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2006-10-17 05:31
by Alex Belth

There was no game last night, but plenty of action in the St. Louis press.

The first Alex Rodriguez trade rumor has sprouted up, what with Sweet Lou taking over for Dusty Baker in Chicago. Rich Lederer asks some initial questions. Also, while you are there, check out Jeff Albert's examination of Derek Jeter's swing.

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2006-10-17 06:15:34
1.   rbj
What do the Cubs have to offer for A-Rod?
What can the Cubs spin off to another team to get enough for A-Rod?
I want an above average 3B plus an ace.
2006-10-17 06:28:54
2.   Simone
The Cubs would have to offer Carlos Zambrano and Aramis Ramirez for A-Rod. Of course, they would have to pay for both salaries. Ha. Obviously, Lou and the Cubs are delusional. Why on earth would A-Rod agree to be traded to the Cubs? With that no trade clause and the out after next season he can dictate where he goes. Why would he want to back to a loser club after doing everything that he could to get out of Texas? He doesn't have a magical cure for chronically injured pitchers. Maybe A-Rod considers the White Sox or another playoff club, but the Yankees aren't trading him so there ends the story.
2006-10-17 06:36:24
3.   Murray
Rodriguez must know he could post huge numbers playing in the easier league, in a hitters' ballpark like Wrigley.

I'm as annoyed with Steve Trachsel as the next New Yorker, but does the Mets' scorched earth policy toward using him again this year make any sense? If he is healthy, can they afford to pass over him out of spite? There is even a rumor that Hernandez would replace him on the Series roster if it comes to that. I find it hard to believe.

2006-10-17 06:47:00
4.   Yankee Fan In Boston
1 "I want an above average 3B plus an ace."

at least. a three for one shouldn't be out of the question.

3 the numbers rodriguez could put up at wrigley would be frightening.

2006-10-17 07:02:56
5.   Sliced Bread
Looks like the long, cold winter will go by quickly in Yankeeland.

Figure an A-Rod trade rumor will give us something to talk about for about three days.

Day 1: A-Rod is being traded to _____ for ____, ______, _______, & _______

Day 2: Why it makes sense for A-Rod to go to _______, why it's a good idea for the Yanks to trade their best player for _______, ______, ______ & ______ and how the trade will impact Jeter's lovelife.

Day 3: Yanks couldn't get enough in return for A-Rod. He stays. Discuss.

29 teams: 29 A-Rod trade rumors X 3 days per rumor = 87 days.

Next thing you know it's January 11th, NFL playoffs are in full swing, and we're about 5 weeks from pitchers & catchers.

Hoo-ray for A-Rod trade rumors. Not.

2006-10-17 07:20:05
6.   Cliff Corcoran
5 Amen.

Meanwhile, props to the Red Sox for signing John Farrell to be their new pitching coach. Farrell was the head of player development with the Indians and a former Indian hurler from the late '80s/early '90s. I spoke to him last year when I did the Indians chapter for Baseball Prospectus and was impressed by his generosity and warmth on the phone as well as how much he appears to get it when it comes to player and particularly pitcher management. With the Tribe, Farrell instituted strike-throwing incentives throughout the organization, rewarding pitchers for first pitch strikes, strikes in 1-1 counts, and overall improvement in K and BB rates. In 2005, at least, walk rates plummeted throughout the organization. Impressive stuff. Congrats to Farrell and props to the Red Sox for a smart hire.

2006-10-17 07:23:30
7.   Zavo
Suppose the Yanks don't trade Arod this offseason since I think that is probably the most likely course of action at this point.

After an offseason of rumors, he goes into next season and starts slowly. Many people are just waiting for him to not come through and boo when it happens (as I doubt the people who booed him last season will decide to stop next year). He has another solid season numbers wise, but the Yanks unfortunately don't win the World Series.

What will stop ARod from then opting out of his contract after 2007? I wouldn't blame him at that point, as there is no reason any player should take being booed at home for two years when he is an All-Star.

Does Cashman have to take this possible scenerio (one I don't think is too far fecthed) into account? It would be miserable to both lose Alex, and get nothing in return.

