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2006-08-23 13:56

by Cliff Corcoran

The average age of the four starting pitchers in the first two games of the current series in Seattle is 23 3/4. It's not often that you see a stat like that when the Yankees are involved. Don't worry. Randy Johnson will compensate tomorrow. Today, however, we Yankee fans can continue to freak out about Chien-Ming Wang's climbing innings total.

For those who have missed my previous kvetching, Wang set a career high with 157 innings pitched last year between the minors, majors and postseason. Entering tonight's game, he's thrown 172 1/3 innings and hasn't been sharp in any of his last three starts. His combined line in those outings is: 16 1/3 IP, 27 H, 12 R, 3 HR, 8 BB, 6 K, 2.14 WHIP, 6.61 ERA. Most alarming of all, despite opening the Boston series with a victory in his last start, he recorded just six of his 18 outs in that game via groundballs, the only time in his major league career (43 starts, two relief appearances) that he has recorded fewer groundouts than flyouts.

Opposing Wang will be deflowered phenom Felix Hernandez. The Yankees got a good look at Hernandez last year when he locked horns in a stirring pitchers duel with his predecessor Randy Johnson. Hernandez lost that battle 2-0 on solo home runs by Robinson Cano and Gary Sheffield, but made a strong showing in 12 starts as a 19-year-old rookie for the M's, posting a 1.00 WHIP and a 2.67 ERA while striking out 8.22 per nine innings. This year, King Felix has actually increased his strike-out rate, but has seen more dramatic increases in his walk, hit and homer rates, the end result of which is a decidedly average 4.50 ERA. Of course, 4.50 is plenty respectable from a 20-year-old with ace potential, but it's not going to make anyone forget Doc Gooden. Incidentally, Hernandez, who is at 148 innings pitched thus far this year, threw 149 1/3 innings in 2004 and increased his work load to 172 1/3 last year. That's a normal innings increase for a young pitcher and further evidence that even if Chien-Ming Wang hasn't hit his innings ceiling yet, he's dangerously close.

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2006-08-23 14:52:49

1. Schteeve

Cliff which do you think is more likely if Wang's inning load isn't carefully marshalled in Sept.

a) He experiences a few "dead arm starts" in which he gets the crap kicked out of him leading to Joe skipping his turn a time or two. Then comes back in late Sept and returns to his prime form.

b) He suffers an injury that puts him on teh shelf for the post season*.

(*god willing.)

2006-08-23 14:55:26

2. rabid stan

Maybe when Pavano comes back he could make some starts for Wang in September.

Stop laughing at me.

2006-08-23 14:59:28

3. Benjamin Kabak

1 God willing? You want Wang out for the postseason? I'm confused.

2 heheheheheheheheheh Pavano. That's a good one! (I know his rehab is going well. But let's not jinx it.)

2006-08-23 15:01:58

4. Idaho Yankee

Is Pavano eligible for the post season roster or does he have to be on the 25 man roster before Sept 1?

2006-08-23 15:06:15

5. rabid stan

3 I think, I hope, 1 means that Joe wouldn't pitch him with an arm injury, should he get one, in the post season, or that he wouldn't hide one.

2006-08-23 15:08:21

6. Schteeve

3 It should be inferred from contextual cues that I meant "God Willing We Make The Post Season, as I do not want to presume that glorious fate, and risk the ignoble comeuppance of the 'Baseball Gods.' Lest they scowl from their dug out thrones and cast down upon the fair boys of Pinstriped adornments a multitude of suckiness."

Or something like that, lol.

2006-08-23 15:15:20

7. alterity

4 he has to be on the 40 man by 9/1 i think

2006-08-23 15:15:39

8. Benjamin Kabak

6 Hmmm. Maybe it's more like Scott Proctor's right arm and Ron Villone's left arm willing.

2006-08-23 15:17:47

9. Schteeve

8 Not to mention Octavio Dotel's.

2006-08-23 15:21:59

10. kylepetterson

We need a good switch-pitcher. That way Torre can't overuse him.

2006-08-23 15:22:20

11. rabid stan

Mikey Moose has been put on the 15-day DL retroactive to Monday, according to Peter Abraham.

So long, 20 games. If it wasn't official already, it's been off the radar screen the last month.

2006-08-23 15:31:36

12. JeffWeaver4God

i only see reports that mussina is missing his next start. i havent seen the dl thing anywhere.

2006-08-23 15:36:55

13. bobtaco

7 I think because Pavano is already on the DL, he is eligible for post season play when he comes off of it.

Isn't that how the Angels got K-Rod into the playoffs in 2002?

