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2007-02-16 22:18
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

Every year players get ouchies in spring training as a normal part of getting back in shape. Folks always overreact. The Yankees haven't been in camp a week yet and they already have their first "casualty." Steven White tweaked his neck. He left camp in a neck brace and got an MRI, but Joe Torre thinks he just slept wrong and will be back in action early next week.

In other news, Raul Chavez got the cast off his broken glove hand and could be catching bullpen sessions in about a week. He should be ready to go once games start in March. I still think he has no shot at making the Opening Day roster, but it looks like he'll get a chance to try after all.

Comments
2007-02-16 22:35:37
1.   Gagne55
A cross-posting Dodger fan takes the first comment.
2007-02-16 22:39:04
2.   Cliff Corcoran
All of a sudden it's become a trend to use the first comment to say little other than "I'm first!" Not to single out Gagne55, but when did it become a game to try to get the first comment? This seems like a recent development. Am I just out of touch?
2007-02-16 23:34:50
3.   Rich
The most ominous news coming out of ST to this point is the increasing signs that Bernie is going to get a spot on the 25 man roster because Torre cares more about sentiment than ability. I would have hoped that Cash would have reined Torre in.
2007-02-17 03:53:26
4.   unmoderated
cliff, in another very popular forum-based website i frequent, it became such a problem that they had to filter the phrase "first post," which would then change the time stamp to 12 hours in the future, effectively making it the last post. i'm not sure why it's so desirable.
2007-02-17 04:14:34
5.   Shaun P
3 Its sad, and if it happens, then Torre has got to go when his contract is up, or he'll keep Bernie around for as long as Bernie wants to play - no matter the cost.

Sigh.

No one else has sad it yet, so I will - there's only answer to this. Bernie must have acquired those compromising pics of Torre that were Tanyon Sturtze's key to playing time while he was in pinstripes.

You would think Joe would stop falling for this old threat, but apparently not.

2 4 It seems stupid to me, but what do I know?

2007-02-17 06:34:09
6.   Sliced Bread
Anybody catch Kay's interview with Hughes yesterday?

The kid already speaks with the poise and game intelligence of an established ace. Deep voice, too.

He's not cocky, but is aware of his ability and what is expected of him. Very mature.

Says he wouldn't mind spending the season in Triple-A if that's what the organization wants.

Humbly shrugs off comparisons to Clemens, but acknowledges his delivery and style is similar to him and Schilling.

Best question: Kay asks him: 7th inning, 2 outs, runners on, 2-2 count what do you throw?

Hughes shoots back: Who's the batter?

Kay: Vlad.

Hughes knows Vlad loves to hit pitches out of the zone, but says he'd have to go to his "bread and butter" and bring it fast and inside on him. "If Vlad gets his hands around and turns on it, you have to tip your cap to him, but I've got to go to my bread and butter there." (or something like that)

I got chills listening to him, and literally pumped my fist in the car when he described going after Vlady.

I know, I know, long way to go, but I can't wait to see him pitch in the bigs.

2007-02-17 06:34:14
7.   Sliced Bread
Anybody catch Kay's interview with Hughes yesterday?

The kid already speaks with the poise and game intelligence of an established ace. Deep voice, too.

He's not cocky, but is aware of his ability and what is expected of him. Very mature.

Says he wouldn't mind spending the season in Triple-A if that's what the organization wants.

Humbly shrugs off comparisons to Clemens, but acknowledges his delivery and style is similar to him and Schilling.

Best question: Kay asks him: 7th inning, 2 outs, runners on, 2-2 count what do you throw?

Hughes shoots back: Who's the batter?

Kay: Vlad.

Hughes knows Vlad loves to hit pitches out of the zone, but says he'd have to go to his "bread and butter" and bring it fast and inside on him. "If Vlad gets his hands around and turns on it, you have to tip your cap to him, but I've got to go to my bread and butter there." (or something like that)

I got chills listening to him, and literally pumped my fist in the car when he described going after Vlady.