2006-10-17 07:38:06
8.   Sliced Bread
6 Never heard of strike-throwing incentives. Certainly worth a shot with young pitchers. I'd be interested to see how a K incentive might work with CM Wang. Was it Guidry or Posada who said Wang could whiff more hitters if he wanted to, but prefers the efficiency of inducing grounders.

A strike-1 incentive might be a good for Farnswacker. I think he's too careful sometimes when he should be trusting his upper 90's-101 mph heater.

2006-10-17 07:44:36
9.   rbj
7 25 million reasons A-Rod won't opt out. He's not going to get that kind of money anywhere else, no one in baseball is.

I predict Alex "bounces back" from this "awful" season.

2006-10-17 07:47:05
10.   Cliff Corcoran
8 Wang throws tons of strikes, but he throws to contact.
2006-10-17 07:48:34
11.   bp1
8 Not sure what sort of incentive you give a guy who's getting $7mil a year already. Incentives might work for minor leaguers who are eating at McD's, but for MLB players? Unless the whole contract is structured on incentives, I don't think it will mean that much. I think Farns wants to get guys out as much as Gator and Joe want him to.
2006-10-17 07:56:57
12.   Sliced Bread
10 But can Wang develop into more of a strike out pitcher, and would an incentive help - since he makes the minimum? He throws mid-90's. If he can work a slider or cutter into his arsenal couldn't he become a strike out pitcher?

11 I agree it's not a question of Farnswacker's desire. I think he tends to lose focus, and is sometimes too careful. A strike-1 incentive might make him more aggressive and go after batters, which is obviously better approach for him.
You're right though. How much incentive can you offer a guy who makes Farnswacker money?

2006-10-17 07:58:06
13.   Wait Til Next Year
Yanks need to seize the moment and trade A-Rod (or "AR" as my wife calls him!) to the Cubs and Lou before someone gives them some smelling salts and they snap out of it. Weak-hitting Tigers proved that Yanks have no starting pitching, other than Wang. Dump A-Rod and Pavano on the Cubs and get as many hard-throwing young studs as you can!
2006-10-17 07:58:55
14.   Knuckles
I think the Yanks should just rip up all their player contracts, announce that the 2007 payroll is $200M, and tell players that their salaries will be paid monthly, in proportion to their WARP3...
2006-10-17 07:59:29
15.   Simone
6 Pitching coaches are overrated, period. They are only as good as their pitchers.
2006-10-17 08:00:46
16.   choirboyzgirl
9- I don't think money is the driving force for Alex any more... he was willing to take a huge pay cut to go to Boston (but the Union wouldn't allow it). My guess is that pride (not being considered a failure in NYC) and ability to when a championship would be higher on Alex's list. If he doesn't want to go to another year of boos and a contending team makes him an offer I think he may say yes.

For him opting out though I think he can only do that if the Yankees don't give him an 8 million dollar raise (LMAO can Mr. Boras be my agent?) or $1 million more than the highest paid player....that would be Alex right? Not sure how that works out (if the Yankees would have to offer 1 or 8 million more).

2006-10-17 08:38:07
17.   RIYank
"...or $1 million more than the highest paid player....that would be Alex right?"

Hmmmmm.

Yes, that means that A-Rod would have to be paid an infinite quantity of money. Could happen, but man wouldn't other fans around the league squeal about that one? Not the owners, though. They'd dig the luxury tax.

2006-10-17 08:40:06
18.   pistolpete
16 My only real caveat on A-Rod is that if he can mess with the chemistry in the Yankees locker room, what sort of havoc would he wreak on the payroll-challenged Cubs' clubhouse?

Unless he's only comfortable on a team that doesn't have the sort of all-star roster that NY has. Who knows, I don't pretend to know what's going on in his head.

2006-10-17 08:43:17
19.   Shaun P
Gee, Sweet Lou is already stiring the waters in Chi-town, what a surprise.

If I was Cashmoney, I'd start the asking price for A-Rod at D-Lee, Ramirez, Carlos Zambrano, Donald Veal, and Sean Gallagher - plus enough money to pay Lee, Ramirez, and big Z.

