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Big Doings in Beantown
2006-12-14 05:25
by Alex Belth

While the Sox finally landed their man from Japan (a baby-faced killer if there ever was one), the Yanks are considering a minor deal for pitcher Joel Pineiro. And what about Bernie?

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2006-12-14 05:40:46
1.   Yankee Fan In Boston
did this cross anyone else's mind?

last night a local newscast mentioned that matsuzaka's wife is a sports reporter.

my first thought was that she'd end up working for NESN, covering the team in japanese, and would be paid about $4M per year, essentially paying matsuzaka $12M per year and bypassing payroll/luxury tax issues.

2006-12-14 05:43:34
2.   Jim Dean
Seems old friend Pags runs a consulting business based on scouting the Pacific rim. Not much interesting here, except that he says the Sox really did their homework in posting at $50 million:

http://tinyurl.com/v4bnj

Even if DM wins the Cy Young for six straight years, I'll still be glad the Yanks didn't take on that risk and stress. They seem to be moving in the right direction - except when you see guys like Pineiro being discussed.

2006-12-14 05:50:38
3.   jonnystrongleg
2 Thank goodness you've been spared the stress! 6 straight Cy Youngs for the Sox is a small price to pay for your even keel! ;)
2006-12-14 05:53:47
4.   Yankee Fan In Boston
2 good to see pags is getting some ink.

3 i'll believe that when it happens, and even if it did, i wouldn't.

yeah.

i know that made no sense, but i'm surfing a wave of cold medicine, so i don't particularly care...

2006-12-14 05:56:53
5.   Dan M
I like how Josh Phelps is referred to as "Tommy Phelps" in one of the linked articles, and "Josh Phillips" in another. No respect.
2006-12-14 06:03:38
6.   mainmanmaitland
DM won't get 6 Cy Youngs. Matsuzaka going to the BoSox doesn't make Santana go away (or Wang for that matter).
2006-12-14 06:03:39
7.   Jim Dean
1 Well it seems they put Michelle Damon on the air, so it wouldn't be a surprise. But still that's high. If she's good, sure an extra bonus, but how can she really report on her husband's team and still be seriously considered a reporter. Now, a TWIB style show in Japanese about American baseball - though there has to be one already? If she's hot I'd watch it.

3 If any Yankee fan comes back in two years and says they should have gotten DM for 103 million, they're lying. The vast majority though that: a) 50 million was too much; and b) the contract would be more. Even if folks thought he'd be affordable for contract, they still thought that 50 million was too much just to talk to him. High risk, high reward for the team that desparately needs the reward.

2006-12-14 06:05:17
8.   mikeplugh
Mrs. Matsuzaka is not going to be on the air. Japanese wives accompany their husbands, stay home, and take care of the kids. I'm not trying to stereotype, or sound sexist. It's a cultural pattern. Ichiro's wife did the same thing.
2006-12-14 06:06:19
9.   Simone
2Matsuzaka is worth all that risk and stress. He will be a good pitcher for the Red Sox. It is a shame that the Yankees worth able to sign him.

IMO, the only positive of the Matsuzaka signing that all the Red Sox trolls should be retreating back into their roach motels soon enough.

2006-12-14 06:07:20
10.   Simone
9 I meant "...were not able to sign him."
2006-12-14 06:07:58
11.   Jim Dean
6 It was an extreme example to show how silly the whole situation has been - just like Dog Mirabelli getting a police escort for an early season game. BTW: They re-signed him yesterday. Don't be surprised when he's released in May. And to realize they traded Bard and Cla for him - except to shudder to think that a similar deal could be in the Yanks future if Jorge goes down.
2006-12-14 06:10:55
12.   mikeplugh
7 Also, there is no such thing as a serious Japanese reporter. (To be honest, there are a few....very few.) Not that the American media has much serious journalism in 2006.

Japanese reporters are almost always completely in bed with the people they are covering. Take this snippet from a very interesting research piece:

"The Press Club System

A major reason for this is the press club system through which mainstream media cover Japanese government, politics, business, labor and even crime. Japan's "press clubs" share nothing in common with press clubs in the United States, where reporters eat, drink, talk, and occasionally listen to guest speakers. In Japan, the press clubs at government ministries, business organizations, labor federations, sports teams, and even police stations throughout the country provide an exclusive venue for news to be announced; and they designate the reporters eligible to cover the announcements.

