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With A Lidle Luck
2006-08-16 09:45
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

If you ask me, the Yankees still haven't seen the real Cory Lidle. In his first start he pitched a mid-week day game during a heat wave with field temperatures reaching 120 degrees. Lidle held the Blue Jays to just one run in that start, but was understandably pulled after the sixth inning despite having thrown just 80 pitches. In his last start, he pitched with a stomach virus and struggled through four innings, leaving after throwing 79 pitches and allowing three Angel runs. Still, despite those complications, Lidle sports a tidy 3.60 ERA as a Yankee having allowed just eight hits and struck out eight in his ten innings for the team.

Tonight, he should be healthy and the temperature should be in the low 80s and falling. If there is any complication it shouldn't affect Lidle directly, but rather the offense. Twenty-two-year-old Canadian lefty Adam Loewen, who one-hit the Yanks over 6 1/3 innings less than two weeks ago, takes the hill for the Orioles tonight. Of course, the likelihood of Loewen repeating his one-hit performance is very small, especially in light of the pounding he received in Fenway in his last turn (2 1/2 IP, 6 R, 76 pitches). Here's hoping things swing the Yankees way.

Incidentally, it appears that Octavio Dotel has been activated (with, I assume, Jose Veras being sent down to make room). Here's Dotel's aggregate line from his circuitous rehab appearances, which were spread across five leagues, from the New York-Penn League all the way up to the International League:

12 G, 12 1/3 IP, 10 H, 2 R, 1 HR, 1 BB, 19 K

The big four in the Yankee bullpen have been great of late, but with 14 games in the next 13 days, it sure won't hurt to add those kind of numbers to their mix.

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2006-08-16 13:45:40
1.   Schteeve
Man if Dotel is Dotel-ish right out of the gate, we are going to have one scary ass bullpen.
2006-08-16 13:58:26
2.   Fred Vincy
If Dotel's there, count on seeing him tonight (probably) or tomorrow -- Joe will want to know what he's got going in to Fenway.
2006-08-16 14:02:27
3.   randym77
Yup, it was Veras sent down.

And it's Bernie and Fasano in today...

Damon DH
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A-Rod 3B
Cano 2B
Bernie CF
Wilson 1B
Fasano C
Cabrera RF

2006-08-16 14:08:40
4.   Zack
Oh God no, Bernie in CF again! Why Joe?? WHY??? THis has got to stop. If Damon needs the day off, put Cabrera out there, who cares about his past. Or DFA Phillips and call up Bubba again for the love of God!
2006-08-16 14:09:50
5.   Ron Burgundy
Joe, WHY?! With Wells-Verlander in Baaahston, and us playing the Oreos, we could have a 4-Game lead after tonight, and Joe forfeits the game right away. I HATE him.
2006-08-16 14:11:06
6.   randym77
Still had yesterday's game on the DVR. For those who missed it...Giambi's porn stache:

http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/8301/stachent7.jpg

2006-08-16 14:12:00
7.   Eric
Sal Fasano looks like A) Frank Zappa or B) Ron Jeremy. Cast your votes now!
2006-08-16 14:13:48
8.   Ron Burgundy
Dude, Giambi looks like Mattingly.
2006-08-16 14:14:03
9.   randym77
Well, I guess we know why Aaron Guiel was playing 1B last night in Columbus. Carlos Pena was released yesterday. He signed with the Red Sox today.
2006-08-16 14:15:20
10.   LI yankee
6 Too bad we won't see that stache tonight, because apparently it's "house money" night.
2006-08-16 14:15:23
11.   monkeypants
Wilson, not Giambi. Bernie in CF and Fasano. This goes beyond house money.
2006-08-16 14:19:46
12.   blue
randym77-

where do you get all this up-to-the minute news?

2006-08-16 14:20:27
13.   Coco Loco
12 Yeah, I cannot find the Dotel story anywhere. Is it on TV, radio?
2006-08-16 14:23:55
14.   randym77
12 I spend way too much time surfing the Internet. :)

13 Cliff reported the Dotel story. Here on this very page. (Look up.)

Here's a link, if you need one:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2551619

2006-08-16 14:27:24
15.   unpopster
hey everyone, relax!!

The Yanks are in the midst of a brutal consecutive games stretch and Torre needs to rest some of his guys before the 5-game series in Beantown.

here are his options:

A) rest some guys tonight and tomorrow night against a team that the Yanks have a good chance of beating even without all the regulars in the lineup,

or

b) play all the regulars tonight, tomorrow night, and then 5 straight, tense, games in the Fenway Zoo and thus risk injury/exhaustions right smack in the middle of a crucial series?

And let's also not forget that after Boston the Yanks embark on a West Coast trip.

I ask you all, if not now, then WHEN will Torre have a chance to rest his regulars in the next week plus? huh?

2006-08-16 14:28:27
16.   Bama Yankee
14 I thought updating us with info on this blog was your full time job... ;-)
2006-08-16 14:28:52
17.   Coco Loco
14 The Dotel story was posted on ESPN 30 min ago. Cliff's post was up longer than that.
2006-08-16 14:29:42
18.   Idaho Yankee
Does Pavano get called up before Sept 1 if he repeats his performance from last night?

Finally Dotel is here. Things are looking extremely positive.

2006-08-16 14:32:47
19.   randym77
17 It was announced on WFAN and I assume other sources as well.

Usually, breaking news like that appears on blogs and message boards before it appears at MSM sites like ESPN.

2006-08-16 14:35:28
20.   monkeypants
15 No complaints about resting regulars, just questions about the specific combinations.Bernie should just not be in CF. If he plays, then it is DH, with Damon in CF.

If you rest Damon, then Cabrera, or maybe Abreu, or Bubba or Thompson (I know they are not on the roster) should play CF.

Unless Torre is resting three starters tomorrow, today's moves could have been spread over two or three days.

2006-08-16 14:35:59
21.   blue
what about the "Pena signs with the Sox" news - also from a message board?
2006-08-16 14:37:55
22.   searay
Unpopster, stop making perfect sense. That will not be tolerated. "Doom, Gloom! Bernie will lose aother game tonight in center field. How many will that make this year? A dozen?"
2006-08-16 14:39:14
23.   monkeypants
15 As a follow up, if your plan is really to rest all of the starters before the tense Boston series, what about A-Rod and Jeter? Green could have started tonight and tomorrow, with each one of them taking a turn on teh bench or DH.

The real issue, short and long term, is Torre's obsession with Bernie in CF.

2006-08-16 14:46:28
24.   Marcus
As JohnnyC would say, it's "House Money" day for Torre. Who needs a sweep? Bernie needs to stay fresh.
2006-08-16 14:58:41
25.   mehmattski
15 Amen. While starting a subpar defender is not ideal, it is the practical way of life in a long season such as baseball. And Bernie is much better against lefties. If playing Bernie is the idea, DH might be better, but then Giambi has to play first, which is probably worse for the team. If instead Bernie plays a corner outfield spot, it means that Cabrera (6 ML games in CF) or Abreu (2 ML Games in CF) have to move. And Bernie has all of 5 games, EVER, in left fields. So lets move everyone around since people on the Bronx Banter think they know best.

Oh, and playing the backup catcher is not a travesty either. By no means is this tantamount to forfeit, as seen in 5. I seriously wonder what many of the people here talked about in August 1998, with nothing to "worry" about. This is much worse than the people who wrote off the game last night- writing off a game before it starts. Let's watch the game and root for the Yankees, shall we?

2006-08-16 14:59:30
26.   Bama Yankee
Our "A" lineup (sans Cano) managed just one hit against Loewen last time we faced him. Maybe Joe is just trying to see if this lineup can do a little better (couldn't do much worse) and rest some guys before the big weekend series. I don't have a problem with it.

You heard it hear first, Bernie's gonna come out mashing tonight. We all know that he is a faithful reader of the Banter and he is ready to prove some people wrong...

2006-08-16 15:06:10
27.   monkeypants
25 If Bernie DHs, why does Giambi have yo play 1B? You can still play Wilson at 1B (as he is tonight anyway). The question really boils down to who plays CF when Damon is rested?

Torre and mehmattski seem to feel that Bernie's experience is a better option than Melky's youth and speed. Perhaps. Of course, another solution would be to replace increasingly marginalized Phillips with already marginalized Bubba.

Not that it matters now, but what is the solution next year? Resign Bernie? More Bubba? Melky finaly trusted to play back-up CF? Typical Yankee solution--sign washed-up back-up CF like Terence Long? You make the call!

2006-08-16 15:09:44
28.   Bama Yankee
25 In 1998 the talk was probably about Chad Curtis and his (.243/.355/.360) in left field...
2006-08-16 15:10:11
29.   Ron Burgundy
27 Sadly, they'll do whatever option makes least sense and is the dumbest.
2006-08-16 15:19:11
30.   randym77
27 Bernie will be back. Hopefully as a pinch-hitter, not as a backup OFer.

Torre said something about using Melky as a rotating OFer next year. Rest one of the vets every night, so Melky gets to play every night.

Sounds great in theory. In practice, I'm afraid it'll end up like Torre's various "platoon" schemes for RF this season. When push comes to shove, he'll be unable to sit the veteran, so Melky will end up glued to the bench.

2006-08-16 15:31:00
31.   Jim Dean
First time poster...thanks to PeteAbe for linking you.

25 Giambi at 1B is consistently better for the team, even with his below average defense:

1995-2005 (AB AVG OBP SLG OPS):
DH: 1103 .252 .393 .475 .868
1B: 3377 .312 .432 .576 1.008

2006:
DH: 191 .230 .371 .586 .957
1B: 160 .288 .455 .600 1.055

Bernie in CF is problematic but unfortunately, he's the 4th OF now. If you want to rest any of the other guys he has to play the field - however ugly it looks. A night against a lefty isn't a bad way to do it.