If Hendry asked me a second time after he stopped laughing, I'd ask for those five, the money, and Felix Pie too.

I think he'd stop calling me at this point. I would be very happy, as Yankee fans the world over wouldn't have to spend every day picking apart the latest A-Rod trade rumor. And I could focus on more important tasks, like pitching.

2006-10-17 08:55:49
20.   Simone
The trade A-Rod situation is being pushed by the media and the dopey section of Yankee fans. Look at Peter Abraham, I like his blog which is informative, but he too is pushing the trade A-Rod agenda. I don't doubt that there is tension in the Yankee clubhouse surrounding A-Rod, but so what? There is no requirement that everyone get along in baseball. The players just have to produce on the field and win.

This situation actually reminds me of the agenda that the same media has against T.O. These are athletes who the media have grudges against for one reason or the other so they pursue their agenda and exaggerate everything that happens with the athlete. T.O. didn't destroy the Eagles last season. Their quarterback got injured and couldn't play effectively. A-Rod wasn't the reason that the Yankees lost these past post-seasons, but they go on and on about the Yankees having to trade him because he is a distraction, yada, yada ... Cashman better tell these people where to get off and refuse to trade A-Rod.

2006-10-17 09:07:05
21.   alterity
20 Dopey fans like, say, 13?

13, how the heck do you figure the Cubs will take Pavano? That's beyond fantasy. If Cashman insisted in packaging Pavano with ARod, that would kill the deal all by itself.

And just what young pitching studs does Chicago have? Prior? Wood? Please. We already have Pavano, why would you want any more injury plagued pitchers who cost too much for what they give you? Zambrano? Well, I don't see the Cubs trading their one solid starter, and personally, I don't want him. He walks too many people and against AL lineups I just don't see him being an ace. Finally, as far as I know, the Cubs have no elite pitching prospects, but if they did, I doubt they would use them to get ARod, when their own pitching sucks. The Cards this year have proven you don't need much to win the Central, and If D Lee comes back next year and Ramierez is still there and does well, the Cubs should be in decent shape, given that no one else in the division is in a position to get a whole lot better. Actually, that last part is not true as the Cubs ahve become better by subtraction: Baker and Neifi are gone. In other words, an ARod deal to the Cubs ain't gonna happen. Nor should it.

2006-10-17 09:08:49
22.   Sliced Bread
19 In addition to the Cubs players and cash you mentioned, if I'm Cashman I'm thinking a certain brick and ivy wall would look nice around my backyard, and I'm demanding that the Cubs include the cost of shipping and masonry in any potential deal for A-Rod.
2006-10-17 09:20:59
23.   Bama Yankee
19 & 20 Great posts Shaun P and Simone.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, hopefully all these trade rumors will show that the Yanks can't possibly get a fair deal for A-Rod and the best move is to make no trade at all (as they say, sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make). Then the "Trade-Rod" crowd could stop booing, learn to like the guy and get used to having a HOFer at 3B. BTW, does the "Trade-Rod" crown realize that they agree with Steve Phillips on this (that would be enough for me to change my mind right there)?

2006-10-17 10:00:11
24.   Bama Yankee
So it seems that some people are suggesting that the Yankees should trade A-Rod because he hurts team "chemistry" and that the booing from the fans might cause him to opt out of his contract and leave the Yanks with nothing in return (unlikey as pointed out by rbj in 9).

As for the "chemistry" argument, didn't Randy Johnson and Jorge Posada have chemistry issues that got resolved? Haven't Gary Sheffield and Bobby Abreu both fit in (at least from the reports I've read) when others thought they wouldn't? IMO, it's time for Jeter & Mo to publicy voice their support for A-Rod similar to the way they voiced their support for Torre (I don't think this is too much to ask if it will make the team better).

