he has gotten a few righties out so far this year doesn't mean he will continue to do so or should be in position to.
2007-04-23 18:31:40
382.   williamnyy23
You'd think Abrue would try to work the walk there considering who was on deck.
2007-04-23 18:31:54
383.   Max Nomad
ARod stat: Last year 22 GIDP. This year: 1.
2007-04-23 18:32:40
384.   seamus
382 how many ground balls has he even hit this year?
2007-04-23 18:32:41
385.   williamnyy23
381 Whose roster spot is he using up? With a manager who can handle a bullpen, he is a useful pitcher.
2007-04-23 18:32:59
386.   seamus
384 = 383, not 382
2007-04-23 18:33:01
387.   BklynBmr
Is this the bullpen we couldn't wait to get to?
2007-04-23 18:33:10
388.   Mattpat11
I've read this script before
2007-04-23 18:33:29
389.   Max Nomad
Damn, I wanted a HR there. So spoiled by Sly.
2007-04-23 18:33:35
390.   thelarmis
feh

alex's entire demeanor is so much better all around. quite nice to see...

2007-04-23 18:33:42
391.   C2Coke
Cowbells should be banned from baseball games.
2007-04-23 18:34:12
392.   thelarmis
jays up by 2 and threatening - man on 3rd, 1 out.
2007-04-23 18:34:15
393.   Max Nomad
Toronto up 5-3 in the 8th.
2007-04-23 18:34:28
394.   Zack
385 He is using up ANYONE's spot. Britton, Bean (when he gets sent down) anyone. He's never useful. A guy who pitches to one guy a game isn't that useful. No one player on any team is good enough to justify a pitcher just to pitch to them.
2007-04-23 18:34:48
395.   Max Nomad
Damn, larmis, beat me by 3 secs.
2007-04-23 18:34:49
396.   thelarmis
391 so should scrabble.
2007-04-23 18:35:07
397.   JimCobain
I remember in the preseason being incredulous when people compared this team to the Early 00's Rangers, but I think they might be on to something. If the score remains the same, we've lost 4 games in a row giving up 7 runs per and losing 3 of 4 by a a score of 7-6... this does not bode well.
2007-04-23 18:35:32
398.   rockymtnyankee
{381} Meyers has the best job other than that Devil Ray getting hand fed by Erin during a leisurely swim.
2007-04-23 18:36:16
399.   thelarmis
395 doh, sorry nomad!

i'm not keen on these 7-6 games.

2007-04-23 18:37:34
400.   Orly Yarly NoWai
397 It's still early, and our pitchers are hurt. I like Chase Wright and Jeff Karstens, but I'd rather have Moose and Wang, thanks.
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2007-04-23 18:38:03
401.   seattleyank
Iwamura seems like a stud. How did the Rays of all teams manage to get this guy? I'd like to see him at 1B for the Yanks.
2007-04-23 18:38:25
402.   Max Nomad
397 400 YEA.....Jim......
2007-04-23 18:38:36
403.   JimCobain
i'm kinda loving Girardi in the booth.
2007-04-23 18:38:44
404.   Orly Yarly NoWai
394 Funny; Torre has been using Myers for multiple batters recently, and, according to the ESPN broadcast, Myers actually volunteered to start if he's needed.
2007-04-23 18:39:32
405.   Max Nomad
404 He offered to close last year, too, when we had no mo
2007-04-23 18:39:43
406.   Orly Yarly NoWai
401 He was perceived as basically a younger, more expensive Doug Out.
2007-04-23 18:40:39
407.   OldYanksFan
364 My vintage 1968 Blue Oyster Pearl Ludwigs have been retired for a while. Have a Roland TD-7 kit, but don't play anymore. Bassists are pretty rare up here.
2007-04-23 18:40:52
408.   Zack
Shouldn't Farnsworth be up instead of Viz?
2007-04-23 18:41:31
409.   Mattpat11
I hate April.
2007-04-23 18:41:44
410.   Max Nomad
fuck ME
2007-04-23 18:41:50
411.   Mattpat11
408 Should Worthless ever be in a game?
2007-04-23 18:41:57
412.   C2Coke
Have Cairo pitch.
2007-04-23 18:42:07
413.   seamus
409 what did she do to you?
2007-04-23 18:42:15
414.   Zack
Man, our BP has been hurting of late...
2007-04-23 18:42:25
415.   mehmattski
397 The early 00s Rangers never came close to leading the majors in runs scored, as these Yankees are doing. The Yankees' Pythagorean Record is 11-6 since they have scored 112 runs and have allowed only 91. The early 00s Rangers always allowed more than 100 runs than they scored. Sorry, but the comparison is not valid.
2007-04-23 18:42:46
416.   JimCobain
this is brutal... I am debating whether to just bail and watch Heroes on the DVR... or do the dishes, or go to the dentist... anything...
2007-04-23 18:43:18
417.   Max Nomad
Torre takin Bruney out 2-0?
2007-04-23 18:43:35
418.   JimCobain
415 Oh I agree... but then again it's still april ;)
2007-04-23 18:43:43
419.   seattleyank
406 So far he's making that scouting report look foolish. I think he has 15 BB to 9 K.
2007-04-23 18:43:45
420.   nick
404 yeah, but Myers isn't SUCCESSFUL against multiple batters...and we're gonna need a couple rubber-armed relievers to get us through the next couple weeks--didja hear the ESPN guys using the words "Pavano" and "pain"?
2007-04-23 18:43:56
421.   C2Coke
Torre is getting the workout walking to the mound these few days.
2007-04-23 18:44:04
422.   seamus
can we put the whole bullpen on the DL? I mean, they are so taxed right now.
2007-04-23 18:44:24
423.   thelarmis
416 i'm just gonna set myself on fire. here i go...
2007-04-23 18:44:43
424.   rockymtnyankee
Can't anyone here pitch?.....Can't Gator and Kerrigan get these pitchers to do better than this?
2007-04-23 18:45:42
425.   williamnyy23
A pitching change mid-AB...he really is clueless Joe. Vizacaino is now up to 12 games. Between Proctor, Viz, Henn and Bruney, the games pitched leader board is more fun than the great subway race.
2007-04-23 18:46:22
426.   JimCobain
Here comes a walk and bases clearing double.
2007-04-23 18:47:21
427.   Mattpat11
If we ever trade Vizcaino for Vazquez, it will be completely a weird circle.
2007-04-23 18:47:23
428.   williamnyy23
Great body language from Torre and Guidry.
2007-04-23 18:47:27
429.   nick
the entire bullpen, right now, just looks like crap--
2007-04-23 18:47:41
430.   seattleyank
At what point does Joe just decide that a starter has to go 7 innings, regardless of the outcome? Just to give the BP a break. Wouldn't that helpful, even if it meant losing that one game?
2007-04-23 18:47:49
431.   rockymtnyankee
A BB after Viz coming in with a 2-0 count.....That was not predictable, was it?
2007-04-23 18:48:36
432.   mehmattski
425 I pick the D-Train...