But really, if you all want to bitch about anything, direct it toward the presence of Fasano on the team. Jorge is spiraling toward his annual blackhole of productivity, and the best the Yanks can do for four years at backup C is John Flaherty, Kelly Stinnett, and Sal Fasano? Glad we can't expect much from Jorge for the next two months...

2006-08-16 15:37:50
32.   Ron Burgundy
I won't be here tonight. I just hope them Yanks kill Loewen for what he did last time and how he blew VS. the Sawx, that asshole.

A-Rod hits 4 HRs tonight, you heard it here first. Adios amigos.

(And oh yeah, we'll win big-time.)

2006-08-16 15:41:18
33.   Bama Yankee
31 Good post. BTW, you make a pretty good sausage...
2006-08-16 15:42:59
34.   monkeypants
31 Hey, didn't you make this same point on LoHud Yankees the other night. I more or less agree with you, but a good hitting back-up C is tough to find. There are a couple of strategies, though. First, you find a Matt Nokes/Jim Leyritz type who is not much of a catcher, but can hit a little. Wilson might be employed like this.

Second,you actually try out a young C instead of some retread. The Yankees are, of course, usually less willing to take this approach.

2006-08-16 15:44:01
35.   rilkefan
31 - still don't think those numbers show the effect you claim, or at the very least anything like the size of effect you claim.

And even if they did, Giambi's future is as a DH - might as well get him to learn how (from your perspective).

2006-08-16 15:44:44
36.   Jim Dean
33 Yeah, the ladies really like it.

(The standard response - sort have honed it thorugh the years - Jim it was as James and Jimmy were sorta taken)

2006-08-16 15:46:19
37.   mehmattski
27 My main point is that its the personel decisions that have a bigger impact on what is going on long term. Individual games are not won and lost by making decisions within this roster. Maybe if Posada were forced to play CF, there might be a problem, but remember that this team hung tight to first place with Bernie the Bad Defender in right field daily.

31 Welcome to the site, and thanks for your comment. I'm not sure I entirely buy the pre-2005 numbers for Giambi at DH. He was the full time 1B with the Athletics, and its likely that he only would be the DH when he was tired or slightly injured, which could explain the depressed numbers. Though his numbers the past two seasons indicate a bigger impact on offense while playing 1B. However, the gap is not very big in this sample, and his negative defense probably nullifies this benefit.

2006-08-16 15:48:09
38.   mehmattski
34 I feel obligated to make my weekly point that the Yankees had, and traded, the perfect young backup catcher, for one fourth of Randy Johnson.
2006-08-16 15:50:13
39.   Bama Yankee
36 LOL, I like that response. I guess I set that one up on a tee for you didn't I?

I guess you get the "Rebel Without a Cause" stuff all the time too...

2006-08-16 15:55:24
40.   Bama Yankee
38 I thought the same thing mehmattski, as you like to say, "Maybe we can finally call Navarro up from the Clippers and get him in the game... oh, wait. "
2006-08-16 15:57:49
41.   Jim Dean
34 Yeah, I don't know why but I got fired up about it when i did the research. I agree with the solutions and even Piazza would have worked. I'm not sure why that huge dropoff hasn't been addressed by Yankee brass. John Kelly Fasano is just ignoring or ignorant of the problem. Maybe after this year since it started in August and more steeply at that?

35 I don't know - that's a pretty big difference. But my point was just that he's definitely not worse for the team at 1B, and probably a little better. I mean, let's do the math (based on 500 AB's in the season and my very rudimentary skills).

.58 in AVG = about two extra hits a week?
.24 in isolated OBP = about one extra walk a week?
Call the SLG a wash, but only this year?

Would he really give up 3-4 bases (errors) a week on defense? That seems more like Ortiz. If not, then he's more valuable in the field.

Unless, of course he 'learns' to DH. But even with more AB's there this year, it doesn't look good. ANd I thought he was looking better at 1B with his idol, Donnie B, showing him the way.

2006-08-16 15:58:40
42.   RZG
38 You'd rather have a backup catcher than Johnson?
2006-08-16 16:03:59
43.   Jim Dean
42 I know I would, and Javier Vazquez instead, especially if that backup was starting 60 games a year so Jorge is Jorge Posada in the playoffs and not Jorge Molina, as he's been his whole career (3 Posada-like series of his 21).
2006-08-16 16:05:06
44.   randym77
I think Giambi would give up a lot with his glove. Remember the Marlins game? His errors at 1B ended up giving away 3 runs in just one game. That game resulted in his becoming a more or less permanent DH this season, and rightly so, IMO.

His defense is dropping off a cliff. Last year, he had twice as many errors as he'd previously averaged. This year, he was on pace to double his errors yet again.

Worse, he tends to hurt himself trying to play defense, diving for balls and stretching for bad throws.

He's 35. It's only going to get worse from here on. Like Rilkefan said, he has to get used to DHing.

2006-08-16 16:06:11
45.   mehmattski
42 Its not just a backup catcher... I though both trades that involved Javy Vasquez were huge mistakes at the time, and even more so now. Imagine where the 2005 and 2006 Yankees would be with Nick Johnson at first, Juan Rivera as the fourth OF, Dioneer Navarro being groomed by Posada much as Jorge was by Girardi, and Brad Halsey maturing in the back of the rotation. On top of that, the money used to extend Randy's contract (and to sign Damon) could have been used to sign Carlos Beltran. There would be some money left over to sign a middle of the rotation starter last offseason... and the payroll remains well below $200 million.

That's what I'd rather have.

2006-08-16 16:06:56
46.   rilkefan
41 - you're also ignoring the opportunity cost at DH.

Even claiming Giambi's starts at 1b don't correlate health this year, or to pitcher quality, or whatever, the sample size is still pretty small - the error on his BA differential for example is be about 0.04 says the back of an envelope.

2006-08-16 16:10:38
47.   augustus
8 - Crazy, I thought the same thing as soon as I saw that pic... "he's going for the Mattingly look".
2006-08-16 16:11:04
48.   Jim Dean
44 Hey, I'm not saying he plays every game in the field. But he's not an absolute butcher either:

Phillips: 495 Innings, 6 errors
Giambi: 373 Innings, 7 errors

And what if he never 'gets used' to the DH role. He's not this year. You want to give up about 50 extra bases for him on the year, because he might give back 20, or even 30, on defense?

2006-08-16 16:12:33
49.   Jim Dean
46 I don't follow you.
2006-08-16 16:13:21
50.   Eirias
Nice to see Lidle has solved his long-ball issues.
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2006-08-16 16:14:34
51.   Simone
Ugh.
2006-08-16 16:14:39
52.   BklynBmr
Lidle's going for the cycle in one inning...
2006-08-16 16:15:26
53.   randym77
48 I don't want Andy Phillips at 1B, either. (Sorry, Andy, I love ya, but Craig Wilson has you beat on offense and defense.)
2006-08-16 16:16:42
54.   rilkefan
49 - sorry, gotta run, more next time.
2006-08-16 16:18:37
55.   claybeez
I'll say it again since we're talking about it again...Why not deal for Chris snyder or J.D. Closser? Both the Rockies and D-Backs are set at C with top prospect catchers soon to appear. Why not make a deal for a young catcher caught in a logjam? Either one comes here and Pena grooms him to be the placeholder for a hopefully realized Jesus Montero.
2006-08-16 16:18:43
56.   Simone
Stupid Pudge is caught off the bag.
2006-08-16 16:20:13
57.   mehmattski
49 Assuming that 46 is talking about the 2006 stats, I believe rilkefan is saying that 200 AB may seem like a large sample, but there is still a margin of error for a sample of that size. Statistics of random events shows that a sample of 200 events can have a margin of error of 0.04, meaning that another random sample of 200 at bats could have a BA 40 points higher (or lower). Hope that helps.
2006-08-16 16:21:43
58.   randym77
Lidle vs. the Boids:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=3645

I know it's a small sample size, but after that first inning, I'm not exactly reassured...

2006-08-16 16:27:51
59.   mehmattski
My God, TWO successful 5-3 putout! With all the negative talk, I didn't think such a feat were possible for the Yanks' third baseman!
2006-08-16 16:29:49
60.   mehmattski
Now that was a Manny type play... don't hold the ball up, Bobby, just throw it in.
2006-08-16 16:31:21
61.   Alvaro Espinoza
On the ugly scale that play was a 9.5. How did this guy win a gold glove?
2006-08-16 16:32:18
62.   mehmattski
That was a generous official scoring... should have been double and an error.... Where are those people who were clamoring for Melky to play CF?
2006-08-16 16:34:15
63.   Alvaro Espinoza
62 Well, you don't have to worry about those pesky balls hugging the wall in CF ;)
2006-08-16 16:35:33
64.   monkeypants
62 Yeah, a bounding ball down the line bears a lot on fielding in CF. I'm sure Bernie would have scooped that up and gunned the runner down trying to advance!

Bad play by Melky in LF or not, Bernie should not be in CF.

2006-08-16 16:36:00
65.   rbj
So, was there any remembrance of 58 years ago before tonight's game?
2006-08-16 16:37:26
66.   randym77
That was pretty bad. I think I'd rather have Melky in CF than Bernie, anyway.

Bubba's heating up down in Columbus. His first game, he struck out three times. Then he started drawing walks. Then he started hitting singles. Now he's getting extra-base hits.

Started out tonight with a triple, and came home on an Aaron Guiel groundout. Would have been an RBI triple, except KT got picked off 1B while Bubba was batting. Thompson is really, really fast, but somehow not a great baserunner.