As for the booing, the so-called fans could and should just stop doing it. What's the point? If you don't like A-Rod and the Yankees have explored every possible option to trade him, then just learn to like him or find another team. This question of "earning pinstripes" is silly. He was a Yankee the first day he put on the uniform. If fans can't accept that and feel the need to boo a current member of the team that I have loved through good and bad for 30 years then I say that maybe those fans haven't "earned" their pinstripes as fans yet.

2006-10-17 10:01:56
25.   vockins
I'm as likely to play third for the Cubs as ARod is next season. The headline might as well read, "Piniella Wants Cubs Bullpen to Participate in Next Lunar Landing."
2006-10-17 10:07:54
26.   pistolpete
24 Everything you said is fair, but why is out of the realm of being a 'good fan' to talk about trading a guy during the offseason?

Obviously, I'd rather keep Alex and have him produce, but you have to admit we may be dealing from a bit of a surplus here - and if someone's willing to deal us some decent young pitching in return for someone who perceivably can't handle the stress of playing for the Yankees, who am I to argue?

2006-10-17 10:17:42
27.   Wait Til Next Year
21 My apologies. I promise not to be so dopey. Didn't realize you had initimate knowledge of the Cubs' farm system. I just haven't had the time you've obviously had to scout the Cubs. You should be on TV!
2006-10-17 10:21:16
28.   rbj
24
Well put, Bama. At this point, I put the "A-Rod is a clubhouse cancer" down as purely media (& internet) driven. So he's not warm and fuzzy. Neither was Munson. I don't hear any stories about Alex acting like a jerk to teammates, demanding three lockers (a la Bonds). The Yankees are a highly paid group of professionals and should act like it.

I'll only entertain A-Rod trades because
1) It's 121 days to pitchers and catchers
and
2) Everyone is tradeable -- for the right price, except Mo and Jeter.

2006-10-17 10:22:35
29.   Yankee Fan In Boston
26
also, rodriguez is the team's best trade bait for getting a top tier pitching prospect.

no one will trade such a prospect unless they're getting someone of rodriguez's ability in return.

i think we can all agree that the yankees need some pitching. badly.

all avenues should be considered. that doesn't mean that the trigger should be pulled on any offer, but more options are better than none.

it doesn't hurt to see what could be had. at the same time, he will likely play out his contract in the bronx.

2006-10-17 10:34:33
30.   Agneselin
From FireJoeMorgan.com (seriously, let's lay off ARod and try to enjoy the greatest player of his generation play in front of us every day for the next few years).

So, it seems like A-Rod's reputation as a postseason failure basically stems from 3 straight bad series. Here's his line from those series:

16 games, .183/.300/.333, 10 R, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 0.81 RC*/G

I decided to see who else from baseball history has had a similar or worse 3-series stretch. I found somebody from each position just for fun.

C Yogi Berra, 47WS-50WS ... 14 G, .140/.204/.260, 6 R, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 0.64 RC/G
1B Jeff Bagwell, 97NLDS-99NLDS ... 11 G, .128/.261/.128, 3 R, 0 HR, 4 RBI, 0.64 RC/G
2B Jackie Robinson, 47WS-52WS ... 19 G, .212/.342/.303, 9 R, 1 HR, 7 RBI, 0.79 RC/G
SS Derek Jeter**, 01ALDS-01WS ... 17 G, .226/.262/.290, 5 R, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 0.47 RC/G
3B Mike Schmidt, 77NLCS-80NLCS ... 13 G, .164/.233/.218, 4 R, 0 HR, 3 RBI, 0.54 RC/G
OF Babe Ruth, 18WS-22WS ... 14 G, .211/.333/.368, 4 R, 1 HR, 7 RBI, 0.71 RC/G
OF Mickey Mantle, 61WS-63WS ... 13 G, .130/.216/.217, 3 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 0.23 RC/G
OF Ted Williams*, 46WS ... 7 G, .200/.333/.200, 2 R, 0 HR, 1 RBI, 0.43 RC/G
DH David Ortiz, 02ALDS-03ALDS ... 14 G, .200/.231/.280, 0 R, 0 HR, 6 RBI, 0.43 RC/G

I think we can all agree that this team of chokers could never make it out of the first round.