...As in, trade Melky, Clippard, and Wright for him.

2007-04-23 18:48:52
433.   Orly Yarly NoWai
420 He looked fine before the BoSox series.
2007-04-23 18:48:54
434.   pistolpete
426 OMG You suck.
2007-04-23 18:48:59
435.   Mattpat11
Okay then.
2007-04-23 18:49:18
436.   OldYanksFan
Game, set, match. SHIT!!!!!!!!!
2007-04-23 18:49:20
437.   Max Nomad
426 I hate you Jim.
2007-04-23 18:49:35
438.   C2Coke
429 Can you blame them? Wang, Moose combined have less innings than each of them.

426 It's on you!

2007-04-23 18:50:13
439.   williamnyy23
What a suprise...another tired reliever allows a boat load of runs. What exactly is Torre thinking when he makes these moves. Burn, Bullpen Burn. Maybe Joe misses Bernie too.
2007-04-23 18:50:21
440.   rockymtnyankee
I am so sick of this!...Every game is like batting practice for the other team.
2007-04-23 18:50:36
441.   Mattpat11
I'm so glad we got Vizcaino.
2007-04-23 18:50:53
442.   JimCobain
I take no satisfaction in being right. But for my transgression I shall go into exile for the next 2.5 innings as a penalty. I will either see you all in extra innings or tomorrow night. Good night and good luck.
2007-04-23 18:51:30
443.   Max Nomad
OK, warm up worthless
2007-04-23 18:51:37
444.   thelarmis
426 good lord, you're good. could i get some of that kool aid? please tell me there's no comeback in sight at the fens. lord knows there's not gonna be one at the trop.

so our pen was good for a week. now it's just weak.

this is really the new york yankees vs. tampa bay devil rays? really?!

i'm over it. this truly sucks ass...

2007-04-23 18:51:41
445.   pistolpete
I say the next time this happens to a Yankees starter, he has to stay in 9 innings and finish the game, even if it's 18-1 and the game takes 7 hours.

CRIPES.

2007-04-23 18:51:56
446.   seamus
441 why wouldn't you be? It doesn't matter who it is. the entire pen is burned out.
2007-04-23 18:52:11
447.   C2Coke
442 Uh...thanks?
2007-04-23 18:52:52
448.   Max Nomad
He was OUT! I could hear it!
2007-04-23 18:53:05
449.   OldYanksFan
439 And what would you do? Have Mo pitch 3 innings?
2007-04-23 18:53:20
450.   Mattpat11
I want to turn it off. But its like a trainwreck
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2007-04-23 18:53:49
451.   rockymtnyankee
What is the D-Ray record for runs scored at the Trop?
2007-04-23 18:54:01
452.   seamus
450 i'm going through the same thing. want to turn it off. but can't.
2007-04-23 18:54:09
453.   Max Nomad
449 Mo is a burden lately (because of torre, of course) since he only pitches 1 inning and never when losing
2007-04-23 18:54:43
454.   Mattpat11
446 Trading Randy Johnson for a so-so middle reliever never sat well with me.
2007-04-23 18:54:49
455.   pistolpete
Yanks should just walk off the field and forfeit the game. This is putrid.
2007-04-23 18:54:56
456.   williamnyy23
Why can't Kay and Girardi graps the obvious...Torre has overused Vizcaino and he wont let up. Since last Thursday, he has clearly looked fatigue and not pitched well. Still, Torre keeps trotting him out there. Why?

The Yankees NEED to make a move. It's time for Joe to Go.

2007-04-23 18:54:59
457.   C2Coke
I blame those cowbells and JimCobain.

More stealing?

2007-04-23 18:55:07
458.   Max Nomad
this is disgusting, smacks of april '04
2007-04-23 18:55:11
459.   OldYanksFan
The Rays lead the lead in HRs (or maybe tied with the Yankees) and 2nd in RS (behind the Yankees). This IS a good hitting team.

We need a week of rain.