I know, I know, long way to go, but I can't wait to see him pitch in the bigs.

2007-02-17 06:34:16
8.   Sliced Bread
Anybody catch Kay's interview with Hughes yesterday?

The kid already speaks with the poise and game intelligence of an established ace. Deep voice, too.

He's not cocky, but is aware of his ability and what is expected of him. Very mature.

Says he wouldn't mind spending the season in Triple-A if that's what the organization wants.

Humbly shrugs off comparisons to Clemens, but acknowledges his delivery and style is similar to him and Schilling.

Best question: Kay asks him: 7th inning, 2 outs, runners on, 2-2 count what do you throw?

Hughes shoots back: Who's the batter?

Kay: Vlad.

Hughes knows Vlad loves to hit pitches out of the zone, but says he'd have to go to his "bread and butter" and bring it fast and inside on him. "If Vlad gets his hands around and turns on it, you have to tip your cap to him, but I've got to go to my bread and butter there." (or something like that)

I got chills listening to him, and literally pumped my fist in the car when he described going after Vlady.

I know, I know, long way to go, but I can't wait to see him pitch in the bigs.

2007-02-17 06:35:09
9.   Sliced Bread
sorry, all. not sure what happened there. preview didn't work. oops.
2007-02-17 06:47:19
10.   dianagramr
9

you are just really really really excited about Hughes perhaps?

2007-02-17 07:01:47
11.   Sliced Bread
10 That, and maybe a few too many cups of the dark roast.
2007-02-17 07:29:11
12.   yankz
Jeez, Sliced, we get it.

That interview is amazing. I can't wait for this kid.

2007-02-17 07:30:12
13.   yankz
12 I was being sarcastic in the first part ;)
2007-02-17 08:04:57
14.   Zack
I have a great image of you, Sliced, pumping your fist in the car and then realziing that you just did that to an interview and looking around in case anyone noticed. Just my embellishment.

In any case, all he has to say is that with Ortiz up he'd do the same, push his big elbow pad off the plate a few times, and I'd be fist pumping too...

2007-02-17 08:20:35
15.   Chyll Will
He had me on "Who's the batter?"
2007-02-17 08:28:29
16.   Chyll Will
But seriously Cliff, if say Pavano were to sleep on his neck wrong, would people overreact? (A much easier question would be: If a tree falls in the forest and no one's around to hear it, ...)
2007-02-17 10:04:26
17.   SF Yanks
2 Cliff, I remember awhile back someone getting that first post and doing something similiar as the above and then Alex saying in the second post:

"Best.Post.Ever."
with other words I can't remember.

So it seems that since it was intriguing to one of the writets(Alex), people thought it would be funny everytime. At least in the beginning. But now it's just the thing to do.

2007-02-17 10:06:15
18.   SF Yanks
*writers
2007-02-17 12:05:15
19.   yankz
For more on The One, check out Jorge Posada's take via Pete Abraham.
2007-02-17 12:38:51
20.   thelarmis
2 4 5 i think it's kinda fun & funny. not that big a deal...

17 SF Yanks, is still my favortie leadoff post - when he/she starting thanking 'all the little people' type of speech. i thought that was hilarious! : )

19 i always trust what posada has to say in these instances. IIRC, he had much praise about Wang this time last year. pete abe's blog is becoming even more essential every day.

good lord, i can't wait for the season to start!

2007-02-17 12:40:40
21.   Cliff Corcoran
20 Not a big deal, I was just curious. The Daily Show should get Dmitri Martin on it in their "Trend Watching" segment.
2007-02-17 13:00:05
22.   thelarmis
21 oh, cool! i thought it started toward the end of the season, when someone got the top spot and said, something like 'hey, i'm batting leadoff' or "i'm rickey henderson." i remember the 3rd post reading: "i'm bobby abreu" i dunno, i thought it was clever...

thanks for the great posts lately and i always love anything number oriented, so the last thread on spring training #'s was a fun read!