The designated reporters are the members of the clubs. News organizations whose reporters are entitled to membership run the clubs, and those who don't belong-such as all reporters for all of the magazines in Japan-cannot attend press conferences. Japanese reporters, not government officials or businessmen who give news conferences to the press clubs, determine who can and cannot attend."

http://tinyurl.com/sbzvw

2006-12-14 06:12:42
13.   Jim Dean
8 I like the servient bit. But is she a nice piece of sashimi?

9 Please point to where YOU said 50 million was good just to talk to him? Even Mike got off the bandwagon at that point. Otherwise, no second guessing allowed.

2006-12-14 06:15:55
14.   Sliced Bread
I'm over my initial shock and bitterness of seeing Matsuzaka go to Boston for an Adam Eaton salary.
Good luck to him, but hopefully the Yanks will have success against him.

1 Interesting theory, but I'd be surprised if a NESN reporter made more than a tenth of that amount.

2006-12-14 06:18:15
15.   Yankee Fan In Boston
12 interesting stuff.

i was just looking for a way for the sox to cheat the system. by having the missus do a few fluff pieces here and there, they could pay daisuke through NESN... essentially laundering the money to avoid paying luxury taxes.

...i don't honestly expect this to happen, just blowing smoke.

2006-12-14 06:18:50
16.   mikeplugh
13 Yes, she's beautiful.

I'm with Simone on one aspect of her statement. I think Matsuzaka will be one of the Top 5 pitchers in the world when all is said and done. The Red Sox just made a total coup in my opinion. The part I step back on is the $51 million posting fee. I think it was stupid and cold have easily backfired on them had Matsuzaka played his cards better. Had he waited to say goodbye to Japan, publicly announced that he may be back if the situation isn't right, and held his cards closer to his vest, he may have made an extra 10-12 million more over 6 years.

It's a moot point though. The Sox scored big. If you could have guaranteed me a month ago that I could sign him for $9 million a season, I would have bid $52 million. No one knew that though, so it's 20/20, and I'm glad we stayed out of it.

2006-12-14 06:19:37
17.   Yankee Fan In Boston
13 from the fottage i saw, she is a beautiful woman.
2006-12-14 06:20:27
18.   mikeplugh
Enough of Matsuzaka. Over at Peter's blog, there's talk that the Yankees are looking at Mientkiewicz. I wouldn't touch him with a 500-foot pole. The last 3 years have been injury rittled, powerless, left-handed, and below league average defensively. Phillips is fine with me if Wilson isn't signed.

Anyone hear anything on Wilson? Is Cash even seriously considering resigning him?

2006-12-14 06:20:38
19.   jonnystrongleg
7 I understand that the financial commitment to this guy scares you. But by saying: "If any Yankee fan comes back in two years and says they should have gotten DM for 103 million, they're lying" you're way off base. Several Yankee fans wanted the pitcher at whatever cost it took.

You may be proven correct, you may not, but don't paint future regret as dishonest second guessing from the Matsuzaka supporters.

2006-12-14 06:23:25
20.   Yankee Fan In Boston
18 "Enough of Matsuzaka."

that's funny, coming from you.

2006-12-14 06:25:08
21.   mikeplugh
I know. Kind of ironic, but you have to understand that the news over here is plastered wall to wall with Red Sox now. They are doing fluff pieced on David Ortiz, and showing A-Rod getting suckered by Varitek and his mask.

People are wearing Red Sox hats...ALREADY!

I hate this shit.

2006-12-14 06:30:05
22.   Sliced Bread
18 Yo, Mr. Plugh with the boy on the way!
Best to you and your growing family.

I agree it looks like the Sox scored big with Matsuzaka - but enough talking about how the deal went down. Next time I want to read about him is in one of Cliff or Alex's pregame write ups.

I also agree say "no-kiewicz" Phillips or Wilson works for me.