2007-04-23 18:55:14
460.   Mattpat11
what the hell was THAT?
2007-04-23 18:56:21
461.   rockymtnyankee
{458} More like '66.
2007-04-23 18:56:37
462.   pistolpete
I'd bring in Mo to pitch 2 innings right after this inning is over - he needs work badly.
2007-04-23 18:56:46
463.   Mattpat11
426 There's also an issue with Vizcaino really not being all that great to begin with.
2007-04-23 18:57:14
464.   Max Nomad
If Torre is merely a good player manager, it's time to call a meeting
2007-04-23 18:57:17
465.   C2Coke
459 At this point, I'd take some snow...
2007-04-23 18:57:37
466.   williamnyy23
449 Leave Bean in!! Let Myers pitch to Wigginton. Dust Farnsworth off. Allow Mariano to pitch before the next save situation in a week. Then again, if Torre didn't use Bruney and Proctor in the Cleveland blowouts, they might have been more available/effective over the weekend, allowing Viz to rest. Torre's mismanagement is all interconnected. It's not a one move problem...it's systemic and is only going to get worse if a change is not made.
2007-04-23 18:57:55
467.   williamnyy23
9 of the last 11 games!!
2007-04-23 18:58:01
468.   Mattpat11
Girardi's right. we might as well get Worthless in this game. What harm could it possibly do?
2007-04-23 18:58:22
469.   Max Nomad
461 Or last year's Sox.
2007-04-23 18:58:23
470.   rockymtnyankee
Didn't Rick S. say earlier in the broadcast that Bowa and Company had worked so hard on fundamentals this Spring?
2007-04-23 18:59:02
471.   Mattpat11
Whoo.
2007-04-23 18:59:19
472.   Zack
2 run HR off Timlin in Bos, Jays up 7-3. Of course, Sox power part of lineup somehow due up as it amazing ALWAYS is in the 9th haha
2007-04-23 18:59:20
473.   Max Nomad
FINALLY
2007-04-23 18:59:28
474.   rockymtnyankee
I did not think that 1/2 inning would end.
2007-04-23 18:59:33
475.   thelarmis
sox down by 4 in the 9th. at least we might not lose a game to them.

finally inning over. 6 outs, need 4 runs. has any team ever hit 4 solo homeruns in a row?! ; )

2007-04-23 18:59:52
476.   OldYanksFan
456 The Yankees SP has averaged 4.5 innings. Everyone made fun of Torre for carrying 12 pitchers.

Stop hassleing Torre. We hve 12 pitchers, and 11 of them are shitting the bed (and the other one has pitched 2 innings out of the BP).

Torre's job is to give us a better opportunity to win. But the players do the winning.. or losing.

It really doesn't matter who Torre brings in. They all look the same to me.

2007-04-23 19:00:32
477.   Zack
Yeah, Mo really needs to get work in, but Joe's stubborn refusal to only use him against Boston or in save situations will prevent that
2007-04-23 19:00:36
478.   Max Nomad
Wang needs to go 7, then the same for Andy (Wed?), so the half-shell pen can help hughes
2007-04-23 19:01:15
479.   Zack
Maybe A-Rod can hit a five run home run with no one on bugs bunny style?
2007-04-23 19:01:30
480.   Mattpat11
472 I swear those two hit 3-4 and 7-8 and no one bothers to call them out on it.
2007-04-23 19:01:39
481.   Max Nomad
476 True, but the relievers are burned. It's obvious, and Torre is partly to blame.
2007-04-23 19:02:09
482.   nick
we need to pick up Livan Hernandez...
2007-04-23 19:02:10
483.   rockymtnyankee
{475} YES!...Now, if TB will just bring in a AA pitcher
2007-04-23 19:02:12
484.   Max Nomad
Giambi squared to bunt
2007-04-23 19:02:50
485.   Max Nomad
mo is warming
2007-04-23 19:03:26
486.   Max Nomad
a giambi walk would be cool
2007-04-23 19:03:35
487.   OldYanksFan
475 Do you dig Billy Cobham?
2007-04-23 19:03:38
488.   C2Coke
476 I second that.

462 pistolpete, as you wish, Mo is coming in.

2007-04-23 19:03:51
489.   Max Nomad
nice, here we go, get that pen
2007-04-23 19:04:40
490.   thelarmis
486 one giambi walk coming up. and no pinch runner...
2007-04-23 19:04:41
491.   OldYanksFan
As crappy as our pitching has been, this game has been sunk by 4 DPs.
2007-04-23 19:04:50
492.   Max Nomad
Heh, Rays closer and Mo have the same ERA, 8.68
2007-04-23 19:05:08
493.   williamnyy23
476 You're right...they all do look the same...there arms are hanging by a thread.

I am impressed that you are able to dismiss Torre's bungling. I like the grandpa joe image too, but I don't enjoy watching him wreck the season.

2007-04-23 19:05:24
494.   williamnyy23
476 You're right...they all do look the same...their arms are hanging by a thread.

I am impressed that you are able to dismiss Torre's bungling. I like the grandpa joe image too, but I don't enjoy watching him wreck the season.

2007-04-23 19:05:26
495.   Max Nomad
491 YES, jeter and Abreu, Posada with 2
2007-04-23 19:05:30
496.   thelarmis
487 are you kidding? one of my absolute heroes and biggest influences!!!
2007-04-23 19:05:47
497.   Mattpat11
491 We gave up ten runs. This isn't a situation where we're losing 5-4. Its on the pitching.
2007-04-23 19:05:59
498.   rockymtnyankee
Pls not another DP.
2007-04-23 19:06:14
499.   williamnyy23
491 You are blaming the offense for only scoring 6 runs!! Yet, you wont blame Torre for bungling the bullpen?
2007-04-23 19:06:22
500.   Simone
481 Because the starters who can't even go 5 innings have nothing to do with the overuse of the relievers. Also, the relievers sucking has nothing to do with these losses. Unless Joe is other there pitching, he isn't the one losing these games.
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2007-04-23 19:06:44
501.   Mattpat11
I fear The Stink will come up to hit for Phelps.
2007-04-23 19:07:52
502.   thelarmis
mounting a threat. lets go boyz. we came back from a lot more down last year vs. these guys. we CAN do this. get it done fellas...

manny made out. game over in beantown. jays win.