2006-08-16 16:37:46
67.   seamus
Cy Loewen at it again!
2006-08-16 16:38:36
68.   Schteeve
Where's my boy Gee-mustache-ee tonight?
2006-08-16 16:39:00
69.   mehmattski
64 Yeah, I'm not usually this reactionary to bad things happening... but this is a recurring problem for Cabrera, the ball down the line. He's been playing LF in YS a lot so it can't be inexperience by now. I wonder if anyone's working with him on that play, because if he's going to be a revolving fielder next year, he has to deal with that ball in 2/3 of his games.
2006-08-16 16:39:18
70.   Schteeve
66 Reminds me of a young kid named Bernie Somethingorother.
2006-08-16 16:40:13
71.   randym77
68 He and Posada are resting tonight. Joe wanted to get Bernie in the game, which meant Giambi had to sit.

Bernie has reportedly been complaining about his playing time. Or lack thereof.

2006-08-16 16:41:31
72.   Alvaro Espinoza
Sean Casey just went into the Boston dugout to make nice catch.
2006-08-16 16:42:53
73.   BklynBmr
65 Have not seen or heard a word about it in the press all day. RIP, Babe...
2006-08-16 16:43:03
74.   Jim Dean
57 Thanks, and fair. But that would mean then that both the AVG and the OBP are statistically different, no? And in light of 1995-2005, I'm more inclined to believe the effect is real, and not an artifact of sample sizes.
2006-08-16 16:43:06
75.   monkeypants
{71] I don't fault a player for being competitive and wanting to play, but wasn't Bernie supposed to be the 4th OF/5th OF/PH/Ruben Sierra at the start of the year? So now, he's basically playing the position envisioned, and he's complaining about the role?
2006-08-16 16:43:51
76.   Schteeve
71 If I were Joe I'd tell Bernie,

"Yeah, I think a lot of people are complaining about your playing ti....OHHHH you meant when you're NOT playing."

2006-08-16 16:43:58
77.   BklynBmr
71 I think the whole team got the 'take tonight off' memo...
2006-08-16 16:45:14
78.   monkeypants
73 Well, Bonds 'destroyed' the babe and 'wiped off the books,' and according to the press he "broke the Babe's record' (for second place, I guess). So who is the Ruth of which you speak?
2006-08-16 16:45:15
79.   mehmattski
71 In the baseball video game I play, players complain a lot about their playing time. They don't shut up even if I sub them in at the lineup screen just prior to playing (comparable to a game-time lineup change). They only stay quiet if I go to my rosters and edit them to put the complaining player in, even if I'm an AL team and I make the guy in the "LHP w/o DH" linueps (which never play). So maybe the solution is to tell Bernie he's in the lineup whenever there's no DH and we face a lefty, and he'll stop complaining. After all, video games = reality. Right? Right???
2006-08-16 16:45:34
80.   Ron Burgundy
77 No, it's just that Cy Loewen and his 6.41 ERA is pitching again. He is the worst pitcher in the AL other than Bruce Chen, and we can't do shit against him for THREE GAMES IN A ROW.
2006-08-16 16:45:54
81.   Alvaro Espinoza
Let's give them more than one trip through the lineup before condemning them. Anyone remember last night?
2006-08-16 16:46:42
82.   Ron Burgundy
81 Yes. I also remember the last 2 games Loewen pitched against us.
2006-08-16 16:46:57
83.   randym77
72 Really? Kinda scary, considering how much time he spent on the DL for bad back this year.
2006-08-16 16:46:57
84.   Schteeve
79 I think I play the same game as you! Whiny bastards.
2006-08-16 16:47:50
85.   Schteeve
Dear ESPN, I don't want SportsCenter on my TV why would I want it on my cell phone? Enough already.

Love,

me

2006-08-16 16:48:59
86.   mehmattski
74 Well, technically yes, though I believe that batting average has a lot more "wobble" than OBP or SLG... so a bigger sample is needed for AVG than for the other two. I agree that the large 11 year sample does show a significant difference, but I still wonder about the hurt/tired explanation early in Giambi's career. And like others have said, Giambi and his mustache should get used to DHing, because that's his role with this team (a point I think we agree on).
2006-08-16 16:50:52
87.   rbj
Dam, Baltimore's being pesky with two outs tonight.
2006-08-16 16:51:14
88.   Javi Javi
tejada did not even look at bernie. That's where his arm really hurts us.
2006-08-16 16:51:48
89.   mehmattski
84 It happened in MVP 2005, and another solution was to put them on the "trading block" or to only sign guys whose defined role was "AAA Backup." Its worse in MLB 2k6, since players actually start to perform poorly if they're unhappy. And after giving it a fair shake, I've decided that MLB 2k6 is an abomination of baseball. EA was SOOOO close to making the perfect baseball game, and now they can't. I'm still upset.
2006-08-16 16:52:19
90.   Alvaro Espinoza
82 Don't make me send Sal Fasano after you!
2006-08-16 16:52:20
91.   randym77
88 Yeah, I've noticed that. They are running on Bernie without even looking up.
2006-08-16 16:54:15
92.   Javi Javi
Come on Lidle. you need three outs per inning.
2006-08-16 16:54:46
93.   monkeypants
In happier news, O's are getting to Wells.
2006-08-16 16:54:48
94.   mehmattski
Ron, is your birthday any time soon. Because for your blood pressure's sake, I'd wish for you a 10 run first inning for the Yanks, cause that might be the only way you avoid negativity during the game. Though you might talk about the lead not being Proctor/Villone/Ponson/Farnsworth Proof...
2006-08-16 16:56:08
95.   Schteeve
89 Yeah they just need a whole new bunch of technology before there's a really competitive baseball SIM. Do you ever have problems with the herky jerky graphics, especially when you're fielding?
2006-08-16 16:56:25
96.   rbj
Grrrr. *@&#!%@!#!!!!
Make 'em hit it Corey!
2006-08-16 16:56:26
97.   Javi Javi
boo.
2006-08-16 16:57:43
98.   rbj
Corey helpin' Corey.
2006-08-16 16:58:10
99.   Javi Javi
This 1 run per innning thing has to stop.
2006-08-16 16:58:39
100.   randym77
Well, that could have been a lot worse. :-/
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2006-08-16 16:58:54
101.   Schteeve
On one hand, down 3 nothing after two doesn't worry me in the least. On the other hand, a glove.
2006-08-16 16:59:41
102.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Wow, did that ever suck.
2006-08-16 16:59:46
103.   mehmattski
95 Yeah, its a good fielding simulation, if you're Manny Ramirez... I feel like every play its like, ball hit... wait... wait... now the fielder reacts and moves. On top of that though, even on Legend I still hit .330 for the season with the Yankees... the starters all have the stamina of Jaret Wright... the CPU is awful at managing a team (Red Sox trade Ortiz, Mets don't resign Wright or Reyes)... a simulation shouldn't require micromanaged "sliders" to make it more realistic... the whole game seems kinda thrown together, without any excitement.
2006-08-16 16:59:47
104.   monkeypants
99 Or, Torre just pells as many regulars as possible and forces Lidle to go nine!
2006-08-16 16:59:57
105.   Alvaro Espinoza
99 You said it. The scoreboard is beginning to resemble a bar code.
2006-08-16 17:00:44
106.   BklynBmr
Will someone please inform the offense they can jump in this game any time now...

I mean, this guy is throwing a perfect game...

2006-08-16 17:00:57
107.   claybeez
Lidle is not making me forget Pavano is finally pitching again.
2006-08-16 17:01:12
108.   rbj
Gee, is it too early to mention that Loewen is pitching a shutout, not to mention a no hitter, nor to mention a perfect game? What does Michael Kay say?
2006-08-16 17:02:07
109.   Alvaro Espinoza
Hit it HARDER, Salvatore!
2006-08-16 17:02:22
110.   monkeypants
108 Michael Kay says you are a slave owner!
2006-08-16 17:02:36
111.   mehmattski
I figured it out... MLB (or NYY) rules must stipulate that only one mustache can be in the lineup at a time... so if it's Posada's night off, Giambi's gotta sit now.
2006-08-16 17:02:38
112.   rbj
Melkster!
2006-08-16 17:03:03
113.   claybeez
Nice to have youth. Nice to have speed. Nice hustle Melky.
2006-08-16 17:03:06
114.   BklynBmr
Shazam! Now's let get busy about this shutout...
2006-08-16 17:03:32
115.   randym77
Tejada is no Jeter.
2006-08-16 17:03:47
116.   Javi Javi
At least the no-hitter is gone. Nice job Melky
2006-08-16 17:04:04
117.   Eirias
A Jeter-esque throw? I think he meant a Jeterian throw.
2006-08-16 17:06:12
118.   mehmattski
I will never, ever get tired of the Yogi AFLAC commercial. And that's no sarcasm.
2006-08-16 17:06:17
119.   Javi Javi
This can't last they are hitting the ball solidly, but right at fielders.
2006-08-16 17:06:18
120.   Alvaro Espinoza
Verlander BB's 8 AND 9 hitters to start 3rd inning...
2006-08-16 17:06:25
121.   randym77
LOL! Damon threw his helmet to the ground, and said something to Millar.

That's a fine way to treat your old teammate, Kevin...