2006-12-14 06:31:06
23.   mainmanmaitland
I believe (and I hate to admit it) that Matsuzaka will be a good (maybe great) pitcher for the Sox and like Mike I'm sorry we didn't get a chance to sign him.

The situation with him and his posting still annoys me though. Once the Lions got that bid they were so determined to keep that money I get the feeling that the Sox could have offered Matsuzaka $5 million a year and the Lions would have still made it impossible for DM to return to play in Japan if he wanted to.

It's like it was DM's fault that the Lions were in financial trouble and he had to take the hit when negotiating with the Red Sox for his contract to get them out of it.

2006-12-14 06:31:32
24.   mikeplugh
22 Thanks Sliced. Baby is two weeks away. My wife is a lefty, and I've got my fingers crossed.
2006-12-14 06:32:20
25.   Yankee Fan In Boston
21 if it helps at all, i endure the same thing.
of course, it must be bizarre over there...
have they started imitating the accent yet? 'cause that's when i'd wave the white flag.
best of luck. stay strong.
when i feel that i'm being bombarded with red sox-itude, i usually pop in a yankeeography dvd, pull the shades, and crack a bottle of liquor.
2006-12-14 06:35:15
26.   mikeplugh
23 The thing is, there is a cultural imperative to fall in line with your employer. It's a thousand year old remnant of the feudal mentality. Even though Seibu and the rest of the old guard ownership subject their athletes to a kind of indentured servitude by forcing them to sign 10 year contracts, there is no strike. There isn't even so much as a complaint.

Once guys hit free agency, they are usually signed to one year deals so the team can reduce their pay if they don't put up the same numbers. If your average drops 10 points and you hit 5 less homers, you get a pay cut.

There's so much collusion here it's criminal. The players won't strike, and actually feel grateful that someone will pay them to play baseball. It's sick.

2006-12-14 06:35:17
27.   Yankee Fan In Boston
24 awesome. congrats.
2006-12-14 06:36:21
28.   Jim Dean
12 & 16 Interesting, and thanks for your honesty.

See, I think I'd be more worried about DM, if it wasn't for the Beckett episode last year. He was supposed to come in and be the lights out ace, had beaten the Yanks in the Serious, and was still very young. I felt a real stomach punch from that move, combined with the lingering effects of a piece of Meat that just didn't taste Wright.

One year later? The team finished in third place. And Beckett was far, very far, from advertised. Oh, and the Sox lost heavily in the deal. Now I'm supposed to forget all that and assume they made an amazing deal?

I just can't get out of my head that the best hitters (Ichiro, Godziller) from Japanese baseball come over here and hit fewer homers and walk less while K'ing more. And those were their iconic players akin to Pujols and A-Rod and Vlad and Manny, even as the number of American players are restricted. In America the Japanese stars are above average players - there are three of them on every team. What's going to happen when DM has to face 8 guys in a lineup that hit like Godziller, as on the Yanks?

Beckett came to the AL East and gave up more homers while walking more and K'ing less. And we saw what happened. DM's now got to prove it on the field, in the most demanding town in the league, to justify a huge salary and satisfy an even bigger fan base. Let's see him do it.

2006-12-14 06:36:26
29.   yankz
11 Dog Mirabelli...was that money shot typo intentional?
2006-12-14 06:37:43
30.   mikeplugh
25 I'm not too worried come March. There will be Matsuzaka craze for a while, but he only pitches every 5 days. I'll get plenty of Matsui, Ichiro, and Iguchi. If Iwamura ever signs in Tampa he'll get some run too.

My greatest fear is that the Sox continue their big spending ways, sign Ichiro in the offseason, and take over all of Japan. It could happen. There is also the matter of Kosuke Fukudome, the Central League MVP, who is a FA next season. He is a doubles, gap hitter with a .400+ OBP. He's a perfect fit for Fenway.

Next year is when the shit hits the fan.

2006-12-14 06:38:46
31.   mikeplugh
Gotta sleep. See you in the "morning" y'all.
2006-12-14 06:42:00
32.   Jim Dean
19 Show me the money quote from anyone on this blog, or any other, that said - "What!? Why didn't the Yanks bid 52 million!?"

Revisionist history is a wonderful thing. But it doesn't apply in this case.