2007-04-23 19:07:57
503.   Mattpat11
499 I blame Igawa for pitching in such a fashion that the whole bullpen had to come in.
2007-04-23 19:08:23
504.   Zack
Sox game over. See what a non tired BP can do :)
2007-04-23 19:08:39
505.   williamnyy23
500 That's plain silly. In that case, who needs a manager. Just let the players play. I've already outlined several instances of how Torre has mismanaged the pen. All the Torre apologists can come up with is "it's the players fault". Enlightening.
2007-04-23 19:09:11
506.   rockymtnyankee
2 men on......Maybe Mo will come in for a save (or hold)situation.....

And up at the Fen......THEEEEEE BLUE JAYS WIN!!

2007-04-23 19:09:14
507.   rockymtnyankee
2 men on......Maybe Mo will come in for a save (or hold)situation.....

And up at the Fen......THEEEEEE BLUE JAYS WIN!!

2007-04-23 19:09:38
508.   williamnyy23
503 I blame Igawa too...but did he make Torre take out Bean and Myers?
2007-04-23 19:09:39
509.   Max Nomad
481 Oh YEA, the starters are def to blame for too much of the pen. The reason the White Sox didn't make the PS last year was because the Pen was dead from picking up the starters so often. The relievers are great, but can't work rested and so not great. Joe isnt mismanaging TERRIBLY now, but what someone said earlier is true: the games leading up to Boston were botched by Torre.
2007-04-23 19:10:23
510.   3rd gen yankee fan
Thank you Jays.
2007-04-23 19:10:33
511.   williamnyy23
POSADA!!! Why would you swing before taking a strike. What is going on with this team?
2007-04-23 19:10:49
512.   Max Nomad
509 Sorry, meant to say 500
2007-04-23 19:11:16
513.   randym77
Yikes. This was a one-run game when last I checked in. How did this happen?
2007-04-23 19:12:03
514.   Mattpat11
That would have been Bean's fourth inning of work in 2 days.
2007-04-23 19:12:15
515.   Max Nomad
With Kazmir tomorrow we could be swept by TB. Nice Cano
2007-04-23 19:12:18
516.   rockymtnyankee
Too bad about Giambino @ 3rd......Now time for a GS.
2007-04-23 19:12:22
517.   C2Coke
So thus far, we've established that Mattpat11 leads the "Igawa sucks" campaign and williamnyy23 drives the "Fire Torre" bandwagon here on the Banter. Did I get that right?

Damon, you can do it!

2007-04-23 19:12:35
518.   Chyll Will
513 I said the same exact thing...!
2007-04-23 19:12:49
519.   williamnyy23
509 But he is managing poorly now. Again I ask, why not leave in Bean? By brining in Viz and Bruney, you not only suffer their poor performance, but now they will be even more exhausted going forward. It's a domino effect that isn't easy to reverse.
2007-04-23 19:13:14
520.   Simone
505 Gawd, every season this blog is inundated by you "Joe is too blame for every loss" people. I wish I could call you silly, annoying is more appropriate for people like who refuse to hold the players accountable for failing to do their jobs.
2007-04-23 19:13:42
521.   Max Nomad
nodpnodpnodpnodpnodp...
2007-04-23 19:13:53
522.   seattleyank
For a guy who works a lot of walks, Posada sometimes has a quick trigger.
2007-04-23 19:14:00
523.   williamnyy23
514 But Bean was just called up and is likely head back out soon.
2007-04-23 19:14:30
524.   yankz
257 You know it, my man...er...friend...never can tell with genders around here.
2007-04-23 19:14:56
525.   williamnyy23
520 Still waiting for an explanation on why you like the way Torre has managed the pen. Don't expect one is forthcoming.
2007-04-23 19:15:34
526.   Mattpat11
{517] Let it die. I was told I needed to be patient and let Igawa blossom into the so-so pitcher we all know he can be. And I will.
2007-04-23 19:15:39
527.   rockymtnyankee
These Yankee games of '07 remind me of the Colorado Rockies' games here in this altitude before the Coors Field humidor
2007-04-23 19:15:45
528.   C2Coke
522 Jorge just doesn't look right tonight. Don't think he;s fully recovered from the injury.

Nice try, Damon.

2007-04-23 19:15:59
529.   Max Nomad
522 He's a guesser, lotsa catchers are.
2007-04-23 19:16:21
530.   kdw
525 Hey, can we let that go for awhile? Think we all understand your position but there's still an actual game to watch.
2007-04-23 19:16:23
531.   DougP
Maybe they'll keep Bean up for a few more days and send Kevin Thompson down when they activate Wang tomorrow. Then Hughes can replace Bean on the roster.
2007-04-23 19:16:31
532.   Max Nomad
come on MELK!
2007-04-23 19:17:19
533.   Max Nomad
drays suddenly have fans?
2007-04-23 19:17:24
534.   Mattpat11
I hate them all.

Is this rational?

2007-04-23 19:17:25
535.   williamnyy23
Gotta love Melky in the lead off spot.
2007-04-23 19:17:41
536.   thelarmis
brian stokes? who? %#@&*^$%!!!
2007-04-23 19:17:51
537.   Max Nomad
fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck

tinyFUCK.com?