2006-08-16 17:06:25
122.   BklynBmr
Do the O's have 15 guys in field or are the Yanks just aiming for them? This ain't right...
2006-08-16 17:06:44
123.   LI yankee
Jeez, I think we found our own Scott Kazmir in Loewen, although not nearly as good.
2006-08-16 17:08:02
124.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Verlander walks the 8 and 9 hitters. Luckily the Sawx also have a number 10 hitter in Coco Chanel.
2006-08-16 17:08:18
125.   rbj
Tied up 1- 1 in Beantown
2006-08-16 17:09:08
126.   randym77
Don't worry. The Orioles bullpen sucks big, green, warty pickles. We'll get to them eventually.
2006-08-16 17:09:29
127.   BklynBmr
Hey Lidle, no one run for the Birds this inning! And that don't mean 2 or more is OK either...
2006-08-16 17:11:18
128.   randym77
Hallelujah!
2006-08-16 17:11:20
129.   mehmattski
Whoa, so after getting two outs, its possible to get the third immediately? You don't have to give up a run first? Novel!
2006-08-16 17:11:23
130.   LI yankee
Nearly 70 pitches for Lidle. Looks like we're seeing Dotel and some bottom feeders tonight.
2006-08-16 17:11:26
131.   dwight45
73 BB - This was in the NY Daily this a.m.: http://tinyurl.com/qmfw4
2006-08-16 17:11:29
132.   dwight45
73 BB - This was in the NY Daily this a.m.: http://tinyurl.com/qmfw4
2006-08-16 17:11:51
133.   rbj
Manny grounds out to end the inning. Still tied
2006-08-16 17:12:37
134.   BklynBmr
126 I have no doubts about that. I just can't recall the last time we had a laugher by the 5th inning or so. (Not counting The Unit's 6 inning no-no with a 7 run lead, but no one was laughing in the 9th).
2006-08-16 17:13:30
135.   rbj
Great. so in eight years we'll have a sucky Loewen on our team.
2006-08-16 17:15:00
136.   monkeypants
135 Only if he beats us in the playoffs before then.
2006-08-16 17:15:50
137.   BklynBmr
132 Ah, thank you, Dwight... Lupica has forced me to remove The Daily News from my 'morning paper' list ;-) I'll check that out...
2006-08-16 17:16:10
138.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
130...Dotel will be on about 3 pitch pitch count
2006-08-16 17:18:23
139.   BklynBmr
Allright, Bobby! Man. I wish he'd homer — even a non-clutch blast. I wanna hear Sterling's call '-)
2006-08-16 17:19:01
140.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
I hope LaTroy Hawkins did not throw too many pitches last night....he is always a welcome guest in the late innings
2006-08-16 17:19:47
141.   Alvaro Espinoza
Geez Louise, Alex...
2006-08-16 17:19:56
142.   mehmattski
Well, that was a productive at-bat... in bizzaro world.
2006-08-16 17:20:39
143.   LI yankee
138 Yeah most likely, but it'll be good to see what he has
2006-08-16 17:22:19
144.   BklynBmr
OK, pretty soon the Yanks are going to start hittin' 'em where they ain't. Let's not let this thing get beyond a 3-run hole...
2006-08-16 17:26:00
145.   mehmattski
You know, sometimes I think that base umps get bored and punch guys out on check swings just for something to do.
2006-08-16 17:26:33
146.   rbj
So now Lidle's figured it out. Hopefully Loewen will start sucking now.
2006-08-16 17:29:05
147.   BklynBmr
Baserunner! Is there a baserunner in the house?
2006-08-16 17:30:25
148.   mehmattski
There's one.
2006-08-16 17:30:25
149.   Travis
At least Bernie can still hit lefties.
2006-08-16 17:31:05
150.   BklynBmr
Happy 443, Bernie! Donnie looks pissed...
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2006-08-16 17:31:49
151.   randym77
Congrats, Bernie.
2006-08-16 17:32:40
152.   singledd
You gotta love the 'Love' Bernie gets from the fans. It's really cool.
2006-08-16 17:33:40
153.   rbj
Now get Bernie home, guys.
2006-08-16 17:34:18
154.   BklynBmr
152 Whether or not he should be on the roster aside, I'm lovin' this 'long good-bye'...
2006-08-16 17:35:16
155.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
is there much of a really much of a difference between Stinnett, Fasano and the pitching net I threw into as a kid that tossed the ball back ?
2006-08-16 17:35:19
156.   mehmattski
I'd say something about Fasano's hitting, but I'm afraid I might get whacked.
2006-08-16 17:35:20
157.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
is there much of a really much of a difference between Stinnett, Fasano and the pitching net I threw into as a kid that tossed the ball back ?
2006-08-16 17:36:10
158.   BklynBmr
Let's go, Melky. You busted up the no-no, now take care of the shutout...
2006-08-16 17:36:10
159.   randym77
155 Fasano has a mustache.
2006-08-16 17:36:10
160.   rbj
155 Fasano has the better moustache.
2006-08-16 17:36:42
161.   BklynBmr
Melky for Mayor!
2006-08-16 17:36:47
162.   rbj
And a rookie shall lead them.
2006-08-16 17:36:49
163.   Travis
There goes the shutout.
2006-08-16 17:36:51
164.   mehmattski
Bernie sets up the empty bottles outside the door....

.... and the Melkman Delivers!

2006-08-16 17:37:13
165.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Has anyone ever seen John Franco and Sal Fasano at the same time ? I think we are looking at the same guy....probably same Camaro
2006-08-16 17:37:18
166.   Alvaro Espinoza
Man oh man do I love 2-out rbi's!
2006-08-16 17:37:25
167.   BklynBmr
157 Now that is funny...
2006-08-16 17:38:10
168.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Melky and Cano...hopefully Yankees for life
2006-08-16 17:38:22
169.   randym77
I think Loewen's losing it. Bullpen, here we come.
2006-08-16 17:38:58
170.   mehmattski
155 Don't forget John Flaherty, Chris Widger, Alberto Castillo, and Todd Greene.
2006-08-16 17:41:17
171.   Jersey
82 pitches through 5 for Loewen. The Baltimore 'pen makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
2006-08-16 17:41:24
172.   seamus
Well, Loewen is at 82 pitches. If Jeter, Abreu, and ARod can work the counts on him next inning, no matter what they do, at least we'll likely get to the pen in the 7th which gives us time to come back. I just don't see why we insist on falling behind in every game against them.
2006-08-16 17:42:03
173.   seamus
171 great minds...
2006-08-16 17:43:13
174.   Schteeve
Remember when Jeff Conine came up as a rookie? I thought it was really classy the way he befriended fellow rookie Jackie Robinson.
2006-08-16 17:43:19
175.   BklynBmr
168 Future headline I'd love to see: 'Yanks Deciding Whether To Bring Back Cano for 17th Year; Melky Agrees to Reduced Role for 16th Season, Inks 1 Year Deal for $38M'
2006-08-16 17:43:38
176.   monkeypants
If Lidle muscles through this inning, one can't really complain about the 4th/5th starter effort. Now, if the bats would show up a little more forcefully.
2006-08-16 17:44:36
177.   mehmattski
Quick, someone name the last Yankees' backup catcher who has a Yanks WS ring....
2006-08-16 17:45:30
178.   claybeez
176 True. Lidle's resolve has come as a pleasent surprise.
2006-08-16 17:45:35
179.   Schteeve
177 Wouldn't that be Jorge Posada?
2006-08-16 17:46:27
180.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
any news on Matsui or Sheff ?

On another note...since Myers has pitched in about 6 games since the all-star break and tossed about 24 pitches....can we not leave him in Columbus and call him up for Red Sox series ? That is the only reason he is here ?

2006-08-16 17:46:33
181.   BklynBmr
176 I agree. Felt like throwing rocks at him early on, but Yanks have looked listless at the plate from the go...
2006-08-16 17:46:45
182.   mehmattski
177 Nope, Posada started 136 games in 2000, and all 16 playoff games.
2006-08-16 17:47:42
183.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
174....that was tremendous...still laughing
2006-08-16 17:47:45
184.   randym77
180 They said before the game that Sheff has been cleared to swing a bat, but only underwater.
2006-08-16 17:48:10
185.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Big Papi 2 run bomb
2006-08-16 17:48:27
186.   rbj
Granted there was the A-Rod muffed DP, but isn't Lidle's line tonight better than Moose's last night? That just doesn't seem right.
2006-08-16 17:49:14
187.   rbj
182 You're forgetting 1998.
2006-08-16 17:50:01
188.   mehmattski
184 So not only will Sheff be able to play first base when he comes back, but he'll also be SCUBA certified. How versatile.
2006-08-16 17:50:09
189.   monkeypants
177 I cheated--it was Chris Turner, who was friggin' horrible too. Of course, Posada caught 136 games that year, Turner only caught 20+ games (Leyritz caught a couple). Oh, and the team only won 87 games.

I'm not sure the Yankees can expect Posada to catch 130+ games any more, and they sure don't want Christ Turner, er Fasano/Stinnett/Flaherty starting 40 or 50 games.

2006-08-16 17:50:09
190.   Travis
177 Off the top of my head, I thought Leyritz, but he only caught 2 games in 2000.
2006-08-16 17:51:53
191.   Schteeve
182 Chris Turner?
2006-08-16 17:52:34
192.   mehmattski
187 Well I was looking up the Yanks' recent backup catchers, and I don't even remember this guy, I was wondering if anyone else did:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/turnech01.shtml

Jim Leyritz was on the team briefly, before being traded to the Dodgers for Jose Vizcaino at the end of June.