24 That's funny.

2006-12-14 06:42:14
33.   mainmanmaitland
Mike (all the best to you with the baby on the way) and thanks again for being the Banter's eyes and ears in Japan. Sorry you have to deal with all the Red Sox coverage due the signing.

With luck you will get to see their reaction when the BoSox finish 2nd or (if we are lucky) 3rd again next season.

2006-12-14 06:48:15
34.   Yankee Fan In Boston
in other news, joel zumaya was injured at the end of the season.

he injured his pitching arm playing "guitar hero."

http://tinyurl.com/y9df8a

that is one of the best injury stories i've heard.

2006-12-14 06:52:19
35.   Andre
32 I said just prior to the close of the posting period (if you search on my name I'm sure you'd find it). I'm of the mind that I don't care what the Yankees pay for a player - if he's that good then I want him on our team. I think I did suggest $50million at the time too, although that turned out to be just a bit short. Do you think I'd cry if the Yanks spent $20million for 2 months of Clemens? Would it be financial insanity? Yes. But if it helps the Yanks win another World Series then I'm all for it.
2006-12-14 06:54:21
36.   Jim Dean
11 Initially no - then I left it. Seems about right.

BTW: I just can't believe how much an 8 game win streak at the right time in 2004 changed perceptions so wildly. Now I'm supposed to be worried about every move they make?

They just signed Nancy Drew, Julio ".760 OPS" Lugo, and a piece of sushi to $200 million worth of contracts after finishing ten games out in 3rd place. I'm supposed to be afraid of the big bad bloody tampon? Am I really alone here?

By contrast, the Yanks have done nothing but get younger and better without dropping serious cash. They have the prospects and flexibility to trade for anyone that's available. And they'll lose close to $40 million in salary next off-season (Abreu and Unit) with reinforcements from the farm on the way.

I really can't wait until April...

2006-12-14 06:58:22
37.   jonnystrongleg
32 You're basing the opinion of the entire Yankee-fandom on what appears in Bronx Banter - it's a big city. Since you're being antagonistic and combative, I'll just say:
1)I am a Yankee fan.
2)I wish the Yanks bid more than the Red Sox.

I know I'm not alone in that, sorry if your exposure to alternative opinion is limited.

2006-12-14 06:59:53
38.   Jim Dean
35 You wanna prove it - you show me. And then show me ten other people that thought the same way. That feeling was the vast minority but always exists no matter who the players are. And they're usually the same folks (not saying you are) who bemoan all the money down the line.

The problem is that "if he's that good" qualification. No one who really thought he was "that good" thought he was worth a $50 million posting fee. And if it was the Yanks the coverage would have been brutally negative.

Still, let's see him prove that he's "that good".

2006-12-14 07:02:47
39.   jonnystrongleg
38 I hope you realize you are posting on blog of Yankee fans and nobody has to "prove" their opinions to you. Seriously, Back the f up.
2006-12-14 07:06:36
40.   Jim Dean
37 You're saying that now and you post on the Banter. Why didn't you say it here thirty days ago?

Further, show me any Yankee blog anywhere where a significant number of people were posting the same thing.

There will always be a certain segment of Yankee fans that thinks they should always spend more than anyone else. Me and those folks don't have much to talk about because their reasons are seldom based on facts. Group yourself where ever you'd like.

2006-12-14 07:09:24
41.   Jim Dean
39 Whoa, easy buddy. Taking this a bit seriously, no?

It's easy to play the second guessing game. In this case it doesn't apply.

2006-12-14 07:18:57
42.   jonnystrongleg
41 Here is your proof from the post: WRIGHT AWAY when we found out the Red Sox won the bid.

Now that I have wasted my time to go back into archives to "prove" to you that my opinion is not "second guessing" I'd like to take this time to bash myself in the forehead for blowing the last 10 minutes of my life on you.

"153. jonnystrongleg
147 & 148 Not crazy at all. Assuming the Boston rumors are true, the pitcher and the agent represent the only question mark. I work at a Japanese firm and everybody here is bummed the Yanks didn't win but they are convinced he will signwith the Red Sox because more than anything else he wants to pitch in MLB ASAP.