2007-04-23 19:18:35
538.   Max Nomad
Coddmeyer up 3rd.
2007-04-23 19:18:53
539.   rockymtnyankee
Bases loaded, 1 out.....and 0 runs...This is killing me.
2007-04-23 19:19:04
540.   Chyll Will
Well, since the Sox lost, this seems like the perfect time to blow an opportunity to gain some ground. Thanks Johnny, Thanks Melk, Thanks Easter Bunny...
2007-04-23 19:20:16
541.   Alex Belth
This is either a low point in the season or the start of a very very long, frustrating year. Horrible pitching. Can't get the big hit. Yanks should win this game, man.
2007-04-23 19:20:42
542.   Chyll Will
537 NO. TinyHyphen.com
2007-04-23 19:20:50
543.   rsmith51
Why didn't the Yanks leave Phelps in and PH for Melky?
2007-04-23 19:20:58
544.   williamnyy23
Joe hits Damon for the guy batting .300 instead of the one batting .200. I guess you can "blame the players" for failing, but it is Torre who is putting those players in the position to fail.
2007-04-23 19:21:03
545.   seamus
541 word.
2007-04-23 19:21:19
546.   Mattpat11
Stinky Minky fills in for Phelps. The Yankees will rally and it will all come down to him.
2007-04-23 19:21:28
547.   rockymtnyankee
That's the Mo we know and love
2007-04-23 19:21:44
548.   Max Nomad
542 Are we a swear-free blog?
2007-04-23 19:22:02
549.   rsmith51
Last I checked, Phelps has a little more power than Damon.
2007-04-23 19:22:30
550.   Max Nomad
Hey, Mo lookin' good.
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2007-04-23 19:22:35
551.   DougP
543 Yeah, if Damon is coming into the game anyway, then why not have him hit for Melky and leave Phelps in.
2007-04-23 19:22:36
552.   C2Coke
541 Only if Arod hits another grand slam.
2007-04-23 19:22:39
553.   Mattpat11
544 He put one of the better hitters on the team in for a platoon player. Lets not overstate the skills of Josh Phelps here
2007-04-23 19:23:03
554.   williamnyy23
541 It's looking more and more like the latter unless Cashman can find another Small and Chacon. Lightning doesn't strike twice.
2007-04-23 19:23:08
555.   rsmith51
Re: PH Damon...

Not a terrible move, but I would have gone the other way.

2007-04-23 19:23:17
556.   Chyll Will
547 Nope. I'm just marketing...
2007-04-23 19:23:31
557.   seattleyank
This would be a good night for Mo to work on his change up.
2007-04-23 19:23:37
558.   Mattpat11
551 If Phelps hits into a DP, you're saving him for an AB that will never come.
2007-04-23 19:23:50
559.   seamus
553 agreed.
2007-04-23 19:24:07
560.   Max Nomad
549 Nah Phelps is equal or better but more Ks. 544 And maybe Damon can't play the field. Thompson, then?
2007-04-23 19:24:07
561.   rockymtnyankee
I thought we have Mink for his defense....HA!
2007-04-23 19:24:11
562.   Mattpat11
554 Hughes and Clemens
2007-04-23 19:24:29
563.   williamnyy23
553 The comp is between Phelps and Melky, not Damon and Phelps. Phelps is hitting; Melky isn't. So naturally, Joe hits for Phelps.
2007-04-23 19:24:46
564.   OldYanksFan
544 I agree.
2007-04-23 19:24:48
565.   rsmith51
554 This team is going to score a LOT of runs.

If they can pitch at all, they will make the playoffs.

2007-04-23 19:25:04
566.   seamus
folks need to be prepared for the possibility that Hughes may not do well. I feel good about him, but this is still a big move.
2007-04-23 19:25:23
567.   Chyll Will
556 Oops, I meant 548 Besides, why would you want a tiny THAT?
2007-04-23 19:25:39
568.   DougP
551 Good point. In the abstract (i.e., not thinking about who is coming up next), I'd rather have Damon at the bat in that situation than Phelps.
2007-04-23 19:26:04
569.   Mattpat11
566 He may not do well this week. So be it. I expect him to be very good soon enough.
2007-04-23 19:26:05
570.   Max Nomad
558 good point

541 Hey Alex, welcome back, been here long?

2007-04-23 19:26:29
571.   DougP
oops - reference to 551 should be to 558 (not trying to cite myself here)
2007-04-23 19:27:11
572.   williamnyy23
558 So instead of getting the better hitter up, you're opting for the batter least likely to hit into a double play? If that's Joe's logic, it's worse than I thought.
2007-04-23 19:28:22
573.   williamnyy23
541 This season is looking more and more like it is going to hinge on Hughes. Talk about pressure.
2007-04-23 19:28:40
574.   Max Nomad
572 That's only part of it. Damon IS a better hitter.
2007-04-23 19:29:14
575.   Mattpat11
563 And maybe he wanted the better hitter up with one out and the bases loaded. That would be Johnny Damon.
2007-04-23 19:29:18
576.   monkeypants
572 I agree; playing not to hit into a DP makes sense if you are down by one. Down by four, you need the most good hitters you can have. Melky (the lead-off man) is just not a good hitter right now.
2007-04-23 19:29:18
577.   OldYanksFan
What's wrong with Milkdud? Swinging at bad pitches and only hits one line drive a week. At the point, maybe we should play KT for a week. Of course, if Damon isn't badly hurt, it's moot.
2007-04-23 19:29:40
578.   Max Nomad
daaaaaamn. crap.
2007-04-23 19:29:44
579.   thelarmis
shitty call. this sucks...
2007-04-23 19:30:54
580.   Max Nomad
game aint over yet...
2007-04-23 19:31:30
581.   OldYanksFan
This is just one battle. We will win the war. This is just one battle. We will win the war. This is just one battle. We will win the war. This is just one battle...
2007-04-23 19:31:47
582.   thelarmis
at least we haven't made any errors, fwiw...
2007-04-23 19:32:15
583.   thelarmis
do i hear 10-8?
2007-04-23 19:32:20
584.   OldYanksFan
How about a token A-Bomb here. I'll take some stats padding.
2007-04-23 19:32:30
585.   Max Nomad
nice walk there
2007-04-23 19:32:42
586.   williamnyy23
574 Yes...and he should have been used for Melky. What's your point?
2007-04-23 19:32:56
587.   rockymtnyankee
Did you see that TB fan ringing his cowbell?......SOOOO Major League!
2007-04-23 19:33:02
588.   Max Nomad
582 I was never a man of internet speak. What?
2007-04-23 19:33:54
589.   thelarmis
ALEXANDER THE GREAT!!!
2007-04-23 19:33:57
590.   DougP
A-Rod!!!!
2007-04-23 19:34:17
591.   Mattpat11
Well, there's something to take out of this.
2007-04-23 19:34:17
592.   Max Nomad
yea! record!
2007-04-23 19:34:18
593.   seamus
you've gotta be kidding me. i really am completely stunned at this guy.
2007-04-23 19:34:18
594.   williamnyy23
Let the man opt out now! He doesn't deserve this!
2007-04-23 19:34:23
595.   rockymtnyankee
{582} Plus, some aggressive baserunning and Mo looked good...