2006-08-16 17:52:42
193.   Travis
Tigers get 1 back.
2006-08-16 17:53:01
194.   Schteeve
C'mon A-Rod pad your stats with a meaningless middle inning game tying home run!
2006-08-16 17:53:55
195.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Maggs HR 3-2 Sox...
2006-08-16 17:54:09
196.   rbj
194 He'd only be insulting the fans with that.
2006-08-16 17:54:42
197.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Send Abreu so that when A Rod strikes out we have a man on 2nd with 2 down
2006-08-16 17:55:44
198.   Alvaro Espinoza
I'd throw the deuce to A-rod here...
2006-08-16 17:56:51
199.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
189...you are right as I do not want Stinnett/ Fasano/ Flaherty starting even if they let all three play at the same time and we could bat 11 guys....they collectively do not equal a decent backup
2006-08-16 17:57:04
200.   monkeypants
At least A-Rod is making him work little, to balance Jeter's quick AB.
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2006-08-16 17:57:07
201.   Travis
192 I remember the name, but not the guy, if that makes any sense. It's amazing how he managed to go the entire post-season without playing a single inning.
2006-08-16 17:58:18
202.   rbj
Nice AB, Alex.
2006-08-16 17:58:21
203.   Alvaro Espinoza
Fantastic AB from A-rod
2006-08-16 17:58:26
204.   singledd
2 run BOMB. Tigers up 4-3.
2006-08-16 17:58:27
205.   Travis
Tigers 4, Sox 3
2006-08-16 17:58:46
206.   LI yankee
4-3 Detroit
2006-08-16 17:58:51
207.   Alvaro Espinoza
And a 2-run bomb in Beantown! 4-3 DET.
2006-08-16 17:58:57
208.   Schteeve
11 pitch walk. Well done A-Rod.
2006-08-16 17:59:01
209.   singledd
Great AB by ARod
2006-08-16 17:59:13
210.   monkeypants
Ahhh, David Wells 'rounding' back into form...
2006-08-16 17:59:37
211.   claybeez
Solid AB by Alex. Why does it seem the Yanks save these tremendous ABs for the 1st inning and sometime after the 5th?
2006-08-16 18:00:19
212.   Schteeve
Hey Ho! Ca-no!
2006-08-16 18:00:22
213.   rbj
Cano!
2006-08-16 18:00:28
214.   Alvaro Espinoza
Ok, I'll bite...

Who the hell is (my new favorite non-Yankee player) Brent Clevlen???

2006-08-16 18:01:50
215.   Schteeve
Bernie is a luck hitter these days. It's sad to watch him like this when you remember what he used to be.
2006-08-16 18:02:11
216.   rbj
214 Bert Blylevn's cousin? (couldn't resist)
2006-08-16 18:03:47
217.   singledd
Wonder what situation Giambi will PH in..
2006-08-16 18:03:50
218.   Eirias
Middle Relief!
2006-08-16 18:04:10
219.   monkeypants
215 So true. He actually led the team in OPS five times in six years; now he's a cripple hitter. Oh well, sooner or later age is the great leveller.
2006-08-16 18:04:23
220.   randym77
Who's coming in for Loewen?
2006-08-16 18:04:32
221.   mehmattski
201 After an exhaustive search, I did find evidence that Turner was indeed on the post season roster.

http://tinyurl.com/pmjs5

So whoever asked if Torre would leave Fasano off the PS roster this season (monkeypants, I believe), dream on... if Turner made it, so will Big Sal.

2006-08-16 18:05:23
222.   Travis
217 This would be a perfect situation, but I'm sure they'd intentionally walk him. Any chance of PH'ing Posada for Fasano?
2006-08-16 18:05:25
223.   Alvaro Espinoza
Verlander is walking the park tonight. Amazing the Tigers are ahead right now.
2006-08-16 18:05:36
224.   Schteeve
219 The fact that his BA is .281,

a) Boggles my mind

and

b) Proves how almost worthless BA is.

2006-08-16 18:06:13
225.   Alvaro Espinoza
217 One requiring a mustache.
2006-08-16 18:06:25
226.   singledd
I'm glad to see that pitcher gone... especially with a strikeout artist like Wilson up... or will it be Giambi? I'd save Giambi for later, when a sac fly would help.
2006-08-16 18:06:33
227.   LI yankee
Wow seeing T Williams coming in on gamecast gave me an eerie feeling...
2006-08-16 18:06:54
228.   Travis
Interesting - Posada for Wilson, and saving Giambi for later.
2006-08-16 18:07:17
229.   randym77
Interesting. It's Jorgie and Giambi.
2006-08-16 18:07:40
230.   monkeypants
Interesting tactical decision here. Who knows if it will work out, but at least Torre's thinking a little outside the box.
2006-08-16 18:08:14
231.   pistolpete
Oh PLEASE throw one to the backstop...
2006-08-16 18:08:46
232.   Travis
227 Ted, back from the freezer?
2006-08-16 18:09:03
233.   monkeypants
221 You remembered! Sadly, I suspect you are right.
2006-08-16 18:09:16
234.   rilkefan
Why pitch to Jorge?
2006-08-16 18:09:22
235.   Alvaro Espinoza
He put the 3-1 pitch on a tee for ya, Jorgie!
2006-08-16 18:09:34
236.   nick
so he's trying to set up bases loaded via ibb to then ph with Giambi? but Wilson could've gotten the same result by himself--why burn Jorgie here?
2006-08-16 18:10:27
237.   pistolpete
Ah well - Loewen's out, that's a start. Still three more chances...
2006-08-16 18:10:30
238.   rilkefan
Never mind.
2006-08-16 18:10:34
239.   Alvaro Espinoza
And Verlander walks Alex Cora... groan...
2006-08-16 18:10:38
240.   Travis
Verlander's walked 8 tonight.
2006-08-16 18:11:45
241.   monkeypants
228 Giambi is only saved IF Posada plays 1B (or maybe an appearance by, what's his name again, Phillips).
2006-08-16 18:12:16
242.   monkeypants
Nope. Posada to C, Giambi to 1B. Rest time is over, boys.
2006-08-16 18:12:21
243.   Travis
241 Nope, Giambi.
2006-08-16 18:13:02
244.   LI yankee
232 Yeah, I've never heard of this Williams so i thought my gamecast was going weird on me.
2006-08-16 18:13:17
245.   mehmattski
At this point, leave Cory in for the whole thing. No sense using anyone other than Dotel...
2006-08-16 18:13:31
246.   BklynBmr
Has any #5 even made it to the 7th this season?
2006-08-16 18:13:31
247.   Travis
Crisp 2-run double off the wall, would have been an out almost anywhere else. Inning over.
2006-08-16 18:14:00
248.   singledd
Crisp with a wall-ball double. Sox up 5-4.
2006-08-16 18:14:29
249.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Sox back up 5-4 damn it
2006-08-16 18:15:28
250.   militello
If Torre was going to pinch hit both Posada and Giambi, I think it would have made more sense to bat the better hitter in Giambi first. Oh well.
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2006-08-16 18:15:51
251.   monkeypants
Fortunately, Boston has Wells, Tito, and their BP before getting to Papelbon.
2006-08-16 18:16:23
252.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Coco Crisp looks developmentally disabled in his gamecast photo on mlb.com
2006-08-16 18:16:35
253.   pistolpete
246 That depends - who would you consider our #5 starters this season?
2006-08-16 18:17:04
254.   mehmattski
246 Depends on your definition of #5... if you've always considered Jaret Wright #4, then no, none of Chacon/Small/Ponson/Wilson made it to the seventh inning.

Mike Myers continues to not exist for the Yankees...

2006-08-16 18:17:08
255.   LI yankee
250 Yeah, plus if he got out we could keep Posada on the bench resting some more anyways...strange move.
2006-08-16 18:17:10
256.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
250....absolutely thought the same thing myself
2006-08-16 18:17:36
257.   BklynBmr
Thank you, Lidle! Not bad, not bad. You should have a 5 run lead, though...
2006-08-16 18:17:38
258.   Travis
250 Giambi definitely would have been IBB'd.
2006-08-16 18:18:03
259.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
also with Giambi not batting you could have gotten another inning in the field without his glove...leave Wilson in and let Giambi lead off the next inning...
2006-08-16 18:18:13
260.   Alvaro Espinoza
Aww shucks, Muts lose... AGAIN.
2006-08-16 18:18:44
261.   monkeypants
OK, so is using Villone tonight more 'resting the players' before the big series?
2006-08-16 18:19:15
262.   mehmattski
260 Oh no, now their lead is cut to 12 games... stupid NL and its mediocrity.
2006-08-16 18:19:54
263.   BklynBmr
253, 254 Basically anyone beyond Unit, Moose, Wang and Wright. I think you answered it, meh... Thanks!
2006-08-16 18:20:07
264.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Lidle pitches like that in Fenway and that is all you can ask
2006-08-16 18:20:53
265.   mehmattski
Thou Shalt Not Steal!!!
2006-08-16 18:20:55
266.   LI yankee
Also if for some odd reason we don't get any baserunners until the 9th, Posada would be due last. Obviously we'd all want Giambi up there if we still were down by 1. I'm probably thinking too far ahead though...
2006-08-16 18:21:43
267.   mehmattski
Our favorite Hawkins since Andy is warming in the O's pen
2006-08-16 18:21:43
268.   militello
He might have been walked but then what would you rather have: Posada up with runners on second and third or Posada up with the bases loaded. I'd rather have the latter as it puts a lot more pressure on the pitcher.
2006-08-16 18:22:12
269.   pistolpete
Do we see Dotel in the 8th?
2006-08-16 18:23:42
270.   pistolpete
On a side note, that'll learn me for picking up Saunders for my fantasy team - Texas scores runs in the 3rd inning, bumping my team ERA for the week up to a bloated 6.56.

Cripes. I should just pick up Jaret Wright and be done with it.

2006-08-16 18:24:02
271.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
The Yanks really need a blow out tommorow night...toss 12 on the board and let the pen get some rest, although the bullpen janitor who would pick up the garbage innings is our starter on Friday...
2006-08-16 18:24:17
272.   pistolpete
270 Oops, forgot the '9' - Texas scored 9 runs in the 3rd.
2006-08-16 18:25:26
273.   monkeypants
269 Tough call--close game with the meat of the order coming up. You could go to Dotel for two batters then Meyers for LH Gibbons.
2006-08-16 18:25:28
274.   Travis
272 Texas only scored 8 in the 3rd - they also scored 1 unearned run in the 1st. (I have Saunders on my team too.)
2006-08-16 18:25:53
275.   randym77
The Clippers' new first baseman, Aaron Guiel, hit a homer tonight.
2006-08-16 18:26:34
276.   pistolpete
274 Just dropped Saunders and picked up Wright - he may only pitch 6, but at least hopefully he won't kill my ERA and WHIP...
2006-08-16 18:27:45
277.   Travis
276 I can't drop Saunders - it's a head-to-head league, and he goes twice next week.
2006-08-16 18:28:12
278.   BklynBmr
This games feels 4 hours old already, but it's gettin' late early. Let's take this thing over this inning. Baserunners and timely hitting, please!
2006-08-16 18:28:22
279.   randym77
Eight runs in one inning?!