2007-02-17 13:22:21
23.   jayd
2 4 5 It is a monster honor to post first, don't let anyone kid you. Just getting your name up there first; you almost feel the klieg lights burning from your computer screen.

Loved Jeter's ribbing of Mussina for getting his story all over the back pages for his mouth instead of his arm. Ever notice how Moose cloaks everything he says with the "guys in the clubhouse" ?

Keith Foulke GONE. The latest from the disaster ridden '04 Sawks Season. Where will it all end? Such Misery and Wretchedness, if ever a championship was damned...

2007-02-17 15:53:42
24.   Peter
Another item of note from Pete Abraham's blog: Kei Igawa just found out he likes hot dogs. I'm not sure why I find that as funny as I do, but I really hope things work out well with him.
2007-02-17 15:59:54
25.   Chyll Will
17 That was kylepetterson, "I'd like to start by saying that I am awesome", or words to that effect. That was cool, followed by others falling into place and shouting out Yankee players whose number they held in place. My favorite:

5. (Don't remember whom)
Well,

6. (DRW)
I've got...

7. (DRW)
...Mantle!

That was cool.

23 I hear you. Consider the fact that the Yanks in every year they won from 96 on had some tragedy to deal with. (Was that true for 2000?) It's the Sux' turn to pay the piper, but played out over the years since they broke up the team PDQ afterwards.

2007-02-17 16:05:26
26.   Chyll Will
24 He could've said the "w" word, but then Tim Hardaway would have had a problem with that...
2007-02-17 16:15:30
27.   joejoejoe
The first poster should say 'Now batting...Karim Garcia.'
2007-02-17 20:06:53
28.   Bama Yankee
Then the second poster could say 'Now pitching...Pedro Martinez'
2007-02-17 21:19:42
29.   BklynBmr
2 Funny you mention that, Cliff. I logged in somewhere between 10 and 11pm (Pacific Time) Friday night, and noticed zero comments on both this post and the previous 'What Do The Numbers Say?' — and for a split second thought: "Hey, I can have the 'shotgun' Daily Double here!"... but decided against it on the sole basis of not having anything of value to add at that moment beyond that...

To me, it's fun and no biggie either way, but your comments on how the 'first post' thing has taken on a life of it's own was timely.

And just to ensure this post adds a little something, here's a short but sweet homage to Jorge found on the 'Yankees for Justice' blog:

http://tinyurl.com/2nvwgx

Personally, I like this site alot, the guy can write. Plus, more good 'stuff you never really hear about' over at LoHud: Pete A. vs The Unit.

2007-02-17 22:05:21
30.   TheWord
Love the article on Jorge. Posada is one of my favorite Yankees for that very reason. I've always felt he was more of a leader than Derek Jeter.

Hey... how do you guys put links in your posts?

2007-02-17 22:36:31
31.   yankz
Joe DiMaggio wore number 5.
2007-02-17 22:56:31
32.   Chyll Will
29 C'mon, Bklyn, it's all right to cut loose every once in a while, especially during and coming out of off-season. This place is very unique for that, honestly. An informative, intelligent AND entertaining baseball blog. I love this as a business model.

But my promise to you, I'll keep it above the belt this season, despite what 26 would imply... learning to appreciate stats is grimy work for an arteur... g'night!

2007-02-17 22:56:42
33.   yankz
Wow, I just realized that that was not at all what Chyll was talking about. Whatever, it's really late.
2007-02-17 23:01:29
34.   yankz
Hughes usually struggles initially after jumping levels, but I'm expecting him to dominate AAA right off the bat. Call me unrealistic, but I am incredibly pumped.
2007-02-17 23:08:48
35.   Chyll Will
31 I remember when I was 5... I had a love/hate relationship with kindergarten.

I would also sneak down to the General Motors plant halfway down the block and through the enormous parking lot, up the escalators, across the overpass and down more escalators to the security desk and tell them I was there to pick up my Mom.