And AROD does it AGAIN!!

2007-04-23 19:34:28
596.   3rd gen yankee fan
That's our guy!
2007-04-23 19:34:29
597.   Chyll Will
Dayyamm!
2007-04-23 19:34:36
598.   C2Coke
583 I don't know where you heard it but you heard it right.
2007-04-23 19:34:38
599.   thelarmis
thanks for letting me sip on that kool aid, jim cobain!
2007-04-23 19:34:55
600.   tommyl
Um, wow
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2007-04-23 19:35:08
601.   Mattpat11
588 For what its worth
2007-04-23 19:35:12
602.   Max Nomad
OK one more walk = bomb
2007-04-23 19:35:30
603.   bobtaco
I think pretty soon Jeter is going to want to sleep over at Alex's house.
2007-04-23 19:35:42
604.   thelarmis
598 ah, it's just the voices in my head. i picked the loudest one... ; )
2007-04-23 19:35:47
605.   Chyll Will
Dayyamm!
2007-04-23 19:36:03
606.   C2Coke
603 Good one.
2007-04-23 19:36:22
607.   3rd gen yankee fan
2 out rally!!!
2007-04-23 19:36:24
608.   OldYanksFan
Yes... we gave up 10 runs. But 4 DPs and based loaded with no out in the 8th, and no runs. We still could have won this... even giving up 10.
2007-04-23 19:36:25
609.   dianagramr
A-Rod is gonna look good in a Cubs uni next season (unless they are stilly trying to sell the Cubs then)
2007-04-23 19:36:47
610.   tommyl
Now lets all talk about how Jeter and Giambi struck out. Clutch ;).
2007-04-23 19:36:49
611.   williamnyy23
I miss the days when Arod was the enemy of the people and the Yankees won games.
2007-04-23 19:36:55
612.   Max Nomad
I hope he gets 500 at the Stadium
2007-04-23 19:37:05
613.   Chyll Will
605 Stupid Fricken AOL!...
2007-04-23 19:37:05
614.   Mattpat11
586 He was fine where he was. I want the better hitter up as soon as we can.
2007-04-23 19:37:20
615.   thelarmis
i, for one, will miss a-rod. if mats gets on, can a-rod bat again? please!
2007-04-23 19:37:37
616.   williamnyy23
The Yankees without Arod would pretty much be rebuilding.
2007-04-23 19:38:00
617.   Mattpat11
608 Ten runs trumps anything the offense does.
2007-04-23 19:38:11
618.   tommyl
Seriously, A-Rod goes 4-5 with 2 HRs and you still can't win the game. This is getting depressing.
2007-04-23 19:38:11
619.   thelarmis
defeating and deflating.
2007-04-23 19:38:27
620.   rockymtnyankee
25 runs in 4 games, and we lose all 4!!
2007-04-23 19:38:28
621.   Mattpat11
Well then.
2007-04-23 19:38:28
622.   C2Coke
Well, hopefully Wang can pick up where he left off from last season tomorrow.
2007-04-23 19:38:34
623.   Max Nomad
Man, maybe I'll switch to football. If it wasn't for Arod...
2007-04-23 19:38:39
624.   3rd gen yankee fan
yuck! gnite all!
2007-04-23 19:38:40
625.   yankz
Tough game. But I still don't understand what I'm seeing from Coddmeyer. Am I on LSD?
2007-04-23 19:38:47
626.   williamnyy23
608 I hope you're joking?
2007-04-23 19:39:43
627.   Max Nomad
608 The players get down when they always have to fight back.
2007-04-23 19:39:51
628.   dianagramr
618

Andre Dawson won the NL MVP with the Cubs when the Cubs finished 5th in their division. Could A-Rod win it if the Yanks win ONLY 80 games?

2007-04-23 19:40:17
629.   thelarmis
.5 game from the cellar. 2 under .500. injuries. contracts for a-rod, mo & po. uy vey. fuck bbtn, i'm gonna go hit & kick things at the same time. though i might forgo any cowbell grooves tonite... : /
2007-04-23 19:40:20
630.   Chyll Will
And Tampa Bay defeets the Yanks for their first ever World Series Champeenchip!!!

(or so you would think, dang...)

2007-04-23 19:41:30
631.   Mattpat11
So, you think the Yankees will win this week?
2007-04-23 19:41:38
632.   dianagramr
It could be worse .... you could be Mark Prior .... going in for "exploratory surgery" on your once-golden arm.

Boy are the Cubs cursed ...

2007-04-23 19:41:52
633.   seamus
Wang goes tomorrow. If he can just get us through 7 and keep the score down that could do a whole lot to restore some confidence. Especially with Pettitte going on Wednesday. I'd like to see us win two straight going into Hughes' game.
2007-04-23 19:42:20
634.   Chyll Will
629 Snares and bass, eh? Beat the hell out of the kettle for me, will you?
2007-04-23 19:42:27
635.   OldYanksFan
4 DPs and 3 outs in the 8th. That's a hard 0 for 7. What happens if we went 1 for 7? How about 2 for 7. If we went 2 for 7 (in those situations) would we have won?

We are NOT supposed to give up 10 runs. But with this offense, we don't HAVE to lose. How about that 8th inning?