How come we couldn't do that to the bleepin' Halos?

2006-08-16 18:29:34
280.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
how many years left on Giambis deal ? 3 or 4 ?
2006-08-16 18:30:08
281.   Travis
Melky absolutely crushed that single.
2006-08-16 18:30:28
282.   pistolpete
277 Oh yeah, I'm head to head too, but I got enough moves left that I could possibly pick him up again if I had to for next week. I have that one spot on my roster that I usually fill with a new guy each week - last week it was Scott Olsen; he got bombed so it was then Saunders.

So now it's Wright tomorrow.

2006-08-16 18:30:42
283.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Melky plays like he loves the game....sort of like A-Rod
2006-08-16 18:31:44
284.   monkeypants
Gotta send Damon here.
2006-08-16 18:32:11
285.   Eirias
HAWKINS!
2006-08-16 18:32:30
286.   mehmattski
{Standing ovation for LaTroy Hawkins}
2006-08-16 18:32:54
287.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
here comes our boy LaTroy...agreed let Damon go...
2006-08-16 18:34:20
288.   BklynBmr
280 Clipped from mlb4you.com:

7-Year worth 120M-

he receives a 17M Signing bonus that is paid 3M in 2002, 4M in '03 and '04, 4.5M in '05, 1M in '06 and 0.5M in '07-

he will make in 2002-8M, in 2003-9M, in 2004- 10M, in 2005- 11M, i 2006- 18M and in 2007 and 08- 21M and in 2009- Team Option 22M or 5M buyout

2006-08-16 18:36:23
289.   mehmattski
288 And yet, the focus will forever be on A-Rod's "outrageous" contract. Chances that Giambi performs to the 21 M level in 2008... 0%.
2006-08-16 18:36:39
290.   Travis
Sac fly in Boston - Ordonez airmailed the throw.
2006-08-16 18:36:58
291.   monkeypants
Alright! Big break...now let's get the runner in from third.
2006-08-16 18:37:03
292.   pistolpete
Holy sh!t - did Hernandez even LOOK at 2B before throwing?
2006-08-16 18:37:08
293.   mehmattski
Ummmmm.... did someone skip that day in little league practice?
2006-08-16 18:37:13
294.   BklynBmr
Well, the throw was perfect ;-)
2006-08-16 18:37:57
295.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
sox scratch out another run
2006-08-16 18:38:18
296.   Eirias
292 I thought that catchers don't really look, that it is the fielder's job to be there.
2006-08-16 18:38:23
297.   Eirias
292 I thought that catchers don't really look, that it is the fielder's job to be there.
2006-08-16 18:38:23
298.   BklynBmr
That sucked...
2006-08-16 18:38:42
299.   pistolpete
Damn it - Jeter looked like he didn't want to swing at that...
2006-08-16 18:38:51
300.   Ron Burgundy
Hey folks. How was the game?
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2006-08-16 18:38:57
301.   Eirias
Double post. Wonderful.
2006-08-16 18:39:14
302.   SF Yanks
What happened to our hot-hitting shortstop?
2006-08-16 18:39:31
303.   monkeypants
295 Yep. It's starting to look like they're just not gonna shake the Sox easily this year. Going to have to win head-to-head.
2006-08-16 18:39:42
304.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
280 / 288

Giambi will be a scary thought in 2009 unless he finds another pharmacist and "cuts out junk food again"

2006-08-16 18:39:46
305.   randym77
Kind of annoying that there's nothing to show for it. After all that.
2006-08-16 18:40:06
306.   mehmattski
This is where the error stat makes no sense... clearly it was not a throwing error, but giving it to Tejada or Roberts doesn't make much sense either, only the Orioles know who was "supposed" to cover second there. Maybe the people at Stats, Inc who are paid to watch thousands of hours of baseball games can come up with a "bonehead play" counting stat or something.
2006-08-16 18:40:10
307.   Travis
Yanks have left runners in scoring position each of the last 3 innings.
2006-08-16 18:40:36
308.   Travis
Leadoff single for Detroit.
2006-08-16 18:40:55
309.   monkeypants
OK. Win or lose at least we'll see what Dotel has to offer. Better now than with the bases juiced against MAnnny.
2006-08-16 18:41:09
310.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Dotel beats Pavano to the mound
2006-08-16 18:41:14
311.   BklynBmr
289 Yeah, A-Rod's "outrageous" contract. You mean the one which the national sports media never fails to not mention that Tom Hicks is still paying a nice chunk of it.
2006-08-16 18:41:52
312.   C2Coke
Dotel Debut.
2006-08-16 18:41:53
313.   pistolpete
Who honestly thought Boston would get swept at home by anyone, even the Tigers?
2006-08-16 18:42:19
314.   monkeypants
306 Didn't Cosell used to advocate the creation of a "Team Error," for such misplays?
2006-08-16 18:42:40
315.   Ron Burgundy
309 Except one thing: This is the ORIOLES. There's no win or lose against the Orioles. They are a AAAA team with horrible pitching. Losing and scoring less than even 3 runs against the 2nd worst pitcher in the AL again is not just something OK.
2006-08-16 18:43:26
316.   pistolpete
Trivia: Dotel's got Dave LaPointe's old #...
2006-08-16 18:43:28
317.   BklynBmr
I'm personally encouraged by the high socks...
2006-08-16 18:43:44
318.   mehmattski
311 "never fails to not mention" Grammar Police! weeeoooweeeooo.... j/k, if its any solace it would have made perfect sense in Latin.

No, no, its the Yankees fault that A-Rod makes $25 mil/yr... how bad for baseball that team is... That said, Giambi's contract is going to be a huuuuuuge slowly dying albatross in a couple of years.

2006-08-16 18:44:14
319.   Eirias
Dotel for the Cy Young
2006-08-16 18:44:16
320.   Schteeve
Who is this handsome fellow pitching for the Yankees?
2006-08-16 18:44:36
321.   C2Coke
Now that's a good start.
2006-08-16 18:45:18
322.   Schteeve
DAMN IT! Dotel SUCKS. Why did we ever GET HIM!
2006-08-16 18:46:23
323.   Eirias
318 The police would like you to know that your sentence should read "it's," not "its."
2006-08-16 18:46:28
324.   yankz
OK, 4 pitch walk?
2006-08-16 18:46:35
325.   C2Coke
317 Yea, man, I am with you. Never ever thought someone on this team would wear it like that. Perhaps it shows he has guts to do something different.
2006-08-16 18:47:14
326.   Ron Burgundy
Can we please win this?
2006-08-16 18:47:30
327.   randym77
Proctor again?

Sheesh. It wasn't a three-pitch count, but it was close.

2006-08-16 18:47:33
328.   Schteeve
325 You may recal a guy named El Duque, or Soriano, or Nick Johnson. They all wore the high socks. Or as my dad likes to say, "The Right Way."
2006-08-16 18:47:53
329.   mehmattski
323 Your write. ;-)
2006-08-16 18:47:53
330.   monkeypants
A little hindsight, but shoulda used Meyers there.
2006-08-16 18:48:09
331.   RichYF
Proctor only pitched 309 innings last night. Good game guys. Get 'em tomorrow.
2006-08-16 18:48:16
332.   yankz
extremely short leash, eh? C'mon, Everyday.
2006-08-16 18:49:10
333.   singledd
Dotel is electric! I feel much better about winning in the PS now.
2006-08-16 18:49:36
334.   randym77
Bubba Crosby wore his pants high when he first came up.
2006-08-16 18:50:15
335.   Ron Burgundy
332 If he keeps it here, we might sneak one out. But even having these close games with the ORIOLES is lame.
2006-08-16 18:50:27
336.   Zack
Good ol' EDSP again. I mean, hey, its not like we don't have an insane weekend coming up or anything...And its not like Myers hasn't pitched in a month or anything...Oh well, gotta keep up his pace
2006-08-16 18:50:50
337.   BklynBmr
318 That was fully intentional for effect, my friend ;-)

Oh, yeah. The A-Rod deal was highway robbery by the Yanks, but it's couched by the airheads in Bristol and beyond as 'just more greed' from the Evil Empire.

Giambi's contact is huge, but that's been the MO. Pay for the chance to win now with big backended money. See RJ's deal, and Damon's for that matter. Pay for 'em beyond what we'll expect to get that value for in those years, just to have 'em now. Hey, if we have the $$, spend it!

2006-08-16 18:50:55
338.   C2Coke
331 We still see his right arm attached to him, don't we? So Torre's mission is not accomplished.

325 That just seem like forever ago.

2006-08-16 18:51:07
339.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Christ Proctor is going to be pitching underhand by October is this keeps up

Did the fragile Farnsworth pitch this week ?

Did anyone see Myers at Old Timers Day, is he still pitching?