2006-08-23 15:37:05

14. rabid stan

12 It's on LoHud.

2006-08-23 15:51:01

15. Benjamin Kabak

Moose on the DL is confirmed by Lo Hud and the Newsday blog. I wrote about it too.

http://tinyurl.com/pun8t

It's a good move for the Yanks but there goes his shot at 20 wins (which was nearly gone anyway).

2006-08-23 16:13:19

16. Aviezer

This is actually good for us b/c we hopefully get a fresh and rested Moose for the playoffs. Another to rest is Wang.

2006-08-23 16:46:40

17. Yankee Fan in Chicago

Yeah, I suspect that if we didn't have the 6 1/2 game lead, and if the kid hadn't pitched ok last night, then perhaps Moose wouldn't have gone on the DL.

I wonder if a similar subpar outing from Tiger tonight will result in him missing few turns in the rotation with the cushion we now have.

(Me, I'd give both Hughes and Clippard a start in place of Wang over the next month or so.)

2006-08-23 16:47:06

18. singledd

11 It's on the ESPN site and I heard in on TV news. Theoretically, it's 'precautionary' and Torre said if we didn't have a big lead, Moose would still be pitching.

2006-08-23 16:50:05

19. yankeemonkey

Both Hughes and Clippard will probably get called up once the rosters expand but I don't see either one starting a game. Pitching a few innings in relief is likely not out of the question...

2006-08-23 16:52:04

20. randym77

I guess putting Moose on the DL was the only way they could call up Bruney, since he was just sent down. The Yanks are running out of pitchers to call up.

Columbus Clippers, ring your bell... Bubba just hit a two-run homer. Clippers are likely out of it this year, but they're doing a good job of spoiling their opponents' hopes.

2006-08-23 17:07:05

21. JL25and3

4, 7 I'm pretty sure the rule is that a player has to be on the 25-man roster or on the major league DL on August 31. So Pavano would be eligible, as would Sheffield and Matsui (and Mussina, for that matter).

2006-08-23 17:23:15

22. Sliced Bread

Moose has been whistling past the doctor's office since mid-June, and it's remarkable he's made it this far without requiring 15 days of Pavano time.

In light of him going to the DL today, Joe's decision to rest the bullpen last night makes a little more sense.

Dotel, Proctor, Farnswacker, and Rivera will be needed even more with Moose down, and Wang suddenly looking like the cat that's climbed too far up the tree. "Oh, sh*t!"

However, you could still argue that Joe should have pushed the pen for the win last night because the 6.5 game advantage doesn't look as big without Mussina around now does it?

It's a lot more fun talking about our hitters.

2006-08-23 17:23:31

23. randym77

Nick Green is going to be exhausted:

Johnny Damon CF
Derek Jeter SS
Bobby Abreu RF
Jason Giambi DH
Jorge Posada C
Robinson Cano 2B
Melky Cabrera LF
Craig Wilson 1B
Nick Green 3B

2006-08-23 17:26:34

24. joejoejoe

10 kylepetterson - "We need a good switch-pitcher."

This is a great idea. You could take an ambidextrous minor league right-hander and teach him to be a submarining LOOGY. It's a two-fer.

2006-08-23 17:26:58

25. Sliced Bread

23 Mouse honey? Er, house money lineup?

Am I reading this correctly?

2006-08-23 17:30:44

26. randym77

A-Rod's turn to rest?

Giambi was pulled last night for a tight hamstring or something like that, so I'm not surprised to see him DHing tonight.

2006-08-23 17:38:07

27. rbj

Bruney's the call up:
http://tinyurl.com/jjsnq

I suppose it is long past asking why not Bean.

2006-08-23 17:41:09

28. Sliced Bread

A-Rod DHed on Sunday, hope it's nothing more than an extra day of rest here.

2006-08-23 17:43:57

29. randym77

27 Colter Bean is not on the 40 man roster.

2006-08-23 17:56:13

30. randym77

Here's Seattle:

Ichiro Suzuki CF
Chris Snelling RF
Adrian Beltre 3B
Richie Sexson 1B
Raul Ibanez LF
Jose Lopez 2B
Ben Broussard DH
Yuniesky Betancourt SS
Rene Rivera C

No Johjima. Guess they didn't want to mess with success?

2006-08-23 17:58:36

31. yankeemonkey

23 28 Peter Abrahama at LoHud reports Arod has a throat infection and was sent back to the team hotel. Nothing worse, thankfully.

2006-08-23 17:59:11

32. yankeemonkey

*Abraham. Preview really IS your friend....

2006-08-23 18:18:19

33. randym77

Wow. So A-Rod's not even going to be available to pinch-hit.

Get well soon, Miggy...