* runs created (R+RBI-HR)
Jeter also had a pretty crappy 98ALDS-98WS ... 13 G, .235/.328/.294, 7 R, 0 HR, 3 RBI, 0.77 RC/G
* OK, Ted only had 1 postseason series, but I figured in the spirit of judging players off of small sample sizes, I'd include him

2006-10-17 10:35:31
31.   Knuckles
This is how I look at trading A-Rod:

You do whatever you can to make the team better, so each offseason you assess the trade value of pretty much everyone on the roster. You deal from strength and go after scarcity. There are 2 high profile hitters on the market (Sori and Lee) and both figure to top $15M/yr. A-Rod is a better hitter than either of them, and the Yanks are only paying him $16M/yr.

(Has it been confirmed one way or another that the Texas contribution is nullified should the Yanks trade him onwards?)

Offensively, the Yanks are stacked. The bats got shut down, to some degree in the postseason, but not having power arms hurt worse. 3B is a relatively abundant offensive position. Ergo, if you can trade A-Rod for some good young chuckers, and acquire a decent 3B either in that trade, or thru other means, you do it.

You can't do this with Giambi, b/c his age and salary vs his defensive position don't offer the same value. Matsui is a possibility, but he's kind of overpaid in terms of corner OF production, and then there's the whole unraveling of how much more he might be worth b/c of the Japanese exposure, esp if going after Matsusake.

There's really no one else you could think about trading (off the top of my head).

The Cubs are not a good fit, b/c they'd want to send Aramis back in the deal, which would eat up much of the value coming back in NY's direction, at the expense of pitching. That would be a trade simply to dump A-Rod, not get better. There'd need to be a 3rd team involved that has some pitching.

2006-10-17 10:50:23
32.   jonnystrongleg
How have the Red Sox done when they have shopped Manny Ramirez? Either via trade or waivers?

The market for guys of such extreme ability and salary is tough to make.

2006-10-17 11:11:04
33.   Shaun P
31 Ignoring the big leagues for a moment, here is BP's Kevin Goldstein's list of the top 10 best righty starters in the minors* and the top 10 best left starters in the minors*.

*as of mid-August

Righties:
1. Philip Hughes, Yankees
Age: 20.2 H/9: 5.74 BB/9: 2.17 K/9: 10.40

2. Homer Bailey, Reds
Age: 20.3 H/9: 6.23 BB/9: 2.99 K/9: 10.13

3. Nick Adenhart, Angels
Age: 20.0 H/9: 7.67 BB/9: 2.39 K/9: 8.24

4. Luke Hochevar, Royals
Age: 23.0 H/9: 3.86 BB/9: 1.93 K/9: 9.64

5. Tim Lincecum, Giants
Age: 22.2 H/9: 4.39 BB/9: 3.04 K/9: 16.54

6. Yovani Gallardo, Brewers
Age: 20.5 H/9: 6.04 BB/9: 2.96 K/9: 10.95

7. Mike Pelfrey, Mets
Age: 22.6 H/9: 7.57 BB/9: 3.08 K/9: 10.18

8. Adam Miller, Indians
Age: 21.7 H/9: 7.62 BB/9: 2.66 K/9: 9.10

9. Eric Hurley, Rangers
Age: 21.0 H/9: 7.39 BB/9: 2.81 K/9: 8.96

10. Jeff Niemann, Devil Rays
Age: 23.5 H/9: 6.50 BB/9: 3.13 K/9: 9.75

Lefties
1. Scott Elbert, Dodgers
Age: 21.0 H/9: 5.88 BB/9: 4.86 K/9: 11.03

2. Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers
Age: 18.4 H/9: 7.00 BB/9: 1.25 K/9: 13.00