2006-08-16 18:51:10
340.   Schteeve
334 So did Conine, because he had no choice, that's how everybody wore them back in Jackie Robinson's day.
2006-08-16 18:52:02
341.   mehmattski
Zack, I think we're going to need the [Wacky Dance] in order to win this one.
2006-08-16 18:52:06
342.   pistolpete
Damn it, ump was calling that pitch EVERY time on the opposite corner for Loewen.
2006-08-16 18:52:30
343.   C2Coke
338 And I meant {328].
2006-08-16 18:52:31
344.   Schteeve
337 Et Al, the Yankees can't win no matter what they do. They give a long big money contract to Giambi and they get killed for it. They don't give a long big money contract to Beltran and the get killed for it.
2006-08-16 18:52:33
345.   SF Yanks
Game.Set.Match.
2006-08-16 18:52:42
346.   Zack
Even if it doesn't happen this year, is there any way that Proctor doesn't come up with "dead arm" and/or Tommy John next year?
2006-08-16 18:52:49
347.   Travis
Myers better be warming to pitch to Patterson.
2006-08-16 18:53:07
348.   randym77
340 LOL! When Leiter was with the Yanks last year, they used to tease him by asking him how he pitched to Babe Ruth.
2006-08-16 18:53:16
349.   yankz
F'ing BB
2006-08-16 18:54:02
350.   Zack
341 If Proctor gets out of this, it will def. be call for a [Wacky Dance], though I don't want to overuse them...
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2006-08-16 18:54:03
351.   C2Coke
Maybe Protor's head will fall off first. And Torre will see to that happening. I came in late, can someone tell me why was Villon out so soon?
2006-08-16 18:54:34
352.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Send Andy Phillips down and carry an extra pitcher if Myers can only pitch on a monthly basis..

Or send Fasano back to Brooklyn and use Wilson to back up Jorgie

2006-08-16 18:54:50
353.   Travis
And Dotel keeps his 0.00 ERA. Great job by Proctor.
2006-08-16 18:54:59
354.   BklynBmr
Proctor for President!
2006-08-16 18:55:11
355.   pistolpete
[Wacky Dance][Wacky Dance][Wacky Dance][Wacky Dance][Wacky Dance][Wacky Dance][Wacky Dance][Wacky Dance][Wacky Dance][Wacky Dance][Wacky Dance][Wacky Dance][Wacky Dance]
2006-08-16 18:55:11
356.   Bama Yankee
Didn't Mark Bellhorn wear the high socks when he graced us with his presence?

Man I double hated that guy, played for Auburn and the Red Sox... still can't believe we signed him.

2006-08-16 18:55:12
357.   Zack
[Wacky Dance]!
2006-08-16 18:55:28
358.   randym77
Myers was warming earlier, so I assume he could go if needed.
2006-08-16 18:55:46
359.   Schteeve
345 Ye of little faith. You must believe in Scott Proctor the Butt Doctor.
2006-08-16 18:56:12
360.   Travis
Last chance for Detroit. Papelbon in.
2006-08-16 18:56:16
361.   Ron Burgundy
SCORE THREE RUNS HERE. Please. Pretty Please. With a Cherry on Top.
2006-08-16 18:56:57
362.   weeping for brunnhilde
That's an awful title, Cliff, you're killing me over here.

:)

In other news, I'm glad that ball was hit to Derek and not you know where.

2006-08-16 18:57:32
363.   Travis
The well-rested Chris Ray in for the 2-inning save. I'm glad they didn't use him in a tie game in Boston on Saturday.
2006-08-16 18:57:33
364.   mehmattski
Don't forget that Conine is "Mr. Marlin," so named for his game winning homer in the first game in Marlins' history... winning pitcher that game... Charlie Hough, who made his ML Debut in 1970 with the LA Dodgers....
2006-08-16 18:57:40
365.   monkeypants
353 Ah, but the last pitcher with a 0.00 ERA sent down, then traded...
2006-08-16 18:58:10
366.   pistolpete
I foresee a solo shot in this inning, and we go to the 9th tied at 3.
2006-08-16 18:58:34
367.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
344...Giambi a bloated greasy junkie that everyone including the Yankees knew was using....Beltran a young natural talent to take over for 10 years from Bernie

BUT NO....had to spend the money and get Randy Johnson from the lobby in Cooperstown to replace Kevin Browns big money deal and keep the affirmative action programme for surly red necks intact

2006-08-16 18:58:58
368.   Travis
365 Hey, if the Yanks can trade Dotel for another Abreu, I'd be all for it.
2006-08-16 18:59:07
369.   BklynBmr
356 I just had warm, fuzzy flashbacks to Sori and El Duque. Thanks for reminding me about Bellhorn ;-)
2006-08-16 18:59:21
370.   SF Yanks
359 I was talkin about the Yanks, of course. I trust my Proctologist to get out of it. Now it's the Yanks' turn. Duh!
2006-08-16 18:59:27
371.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
344...Giambi a bloated greasy junkie that everyone including the Yankees knew was using....Beltran a young natural talent to take over for 10 years from Bernie

BUT NO....had to spend the money and get Randy Johnson from the lobby in Cooperstown to replace Kevin Browns big money deal and keep the affirmative action programme for surly red necks intact

2006-08-16 18:59:48
372.   LI yankee
A-Rod 2 run homer here
2006-08-16 18:59:58
373.   BklynBmr
Here we go, Yan-kees. Here we go!!!
2006-08-16 19:00:30
374.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
344...Giambi a bloated greasy junkie that everyone including the Yankees knew was using....Beltran a young natural talent to take over for 10 years from Bernie

BUT NO....had to spend the money and get Randy Johnson from the lobby in Cooperstown to replace Kevin Browns big money deal and keep the affirmative action programme for surly red necks intact

2006-08-16 19:00:37
375.   LI yankee
good enough
2006-08-16 19:00:40
376.   Travis
Tigers go 1-2-3. Sox win.
2006-08-16 19:00:50
377.   pistolpete
366 Damn it A-Rod, you were supposed to ground into a double play and have Cano hit one out to make my prediction come true!
2006-08-16 19:00:50
378.   mehmattski
[Wacky Dance]
2006-08-16 19:01:10
379.   seamus
374 stop that!
2006-08-16 19:01:22
380.   monkeypants
364 Did many pitchers have as weird a career trajectory as Hough? 25 years in the league, but only about 200 wins. He only became a starter around age 30. Good times.
2006-08-16 19:01:32
381.   Travis
Torre really doesn't trust Bernie, or Cano would have been bunting there.
2006-08-16 19:01:51
382.   Zack
378 Now don't get too excited too soon, save those [Wacky Dance]s for really special moments
2006-08-16 19:02:17
383.   randym77
Where's Conine when you need him?
2006-08-16 19:02:33
384.   Zack
Come on Bernie!
2006-08-16 19:03:05
385.   pistolpete
381 Seems like Bernie's in some sort of groove tonight, though - maybe he needs only play once every 2 weeks. ;-)
2006-08-16 19:03:40
386.   pistolpete
BALK!!! (hehehe)
2006-08-16 19:04:21
387.   Travis
Awful.
2006-08-16 19:04:29
388.   pistolpete
[Sucky Dance]
2006-08-16 19:04:30
389.   Eirias
Brutal
2006-08-16 19:04:46
390.   mehmattski
And its the Orioles with a Lidle luck there....
2006-08-16 19:05:31
391.   monkeypants
Well, add that to this year's long list of aborted rallies.
2006-08-16 19:05:34
392.   yankz
Well that sucked.
2006-08-16 19:05:35
393.   C2Coke
381 Guess you were right. But seriously, we all love Bernie yet do we trust him?
2006-08-16 19:07:28
394.   pistolpete
Can't fault Bernie too much on that one - he scorched it.

Had it been a weak ground ball, I would have been just as disgusted as the rest of you...

2006-08-16 19:08:13
395.   yankz
Randy Johnson is from California. I didn't know Californians were considered hicks now.
2006-08-16 19:08:23
396.   weeping for brunnhilde
So what do we all think of Dotel?

He looked pretty good to me. His slider is vicious and his velocity high.

Anyone know what his history of control is?

And why did Joe bring him in at all if he wasn't prepared to forfeit the game?

He brought him in and then yanked him when he got into trouble.

But it was too late then.

Joed relied on Proctor to bail the team out of a situation they shouldn't have been in in the first place.

Doesn't make sense.

2006-08-16 19:08:26
397.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
if we used up our pen and do not win tonight that is going to suck...still have tomorrow for Torre to ensure that everyone is shot heading into Fenway
2006-08-16 19:09:58
398.   Travis
393 394 I'm not mad at Bernie. I was just surprised that Torre didn't have Cano bunt, especially given the bunt-fests the last week, and Torre not trusting Bernie to get the run home was the only reason I could think of.
2006-08-16 19:10:34
399.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
if we used up our pen and do not win tonight that is going to suck...still have tomorrow for Torre to ensure that everyone is shot heading into Fenway
2006-08-16 19:10:57
400.   mehmattski
You know, I find it interesting that the No Mass site started keeping track of "Torre Losses," in which a Yanks' loss was clearly due to a manager's decision. Despite 46 losses on the season, only 3 have beeen classified this way, and none since April. Perhaps there are some blogs that are too hard on the Yankees manager....
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2006-08-16 19:12:58
401.   BklynBmr
374 "Affirmative action"? "Surley rednecks"?
2006-08-16 19:13:01
402.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
395...California has it's share...lots of farms and wide areas of nothing
2006-08-16 19:13:17
403.   Bama Yankee
400 Agree 100%
2006-08-16 19:13:23
404.   LI yankee
What if we tie up the game? Who do we use in extras? Ponson seems to be our only option, unless Joe is willing to use Mo again...
2006-08-16 19:14:29
405.   Schteeve
400 Ya think??!!
2006-08-16 19:14:38
406.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
401...Kevin Brown and Randy Johnson are both formerly hard throwing, surly generally unpleasant types...
2006-08-16 19:14:52
407.   mehmattski
404 The Yanks' roster to the right in the sidebar, under Relief Pitchers, has this guy "M. Myers (L)." I think its a myth.
2006-08-16 19:14:53
408.   Travis
400 Isn't that usually the way it goes? Torre tries to use other pitchers other than Rivera in crucial situations early in the season (e.g., Proctor in Oakland), realizes it doesn't work, and then uses Rivera whenever necessary.
2006-08-16 19:15:49
409.   randym77
Abreu looked pretty cranky there.
2006-08-16 19:16:05
410.   BklynBmr
400 A 'Torre Wins' element would be nice. But I guess good news does not sell, even in the blogosphere...
2006-08-16 19:16:44
411.   Schteeve
KYF your Redneck comment and your "greasy Giambi" (why cause he's Italian?) comment are pretty annoying, especially when we have to see them double and triple posted. b
2006-08-16 19:17:00
412.   monkeypants
This is one weird game.
2006-08-16 19:17:09
413.   Bama Yankee
401 & 406 Do "Surley rednecks" really need "Affirmative action"?
2006-08-16 19:17:11
414.   LI yankee
407 Yeah, even if he goes in though it's usually for just one batter. I honestly think his sole purpose on this team is to get one man (Ortiz) out.
2006-08-16 19:17:14
415.   C2Coke
404 Now let's try and be optimistic here, with our guy Melky batting 3rd in the next inning, hopefully we won't come to that situation.
2006-08-16 19:17:47
416.   mehmattski
WTF was that?!? Did he think Bernie made the catch??? That's two absolutely inexusible plays for the Orioles (no one covering second on Damon's SB)... they MUST pay for this....
2006-08-16 19:17:58
417.   Schteeve
Not to mention that without greasy Giambi we're probably in a dogfight for third right now.
2006-08-16 19:18:01
418.   C2Coke
Like I said, our guy Melky.
2006-08-16 19:18:08
419.   pistolpete
WOW, Melky - I was just about to comment that this inning was going on way too long.