2006-08-23 18:21:18

34. pistolpete

32 Except during gametime, of course. No need to preview, "DAMN IT, A-ROD!!!"

2006-08-23 18:48:18

35. Sliced Bread

Throat infection, my foot. Sounds like a certain MVP third baseman had a poker game to attend tonight.

2006-08-23 18:52:46

36. randym77

Shawn Chacon is up to his old tricks. He started again for Pittsburgh yesterday, after a long layoff. Typical Chacon outing: 5IP, 3H, 1R...and 5 BB. The Pittsburgh press is calling him "the magician."

2006-08-23 18:53:30

37. yankz

35 Just Alex being Alex.

2006-08-23 18:58:23

38. monkeypants

With Moose on the DL, we get to see Karstens pitch again. If he's any good his second time out, they should consider skipping at least one of Wang's starts, provided the Yanks maintain a safe lead. September call-ups can't come too soon for this staff.

On a related note, does anyone else feel that the 40-man roster in September (when penant races heat up) is, well, somehow kinda wrong?

2006-08-23 18:58:47

39. Max

Let's hope Wang can rebound and give us a strong 7 inning outing tonight.

I'm really thirsting for a strong, take no prisoners, pitching performance with a minimum of fuss...Randy and Cory did OK over the weekend (Cory especially), but overall, I haven't been especially impressed with what the starters have delivered in a while.

2006-08-23 19:07:53

40. Shaun P

38 Not really, as I don't see it being abused very often - who's the last team to actually call up the 15 other guys on the 40-man? A team probably wouldn't want to call up 15 guys, because then they have to be paid (albeit pro rata) a major league salary, and get meal money and the daily per diem, need uniforms, hotel rooms, etc etc etc.

I'm hopeful that Rasner will be back by September 1. I also wish White would get called up, but I don't think he's on the 40 man. I suppose they could drop DeSalvo or Jones from the 40-man.

BTW, there's no way we see either Hughes or Clippard in September, as neither of them are on the 40-man roster.

2006-08-23 19:13:36

41. Yu-Hsing Chen

decent start. lets get some early runs Po

2006-08-23 19:17:47

42. Ron Burgundy

Jeter's not winning the batting title? <:(
Damn.

Robbie, OBP please.

2006-08-23 19:20:05

43. BklynBmr

Rockin' Robbie! Way to get it started...

2006-08-23 19:21:19

44. Paul in Boston

I don't like the Seattle broadcasters, but the FOX TV graphics (strike zone, slow motion) are excellent.

2006-08-23 19:21:43

45. Ron Burgundy

Robbie has been getting better. See what a little discipline does Robbie? Atta boy.

2006-08-23 19:22:17

46. yankz

42 Says who? Lots of baseball left.

2006-08-23 19:22:28

47. randym77

I can't believe he swung at that pitch, but I like the results.

2006-08-23 19:24:37

48. DrManhattan

32 pitches for Felix in the first inning. More, please.

2006-08-23 19:24:47

49. yankz

Actually, at this rate, Cano might beat out Jeter for highest BA on the team.

2006-08-23 19:25:35

50. Ron Burgundy

46 Mauer at .359, Jeter at .335. Jeter needs to go on fire and Mauer needs to be ice cold for it to happen, August is almost over. And Jeter's bat has been mostly cold this month. I want him to win that batting title. That combined with him playing SS, driving in and scoring 100 runs, and (hopefully) the Yankees winning the division by a lot might give him a chance at the MVP. But Ortiz will still win it. When it counts, ESPN will fire up the hype machine, and the voters probably still feel they owe Shrek one.

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2006-08-23 19:26:03

51. BklynBmr

44 If the Seattle guys are complete morons, I wouldn't know — they're putting me to sleep...

Agreed, the pitch graphics are good — beats the hell out of ESPN's clumsy blue streak effect...

2006-08-23 19:27:22

52. Sliced Bread

47 Slightly funky but very effective at-bat by Cano there.

1-1 count, he swings at what looked to me like ball two high, next pitch the ump squeezes Felix for ball two (I agree with Hargrove that it was a strike), next pitch Robbie chops a sinker that looked low and outside up the middle Ichiro style for the ribbies. We'll take it, Robbie, but I hope Donnie watches that at-bat with him.

2006-08-23 19:28:06

53. Yankee Fan in Chicago

Can't believe Tito had Lester pitch to Vlad with 1st open. Vlad impales lefties.

2006-08-23 19:28:45

54. Ron Burgundy

Chris Snelling was awful in the minors, so I don't see why our pitchers are fooling around with him. Just get this douche out. We can't keep letting guys like Snelling, Beltre, and Sexson keep beating us.