Not during kindergarten class, mind you. During class, I would sneak out to the playground and lay on top of Snoopy's doghouse >;)

2007-02-17 23:22:17
36.   Chyll Will
33 What was I talking about? It usually takes people a day or two to catch up with what I said, then the knees buckle and the head wobbles and there's this anguished laugh while people are staring at you and wondering whether to call 911. At least that's what the doctor told me. Well you know what they say, if you can do a halfway decent imitation of Stephen Wright on quaaludes every now and then, then you've done a quarter of a decent job to say the quad root of the nominal. zzz...
2007-02-17 23:26:37
37.   Chyll Will
34 zzz... Imelda Marcos pumped, exploding Reeboks pumped, ExxonMobile pumped, I don't get it, what zzz...
2007-02-17 23:46:43
38.   BklynBmr
32 Hey, Chyll — Please don't read me wrong. I'm by no means putting down the antics of 'shotgun', my brother. Personally, I think it's funny, and a BaseballToaster original at that.

I shoulda said I had no creative writing idea to nail two shotguns at that moment ;-) I just thought it was funny Cliff commented on just that...

30 TheWord: To link to a post, just place brackets [ ] around the post number you're referring to...

2007-02-18 00:56:25
39.   mikeplugh
I believe Clemens will be a Yankee by mid-Summer or he'll retire. I think those are the two choices. Jeter hung out with Roger very recently and I think Yankees insiders know what the timeframe is.....

Also, Phil Hughes is on target to start his Yankees career this year. He'll join in June or something.

The rotation by the end of the season will be:

Moose
Pettitte
Clemens
Wang
Hughes

Igawa will be in the mix somehow, and Pavano will be out. Just my guess right now. If Clemens isn't in the picture, replace him up there with Igawa. Nice rotation.

2007-02-18 08:34:17
40.   yankz
Chyll, I realized that you were imitating someone with the 5, 6, 7 thing, but initially I thought that you didn't remember who wore number 5.
2007-02-18 10:08:39
41.   Zack
Anyone else catch the photo of Schill and DK at www.bostondirtdogs.com? It may just be the angle, but good Lord is that a belly on Curt!
2007-02-18 14:17:49
42.   yankz
What is this, the calm before the storm? A-Rod does arrive soon...
2007-02-18 14:25:22
43.   OldYanksFan
39 I thin Ragah is a good guess, but why do you think Hughes is in the MLB in June? My impression is the Yanks HOPE they DON'T need to rush him up this year.

I think they only bring him up if they need a difference maker.

2007-02-18 14:27:17
44.   The Mick 536
Can we move back to throwing, catching, running, and all the rest of the things that make the game the game, eh.

BTW, how fitting to be pulled over for a across the street from a bail bondsman. I don't judge, but the scene could be played by Hugh Grant. I liked the "out for blueberries" used for the Mets GM that was mentioned in today's NYT.

2007-02-18 14:51:10
45.   Chyll Will
39 Looks real good. How many starts are you giving Kartens and Rasner? I like that even if three of the guys listed don't make it to 20 starts, there's a few guys ready to pick up the slack.

38, 40 I tease people I like. It's hard to imply a smirk when I write until you get used to my style. No worries, and don't kid yourself about not being creative >;)

Speaking of smirks, my greatest accomplishment as a family member is communicating through expressions. My oldest sister had become leery of me when she saw me smirk or heard me snort, because she thought I had or was about to say something extremely sarcastic about her. (You have to know how to defend yourself when you're the youngest.)

2007-02-18 15:30:09
46.   yankz
I took this from the Dodger Thoughts Kids Weekend thread, it's the most adorable video ever:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JMcxIZiO1qQ

I got my baseball start a few years later than that kid, but I still feel the same way as him. We can complain about something, or analyze A-rod, or dissect numbers, but that boy reminded me of the real reasons baseball is the greatest game ever created.

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