2007-04-23 19:42:54
636.   Max Nomad
OK, time to torch Kazmir tomorrow so that wang is clear for 8
2007-04-23 19:43:05
637.   C2Coke
633 You are not alone in that department.
2007-04-23 19:43:29
638.   thelarmis
631 yes, i think, in the end, the yanks will be fine. we still have a great shot at winning the division and getting into the playoffs. it is only april 23rd. then again, this sucks a bag full donkey dicks...
2007-04-23 19:43:57
639.   Max Nomad
633 Yea, leave it up to Hughes to get us over .500 at least.
2007-04-23 19:44:24
640.   OldYanksFan
629 Put on some early Motown and a little Stevie. That'll fix ya.
2007-04-23 19:44:32
641.   Mattpat11
Ten runs trumps anything the offense does. The offense should not be expected to score 11 runs. Our lovely fourth starter and his friends screwed this game up.
2007-04-23 19:44:40
642.   Max Nomad
638 Wow, a whole bag? That's a shit load of donkey dicks.
2007-04-23 19:44:55
643.   thelarmis
634 i gotchya back, will! and cymbals. lots and lots of loud, washy cymbals!!! it's safe occupational therapy : )
2007-04-23 19:45:11
644.   Mattpat11
638 Games in April count.
2007-04-23 19:46:06
645.   yankz
2005, Yanks started 39-39. They'll be ok.
2007-04-23 19:46:34
646.   OldYanksFan
644 Yes, but it's about winning 100 games in a year. Doesn't matter when you win them (just ask the 2006 Twins).
2007-04-23 19:46:35
647.   Max Nomad
641 Igawa is the most to blame, Torre second for his poor bullpen management last week that is showing now, then the Pen DESPITE Torre, then the offense's situational hitting, DESPITE the 8 runs. I'm excited for Wang, tomorrow, I love watching him pitch.
2007-04-23 19:46:50
648.   thelarmis
642 yeah, a buddy of mine just told me a hysterical joke that involved that. i thought it was funny, so i used it. not really like me, though...
2007-04-23 19:48:17
649.   OldYanksFan
648 Well.... anybody know the New Hampshire State joke?

Why did God invent Women?

2007-04-23 19:48:35
650.   Max Nomad
645 Yea, and the Yanks had similar problems (and Arod was killing the ball, though not like this), except they have better reinforcements this time, if Hughes comes around. in '05 they took off after 39-39
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2007-04-23 19:48:48
651.   thelarmis
644 yeah, i know. it's just that we've had these types of starts before in recent past and were able to climb back and win the division. it certainly sucks right now and lots has to be dealt with, but at least there's a ton of games ahead. more panic if this is the situation in sept.
2007-04-23 19:48:51
652.   dianagramr
Yanks have now gone 39 straight games without a starting pitcher going longer than 7 innings.

(I'll have to do some research to find a longer stretch)

2007-04-23 19:48:57
653.   C2Coke
644 Are you gonna keep this negative for the rest of the season? No offense, I am just asking for my own sake...
2007-04-23 19:49:22
654.   C2Coke
644 Are you gonna keep this negativity for the rest of the season? No offense, I am just asking for my own sake...
2007-04-23 19:49:57
655.   Mattpat11
650 2005 only worked out because the Yankees beat the Red Sox.
2007-04-23 19:50:18
656.   Max Nomad
652 A lot of that is this year, about half. And don't count Sept, since those are tune up starts, especially last year.
2007-04-23 19:50:57
657.   rockymtnyankee
{650-651) Yeah, but the BoSox have not had the pitching they have now.
2007-04-23 19:52:06
658.   dianagramr
One other stat .... they've now gone 35 straight games using at LEAST 3 pitchers .... their longest stretch in 50 years
2007-04-23 19:52:42
659.   Chyll Will
649 The view?
2007-04-23 19:53:42
660.   Mattpat11
654 I'll will never be part of the "games in April don't count" camp, if thats what you're asking. I will not be swayed by a similar start by the 1893 Cleveland Spiders. I will not take moral victories out of devastating losses to teams that will lose 90 games this year. I don't care what happened in 1978. I don't care what happened in 2005. i don't care what happened in 1856. I care about whats going to happen in 2007.

I've also sat through several years now of all the problems that occurred during non counting April games come back with a vengeance in october.

2007-04-23 19:54:27
661.   yankz
658 We get it!!!

Wang will come and throw a 98 pitch SHO tomorrow. You heard it here first.

Coddmeyer will provide the offense. 3-4, HR, 2B, 5 RBI.

2007-04-23 19:54:40
662.   Max Nomad
658 Like I said, last september totally doesn't count. And while more than 4 pitchers stinks, 3 is probably good.
2007-04-23 19:55:12
663.   OldYanksFan
[659} Because Sheep can't cook.
2007-04-23 19:55:49
664.   dianagramr
Ok Ok .... sorry :-O

(sometimes the statgeek in me gets overhyped)

2007-04-23 19:55:57
665.   Max Nomad
661 Where've YOU been?
2007-04-23 19:56:16
666.   Chyll Will
657 So? We still scored a lot off them. When our starters actually arrive and settle in (soon), what difference will it make if Boston has all theirs?
2007-04-23 19:58:29
667.   Max Nomad
666 Boston's will regress back, especially Wakefield, Schilling, and OMG Beckett. Three did a bit when the Yanks visited Fenway, and Boston got the breaks. A lot of the Yanks failure now is bad luck, when it's not the pitching.
2007-04-23 19:58:29
668.   thelarmis
660 not that i need to explain myself, but i never said that "games in april don't count." i'd love to have a reverse W-L record. all i'm saying is that there's plenty of time to turn this ship around and i'm optimistic that we will do so soon.

i'm off to prak. rock on everyone. let's get the split tomorrow, then off to da bronx - whaddya say?!

2007-04-23 19:58:33
669.   Mattpat11
Bob Lorenz: Igawa's start tonight was disappointing on a variety of levels...