Snelling in the minors: .216 AVG / .326 OBP / .340 SLG / .666 OPS.

2006-08-23 19:29:20

55. Ron Burgundy

53 Luckily for the Sawx, Mike Scoscia plays smallball.

2006-08-23 19:29:54

56. monkeypants

40 Have rosters always expanded on September 1? The season ends later these days, which means that expanded rosters could affect the outcome of more games. But you're right, few teams really seem to exploit the rule.

44 51 Like I said last night, I generally like the Seattle announcers. I guess I'm alone on that one.

2006-08-23 19:31:01

57. yankz

50 I know, I have a lot of blind (and probably stupid) optimism and confidence when it comes to the captain.

2006-08-23 19:31:07

58. randym77

White didn't have a great night in Columbus, but Columbus pulled out the victory in the 10th inning. Veras got the win.

Bubba Crosby was the winning run, scoring from 2B on a Sardinha single with brute speed.

I was glad Bronson Sardinha had the game-winning RBI. His entire family was there at the Coop...come all the way from Hawai`i. Dane Sardinha is the catcher for Louisville, so it was brother vs. brother. Neither Sardinha did squat tonight...until Bronson got the game-winning hit.

2006-08-23 19:32:05

59. yankz

Mmm, groundballs and a K. Keep it up.

2006-08-23 19:33:38

60. JeremyM

Boston is thumping Anaheim 4-1. I kind of figured they would lose again with Escobar throwing.

2006-08-23 19:34:54

61. randym77

Nick the Stick! :-D

2006-08-23 19:37:52

62. yankz

Who needs Arod!

2006-08-23 19:38:25

63. Benjamin Kabak

I'm confused; why is Ichiro in center and not right?

2006-08-23 19:39:04

64. Alvaro Espinoza

57 As much as we would all like to see it, Jeter won't catch Mauer. The bigger threat is from Tejada and Manny passing him for #2. July ending was the worst thing that could have happened to him.

2006-08-23 19:39:14

65. Sliced Bread

Anybody TiVo the Cano at-bat? If not for the ump's ball 2 call, which looked wrong to me, Robbie basically "struck out" before he hit the next pitch, which looked way out of the zone, for 2 RBI's. Did we get incredibly lucky there?

2006-08-23 19:40:27

66. yankz

64 I'm still looking at you, Melvin Mora.

2006-08-23 19:41:20

67. BklynBmr

2 innings, 45 pitches for Hernandez. Nice pace if we can keep it...

2006-08-23 19:41:56

68. Maniakes

65, I'm watching FSN in Seattle. The announcers didn't have a problem with the call, and their equivilent of K-Zone showed the pitch firmly out of the zone.

2006-08-23 19:42:48

69. randym77

63 Lineup shakeup. They've been doing that for awhile.

2006-08-23 19:43:27

70. Benjamin Kabak

69 Gotcha. Thanks. My own personal East Coast bias prevented me from knowing that.

2006-08-23 19:43:59

71. JeremyM

67 If Abreu would've gotten to bat that inning he would be up to 75:)

2006-08-23 19:44:05

72. BklynBmr

68 , 65 Yeah, the pitch was definitely not a strike...

2006-08-23 19:44:18

73. Alvaro Espinoza

Apparently, Ibanez didn't get the memo: ground balls ONLY please. Thank you for your cooperation.

2006-08-23 19:45:41

74. rsmith51

56 I remember thinking that Seattle had the worst announcers that I have ever heard a couple of years ago. They don't seem as bad as I remember though.

2006-08-23 19:45:42

75. monkeypants

63 They've been playing him in CF lately, I think because their former starting CF was crappy and they wanted to give Snelling, et al. more PT.

I never understood why Ichiro wasn't move to CF sooner--he's so fast, great arm, and supposedly great defensive player. His offensive numbers are mediocre for a corner, but quite good for a CF.

2006-08-23 19:46:08

76. singledd

While they may have eliminated some of the greenies from the clubhouses, they obviously haven't gotten the Qualuuds out of the Seattle broadcast booth yet.

2006-08-23 19:47:59

77. BklynBmr

71 Now Bobby and Jason could get it to at least 60 between them ;-)

2006-08-23 19:48:14

78. Yankee Fan in Chicago

Sox beat Los Tigres but lose Thome with a bad hammy.

Ladies and gentleman, your AL wild card team, the Minnesota Twins.

2006-08-23 19:50:17

79. singledd

78 If so, bad news for us.

2006-08-23 19:51:08

80. BklynBmr

76 Heh-heh. You'd think there would at least be some strong coffee flowing in that booth, huh? What I do kinda appreciate about them, though, they definitely do not distract you from the