3. Andrew Miller, Tigers
Age: 21.3 H/9: NA BB/9: NA K/9: NA

4. Donald Veal, Cubs
Age: 21.9 H/9: 5.47 BB/9: 4.78 K/9: 9.77

5. John Danks, Rangers
Age: 21.4 H/9: 9.10 BB/9: 3.03 K/9: 10.13

6. Franklin Morales, Rockies
Age: 21.3 H/9: 7.75 BB/9: 5.26 K/9: 9.97

7. Jacob McGee, Devil Rays
Age: 20.0 H/9: 7.14 BB/9: 4.36 K/9: 11.21

8. Troy Patton, Astros
Age: 21.0 H/9: 8.29 BB/9: 3.30 K/9: 8.88

9. Gio Gonzalez, Phillies
Age: 20.9 H/9: 7.77 BB/9: 4.57 K/9: 9.75

10. Chuck Lofgren, Indians
Age: 20.6 H/9: 7.10 BB/9: 3.45 K/9: 8.23

I don't see a single team above that would be willing to surrender one (or more) of these guys for A-Rod. They all need these guys to turn into effective big-league pitchers as desparately as the Yanks need Hughes to become an ace.

(OK, maybe the Tigers don't need Andrew Miller to become an ace, but you can bet they are drooling over the prospects of a Verlander-Miller-Bonderman big-three rotation. I would be, too.)

There is one team I can think of with an overabdunace of young power arms. Its also the one team in the majors that would never take on A-Rod's contract - the Marlins.

2006-10-17 11:12:00
34.   RIYank
Ben Kabak suggests

http://tinyurl.com/y889pd

that Tony Pena could manage the Nats (they're interested), Joe Girardi could take his place as bench coach and heir apparent to Torre's job.

Intriguing, and a more digestible speculation than any A-Rod rumor.

2006-10-17 11:13:40
35.   Shaun P
33 BTW - presuming Adenhart can make it in the bigs, and I bet he will, I can see why the Angels would consider trading Ervin Santana.

After Lackey, Jered Weaver, and Adenhart, Santana is at best the 4th-best Angels' starter.

I'd hope we all agree that A-Rod is worth more than a team's fourth-best pitcher, even if an All-Star 3B was part of the deal too.

2006-10-17 11:17:45
36.   weeping for brunnhilde
Chemistry is what it is. Those who believe in it seem to overvalue it and those who don't seem to discount it altogether.

But why is it preposterous that one's comfort level could effect one's performance?

I don't know if Arod is a cancer or not, but I do think that, given what human beings are, the notion that an individual's presence could adversely effect the performance of his teammates on the field is perfectly legitimate.

Optimal performances come when players have struck a balance between being loose and being focused, which is to say, when they're in the zone.

Morale, comraderie, chemistry; whatever you want to call it, is real, isn't it?

I know people think it's created by winning and of course that's true. But it's also true that high morale (good chemistry) can facilitate winning by turning out players who are relaxed instead of tense.

Again, I have no idea what Rodriguez' psychological impact is on the club, but I think it's wrong to discount this as a factor.

And the reason I think Arod draws so much attention isn't because of his salary, but his potential.

It's hard for me to watch a guy with so much potential who seems so regularly to underachieve. Compare him to Jorgie, a guy who (in my view) constantly overperforms, managing to get the very most out of his limited natural abilities.

I think these sorts of nuances are lost when we focus too much on production, per se.

Part of being a fan is about forming attachments with players; too often it seems to me that people form emotional attachments with their stats instead. This is fine, and its their prerogative, but it's a little frustrating that for some reason statistical production is the trump card people play when trying to argue for or against roster moves.

I don't hate Rodriguez, but I don't much like him either; I don't like watching his at-bats and still fervently believe that his chief assets are his strength and his mechanics, which obviously get him very far.

But he still doesn't inspire confidence in me as a hitter, as someone who's in tune with the situation he's in and is ready to make adjustments. In a way, it seems to me like he slides by on pure talent and that's what I find frustrating.

Anyway, if he stays, fine, but if he can be moved in a good trade, great.

What's a good trade? Right, that's the question.

2006-10-17 11:25:17
37.   Chyll Will
34 Yeah, but: Tony Pena is the first base coach, whereas Lee Mazilli is the bench coach (or did I miss something after the playoff loss?) What to do with him, especially if he doesn't want to slide into first? (hmm, that's a first...)
2006-10-17 11:26:21