I laughed for the first time in an hour.

2007-04-23 19:59:13
670.   Max Nomad
Like someone said earlier, our Pythagorean is quite good. Just bad luck.
2007-04-23 19:59:31
671.   rockymtnyankee
{660} I am with you on that
2007-04-23 19:59:44
672.   C2Coke
660 Sigh...no, that's not what I was asking. But never mind, I have the answer to my question.
2007-04-23 20:00:29
673.   Mattpat11
672 Yay losing! Maybe we can do it tomorrow too!

Better?

2007-04-23 20:00:55
674.   Chyll Will
661 Calm down, she meant well...

663 Hmmmmm...

2007-04-23 20:01:26
675.   nick
660 ok, you get props for name-checking da Spidas...
2007-04-23 20:03:09
676.   Max Nomad
Arod batting an even .400

I love watching him. We'll come around, and if we don't, hey, we got to see Arod do THIS. Wow. Still, I have faith.

2007-04-23 20:03:44
677.   OldYanksFan
P.S. I am against bringing up Hughes. For the reason why, please read what Pete says on Lohud. Couldn't have said it better myself.
2007-04-23 20:03:55
678.   nick
it'll be ok, but we're Yanks fans, you know? high standards & all that...I'm thinking back to the old 80s days, when my dad periodically forbade watching while the Yanks were pitching--
2007-04-23 20:05:06
679.   Mattpat11
675 The 93 Spiders have been my go to rant anytime I get the "But look what the [insert year] [insert team] did after [insert number of games]! Surely this means we will do the same!
2007-04-23 20:06:15
680.   Max Nomad
Anyone here know about Jeter, too? I think he's hit safely in 54 of his last 56 games. Holy SHIT. That's damn near DiMaggio!
2007-04-23 20:06:55
681.   Mattpat11
676 I'd rather watch a world champion and see A-Rod hit 40 HR. I'm sure he would as well.

And Christ help us if A-Rod finishes with 40 HR.

2007-04-23 20:08:23
682.   Chyll Will
678 Heh-HAH! Oh Richard Dotson, we hardly knew ye... (and I'm STILL pissed about Doug Drabek...)
2007-04-23 20:11:50
683.   JL25and3
679 Not to nitpick or anything, but it's the 1899 Spiders.
2007-04-23 20:14:55
684.   Mattpat11
I'm pretty sure the 99 Spiders never came back from a poor start.
2007-04-23 20:15:44
685.   Chyll Will
683 LOL, THERE you are!
2007-04-23 20:16:01
686.   JL25and3
684 My bad. The 1899 Spiders are the ones usually cited for the extremes of anything
2007-04-23 20:16:59
687.   JL25and3
But...the 1893 Spiders finished 12.5 games out. What's the big deal?
2007-04-23 20:18:16
688.   Mattpat11
I just picked a random obscure team. I never actually looked to see what the 93 Spiders did until 20 minutes ago.
2007-04-23 20:19:38
689.   JL25and3
Well, the 1899 team was really something special.
2007-04-23 20:28:29
690.   williamnyy23
677 You've made it very clear that you are against improving the team. Pete's "analysis" on LoHud was inane. He cited Prior and Liriano as examples, but they both pitched their first full season in their age 22 season. Hughes is by far the best option the Yankees have. If you actually care about the team winning games, his promotion is three weeks too late.
2007-04-23 20:32:57
691.   Mattpat11
And I take issues with anyone considering Mark Prior the norm.
2007-04-23 20:38:19
692.   yankz
674 I know man, it was all in jest.

Some weird comments tonight. Something about Rob Gee getting a sex change and becoming thelarmis, who was in fact a man in a woman's wig all along?

Is this when most people start to turn in?

2007-04-23 20:41:47
693.   yankz
665 Sorry my man. Between slow proxies and Jack Bauer- the only man who could get to 14 homers in 24 hours- I couldn't really comment :(
2007-04-23 20:42:26
694.   yankz
664 Keep it coming, I was just joking. Your brand of doom and gloom is refreshing compared to some things we see around here.
2007-04-23 20:47:30
695.   yankz
Dammit, when is Phil Hughes available to Yahoo! leagues?
2007-04-23 20:56:18
696.   bbfan1
"maximumnomad:
Boston got the breaks. A lot of the Yanks failure now is bad luck, when it's not the pitching."

That's some funny stuff. Have you ever played baseball? Luck? It goes both ways. Sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't. But jeter himself would laugh at that comment.

2007-04-23 20:57:39
697.   Max Nomad
OK, so ARod needs 1 more RBI for the April record, and 19 more for Dimaggio's one monther (if you don't count pre-1900). Oh, and Jorgie has the March record for RBI, with 6:

http://tinyurl.com/24xcbf

2007-04-23 21:00:41
698.   Max Nomad
696 I played Junior Varsity in college, and you twisted my words a bit. I meant to say that if not for usually reliable Mo and overused Proctor, we'd be better. I back it up with the Pythagorean stuff. Check out our wins according to Runs and Runs Allowed. Not bad over a full season, and neck and neck with the Sox.

Think about it. If we do OK up to the weekend, and take 2/3 from the Sox, we're right back in it, if we aren't already.

2007-04-24 03:36:14
699.   randym77
Yes, luck goes both ways...but it can be very streaky. Hence the attention the stat geeks give to numbers like BABIP. It's an indication of how much a player has been hurt - or helped - by luck.

Last year, Boston looked unstoppable. But many statheads pointed to the Pythagorean and other numbers, and said they had just been lucky. The WSJ called the Red Sox the "luckiest team in baseball" based on their analysis. Some Sox trolls came here while we were discussing it and laughed at the idea that luck could be behind their team's success.

But what happened at the end of the season? The Red Sox returned to their mean. "Unstoppable" Boston finished in third place.

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