And since when does a catcher tag up to go to second base on a fly ball to left in a ONE RUN GAME?

That's some pretty stupid base running - sheesh!

2006-08-16 19:19:17
420.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
411...I am Italian and orginally from the Bronx....we don't need to get the ACLU or Al Sharpton involved do we ?
2006-08-16 19:19:45
421.   C2Coke
417 For third? You lost me.
2006-08-16 19:20:10
422.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
417...if not for Giambi's pharmacist
2006-08-16 19:22:47
423.   randym77
I don't get it, man. That was just plain idiotic base-running.

Almost as bad as Giambi running through the stop sign the other day.

414 I think you're right. Myers is supposed to be the Ortiz-killer.

But given how often our starters struggle to go five innings, I'm not sure it's worth it. Carrying 13 pitchers would be just ridiculous, but I'm half-expecting them to do it, if only for this weekend.

2006-08-16 19:22:47
424.   pistolpete
421 The guy's got 34 HR's and 93 RBI - not quite Ortiz numbers, but a lot better than our own A-Rod...
2006-08-16 19:23:12
425.   mehmattski
422 That's pretty uncalled for. While most of us here would probably allow that Giambi did indeed take anabolic steroids prior to the 2005 season, he almost certainly has been tested since then. In my mind, his play since then has been clean. If you are a Yankee fan, you should root for him because he is a Yankee, regardless of your speculation. If you're not a Yankee fan, realize that your criticism will be attacked with ferocity.
2006-08-16 19:23:50
426.   Schteeve
420 Oh yeah? We'll I'm SICILIAN and originally from Bensonhurst! So there.
2006-08-16 19:24:15
427.   BklynBmr
425 Well said...
2006-08-16 19:24:43
428.   Bama Yankee
425 Amen.
2006-08-16 19:24:46
429.   Schteeve
Ok that's a lie, I'm Irish and I'm from Bay Ridge.
2006-08-16 19:24:52
430.   pistolpete
Let's go MEL-KEE.
2006-08-16 19:24:55
431.   randym77
Nick Green as a pinch-runner? Oy.
2006-08-16 19:25:53
432.   Travis
Terrible call. Let's see if the Yankees can take advantage.
2006-08-16 19:26:02
433.   rsmith51
He was out.
2006-08-16 19:26:16
434.   claybeez
Great job by Green getting that hand up.
2006-08-16 19:26:21
435.   C2Coke
424 I get the Giambi part, but fighting for what at third?

Awesome Green steal.

2006-08-16 19:26:27
436.   pistolpete
Wow we got a break there.
2006-08-16 19:26:40
437.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
422...probably allow that he was on steriods ? the guy almost died the next season...

my guess is that you think Bonds is a dirtbag and a cheat ?

You can be a Yankee fan for life like myself and not care for certain Yankees like Gooden, Strawberry, Steve Howe, etc...

It is just a matter of calling a spade a spade and not overdosing on YES commentary

2006-08-16 19:26:57
438.   randym77
Melky was out.

We can't say we aren't getting our share of the breaks tonight.

Nice take out slide by Nick. He may not be fast, but he's fearless.

2006-08-16 19:27:18
439.   C2Coke
435 Sorry not steal. 436 But it did look safe for Melky by a hair.
2006-08-16 19:27:22
440.   pistolpete
435 The general point is that his production has led to a lot more wins than if we were simply relying on #13.
2006-08-16 19:29:04
441.   pistolpete
437 So which broadcast would you have us watch/listen to that details players' steroid use?
2006-08-16 19:29:22
442.   BklynBmr
I hate Liza...
2006-08-16 19:29:27
443.   Travis
Damn. I was hoping for revenge for the Matsui "strikeout," but it didn't happen.
2006-08-16 19:29:44
444.   randym77
I don't believe it. I thought for sure we'd get those runs back against their bullpen.
2006-08-16 19:29:52
445.   SF Yanks
Embarassing
2006-08-16 19:30:13
446.   Schteeve
I hate Johnny Damon for not taking steroids. If he was juicing that ball would have gone THROUGH the second baseman. I'm allowed to think that and not overdose on everyone who says steroids are bad.
2006-08-16 19:30:33
447.   C2Coke
This weekend is gonna be so..............long.
2006-08-16 19:32:21
448.   BklynBmr
444 I'd be 'left arm-less' right now if I made a bet in the 5th inning. They were flat at the plate all night...
2006-08-16 19:32:41
449.   mehmattski
437 Actually my thoughts on steroids are a bit anti-mainstream. I think only those products that have been identified as harmful, long-term, should be banned. I don't consider things like creatine to be cheating any more than I consider a vitamin enriched diet and working out cheating. However, if the rules say something is cheating, I have to go along with that. Creatine was legal in 1998, so people taking it were not cheating; it is illegal in 2006, so people taking it now are cheating.

I didn't like Straw, Gooden, or Howe as people either, but I still rooted for them as Yankees. Straw's 3 homer game and Doc's no hitter are some of my favorite Yankee memories.

Those are my thoughts, and you have the right to express yours. Just realize you are in the minority on your Giambi feelings, at least here.

2006-08-16 19:32:43
450.   C2Coke
Any chance it would look believable if Proctor put ketcup on his right arm this weekend??
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2006-08-16 19:33:26
451.   pistolpete
Damn it, another victory for the URPs!
2006-08-16 19:33:55
452.   Schteeve
Oh by the way, in case some of you are in the same boat I am this weekend, and will not be near a T.V. set you can get game scores as follows:

Send a text message that says "Yankees" to 466-45 (googl)

Within a few seconds Google will text you back the score. The service is free and it's pretty frickin neat.

2006-08-16 19:34:51
453.   randym77
Creatine is illegal??? I didn't know that.
2006-08-16 19:35:33
454.   pistolpete
452 OTOH, I will have full access to a TV and/or radio, and I feel compelled to take advantage of neither.
2006-08-16 19:36:01
455.   Max
Since we swept Toronto after Cashman's great trade deadline coup, we are playing .500 ball. Win 2 of 3 vs the Birds in ugly fashion. Lose 2 of 3 against the WS in ugly fashion. W-L-W-L against the Angels. W-L vs the Birds.

We're still 3 games up in the loss column against the RS because they've been even worse. Our pitching seems OK to very good (with the occasional hiccup), but the offense has been supremely frustrating.

2006-08-16 19:36:47
456.   Bama Yankee
449 Well said, mehmattski

437 KYF, you've made some great posts tonight, can't we let it go now about Giambi and steroids?

2006-08-16 19:37:06
457.   Max
455 Sorry, that should have been L-W-L-W against the Halos. But you get the idea.
2006-08-16 19:39:58
458.   mehmattski
453 I meant Andro. They're similar, but McGwire took Andro in 98, and it is now banned. Substitute that in my post 449. Sorry.
2006-08-16 19:42:09
459.   LI yankee
456 How about Ortiz and steroids? ;-)
2006-08-16 19:46:29
460.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
449..I respect your opinion and my issue with Giambi had more to do with lawyers telling him to have a press conference and apologise for nothing....they guy never owned up to it...that fast food diet excuse was bascially telling people that he thought they were idiots..

By all accounts he is a likeable and fun loving guy...

All that said...that contract in 2009 is going to be like Kevin Brown or Randy next year....large money for not much

2006-08-16 19:48:16
461.   mehmattski
460 Now that contract we agree on... hopefully they'll take the $5 million buyout. But next year could be a downhill slide, and 2008 will almost certainly not be worth it. I hope Eric Duncan starts making strides.
2006-08-16 19:51:01
462.   marc
to get away from some of the juice talk, this was a good game and we would have won if so many hard shots toward the end didn't end up right in someone's glove Lidle was OK considering his role, Dotel had a great inning's work. No runs and got back in the swing and can be very valuable in at least protecting the big guys in the bullpen.
2006-08-16 20:06:27
463.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
the issue is going to be 5 inning Wright throws tomorrow..so that burnt toast you smell is our bullpen
2006-08-16 22:55:27
464.   Zack
Hey, on the bright side, it ended up being a good start by Lidle; I'll take 3 runs in 6 innings...
2006-08-17 02:39:27
465.   searay
I guess Bernie's defense in CF cost the Yanks another one. Geesh. Stupid Torre.
2006-08-17 04:39:09
466.   randym77
I'd call Bernie a wash in this one. They were running on him without even looking up, but he did score a run.

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