2006-11-13 13:45:11154."

2006-12-14 07:35:48
43.   Jim Dean
43 Alot of anger there. Congrats. You deserve a pat on the back. You were in the vast minority.

If you want a good laugh, my words from yesterday were stolen verbatim by the old Soxholix. I wonder if he's the troll "ric"? Still, if he was going to steal my words, the least he could have done was given me my own character.

I'm glad the games are played on the field. The season will be entertaining, at the very least.

2006-12-14 07:38:24
44.   jonnystrongleg
43 Yeah, I guess it does make me angry to have fellow poster demand proof of when I formed my opinion and insinuate that I'm lying. Congrats for causing that anger.
2006-12-14 07:38:24
45.   jakewoods
Why would Pineiro sign with the Yankees to be the long man when he can be a starter somewhere else and up his value?
2006-12-14 07:45:07
46.   Jim Dean
44 Sorry man - never said you were liar. But if you look at your own quote - it's not like you were saying the Yanks should have done it - just that it was reasonable. There's a difference. And no I'm not a lawyer.
2006-12-14 07:49:17
47.   Just fair
I am certainly not freaked out that Matsuzaka will somehow shift the balance of power in the AL East. We all remember Irabu and more recently Contreras. Jose had his moments with the Yanks before finding a better groove with the White Sox. I will look forward to the first time Matsuzaka faces the Yankee lineup. I hope he gets pummeled then and each time thereafter.
2006-12-14 07:51:06
48.   jonnystrongleg
46 The media led us all to believe the winning post would be around 30 mill. we were all in a state of shock when we heard the sox bid 51. Nobody knew what to make of it. Since it was a blind bid, it wasn't like the yanks ran out of the kitchen cuz they couldn't take the heat. they just didn't/couldn't know what the sox & mets would bid. So there will be no statements saying the Yanks should have bid X. After the bid you could either be happy or disappointed that they lost. I stand in the disappointed camp.

So when you said any yankee fan who says the yanks should have paid 103 million for this guy is lying, how was I supposed to take that?

2006-12-14 07:56:10
49.   jakewoods
51

Key thing. Never listen to the media.

2006-12-14 07:57:01
50.   Count Zero
46 Commendable restraint on your part. :-)

Personally, I'm with you -- whether or not D-M turns out to be worth $103MM over 6 remains to be seen. Beckett is a good example. And Schilling did get them that ring '04, but he hasn't exactly been dominant since then.

My real concern is this: I was (and I think many other were, although I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth here heh) quite happy with our direction when we traded Sheff for pitching prospects and stood on the sidelines as the ridiculous FA signings went zooming by. I really believe that developing our farm system the way "The Stick" did in the early 90s is the way to go.

But now...we sign a 34 year old FA with a history of elbow problems to what will most likely be a two-year deal. We're talking about Clemens and Pineiro and all manner of bad FA moves. We let Wilson and Guiel walk, and Melky's name is in a trade rumor every day. I'm getting a bit nervous now...beginning to look more and more like "business as usual" every day.

If the Sox want to try "big spending" their way to limited success the same way we have for the last 5 years, let them do it. I think it will work just about as well for them as it has for us.

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2006-12-14 08:00:22
51.   williamnyy23
2 I wouldn't put much weight in Pagliarulo's opinion. Here is a 2002 MLB.com profile on Pags that mentions his assessment of Kaz Ishi.

The latest Japanese import is pitcher Kazuhisa Ishii, who is likely headed to the Los Angeles Dodgers after his Japanese team accepted a bid of more than $11 million for his rights. Pagliarulo is very high on Ishii, whom he told many teams about during last month's Winter Meetings in Boston.
"I was telling everyone about this guy at the Winter Meetings," Pagliarulo said. "We gave the Dodgers a full scouting report with video clips on this guy. Willie played with him and I played against him. We had really good information on him."

I also don't get the notion that the Red Sox are getting a steal. When you add in the posting fee, perks and incentives, the deal could cost the Red Sox $19mn per year. Correct me if I am wrong, but outside of Clemens, no pitcher has ever made such a high annual salary. As much as I would ha