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2006-07-31 13:34

by Alex Belth

The Yanks have sent Shawn Chacon to the Pirates for 1B/OF Craig Wilson. Good job, Cash. Very nice get. According to Peter Abraham, Aaron Guiel has been optioned, Corey Lidle will start Thursday and Bonzone will go to the pen. My guess is that Bubba Crosby will be next to go, as the Yankees like Andy Phillips' ability to play second and third.

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2006-07-31 14:07:24

1. randym77

Why not send Green down? How many backup infielders do we need, with Cano coming back soon?

I don't like the idea of Bernie as our only backup CFer.

2006-07-31 14:20:05

2. YankeeInMichigan

Not that anyone really cares, but with Casey and Wilson gone, who plays 1st in Pittsburgh?

2006-07-31 14:20:30

3. monkeypants

Wow, what a steal! If I am correct, Wilson was also the back-up or emergency C for the Pirates. If so, then then the Yankees have mutiple options when Fasano plays (like DHing Posada, or being able to PH more flexibly).

Bernie as back-up CF is not that good, though it was part of his original role this year, sort of. If you keep Bubba as a pure defensive player, then all the other dead wood has to go (perhaps including Cairo). Now I can't believe I am going to say this, but maybe better to keep Cairo than Bubba. Then, make Melky the CF on days when Damon does not play. (Can Thompson play any CF? If so, then swap Bubba for Thompson)?

Too bad Guiel gets axe--it's not really fair. Maybe keep Guiel over Andy? Or, make the radical decision to go to 11 man staff (gasp!).

2006-07-31 14:21:12

4. BklynBmr

1 Thanks for the heads up on the thread...

Cashman has really rocked on these moves. Major kudos to him.

Don't know the depth of what the Sawx tried to accomplish, but heard it stated they feel they have enough to win as is. Objectively speaking, it's hard to say the Yanks moves did not tilt the odds a bit.

2006-07-31 14:22:42

5. Simone

Poor Bubba. He and Phillips are just awful though. I don't want them on my team.

2006-07-31 14:23:38

6. Ron Burgundy

We need to go back to 11 Pitchers. What the hell is the point of having 12 pitchers if one or two of them won't ever get used and one or two of them are completely useless?!
My Brain Will Explode if this continues!
I hate the fact that Joe has so much control over the roster.

2006-07-31 14:24:21

7. randym77

From what I've heard, Thompson isn't very good in CF, though he has played there.

Does Nick Green still have minor league options?

Guiel does have minor league options still. I bet he'll be back when the rosters expand in September.

2006-07-31 14:24:53

8. MVB

The only thing I didn't like about this trade is that Crosby wasn't sent to Pittsburgh along with Chacon.

The Yankee management love Crosby ( for some unknown reason) and will probably keep him around to nbother us.

2006-07-31 14:26:03

9. Ron Burgundy

4 They have enough to win? Their CF has an OPS lower than Bernie's, their SS is crap, and with Nixon out, they have Willy Mo and Krapler as their RFers. And other than Papelbitch and Timlin, their bullpen is horrible, worse than ours. And their pitching staff is not that great. Shelling's ERA is closing in on 4 and Beckett is just plain bad.

2006-07-31 14:26:52

10. Bama Yankee

Anyone think that Cashman's ability to get a good deal for Abreu caused other GM's to think they could get the same kind of deal for Soriano and thus dropping his value to the point that a deal could not be reached?

2006-07-31 14:28:03

11. JohnnyC

4 That'll change quickly if Wells pitches like crap tonight...and at his age, with his physical problems, it doesn't look good.

2006-07-31 14:28:30

12. monkeypants

Too bad Guiel gets axe--it's not really fair. Maybe keep Guiel over Andy? Or, make the radical decision to go to 11 man staff (gasp!).

2006-07-31 14:28:49

13. RichYF

We need a guy like Crosby on the team for PR/LIDR purposes. Who fills that role now? It seems like Bernie is the real drag here considering his defense is awful and he's only useful vs LHP. Oh well. Honestly, should what Bernie does in the OF be referred to as "playing?"

2006-07-31 14:29:15

14. Ron Burgundy

11 But according to ESPN, he's still a big-game pitcher who will lead them to the playoffs.

2006-07-31 14:29:23

15. monkeypants

3, 12 Whoa--sorry for the double-post. What happened there?

2006-07-31 14:30:57

16. YankeeInMichigan

Defense counts for something, especially in center field, where chasing down a fly ball in the gap saves an extra-base hit. Bubba should stay around at least until Matsui returns. Then Melky can become the at-large backup outfielder.

2006-07-31 14:31:23

17. JohnnyC

10 Bowden probably completely over-played his hand and ended up getting his bluff called. This is just stupid on his part. And, to compound matters, the time spent on trying to make a killing in a Soriano deal left other tradeable pieces on the board: Livan Hernandez, Tony Armas, Jr., Ryan Church...

2006-07-31 14:34:13

18. YankeeInMichigan

14 I love the spin the media can put on these things. mlb.com reports that, with Wells and Perez gone, Chacon "will step in as the veteran member of the Pirate's rotation."

2006-07-31 14:34:56

19. tommyl

13 Bernie still has use as a PH, which was supposed to be his role all along. Bring him in against lefties and he could produce some big hits. He just has no business starting in the OF, but we all knew that already. Will be interesting to see how long Joe sticks with this after Melky has an 0-5 night or something.

2006-07-31 14:37:48

20. randym77

6 That's an idea. They should consider sending Beam back to Columbus, at least until the rosters expand. He's a nice kid. I like him. He's got great stuff. But he's not ready for prime time, and now is not the time to learn. I can't imagine a situation where I'd be comfortable putting him in.

2006-07-31 14:37:59

21. seamus

Here is the blow: If Cleveland can defeat Wells and co. tonight, think about the psychological impact on Sox country! Yankees make all of the big moves and claim a first place lead (by percentage points) of the AL East with a Boston loss tonight. I shouldn't get my hopes up but that could be huge!

2006-07-31 14:39:56

22. Stormer Sports

I love the deal. Anything that reduces Andy Phillip's plate appearances in great in my book.

2006-07-31 14:39:59

23. YankeeInMichigan

9 But remember, Boomer's back :-)

2006-07-31 14:41:35

24. tommyl

23 And I can't wait to see Haffner launch one into orbit off a hanging curve because Wells' back/gout/gut/knee got in the way.

2006-07-31 14:42:54

25. Stormer Sports

I like Cleveland's chances. Wells throws strikes and Cleveland can score runs with the best of 'em. Go Tribe!

2006-07-31 14:54:59

26. Ron Burgundy

What would you guys think of this roster (with Cano)?

[11 Pitchers, because we DON'T need 12.]
1. SP - Randy Johnson
2. SP - Mike Mussina
3. SP - Chien-Ming Wang
4. SP - Jaret Wright
5. SP - Cory Lidle
6. RP - T.J. Beam (He will be the mop-up man/blow out pitcher)
7. RP - Kyle Farnsworth
8. RP - Mariano Rivera
9. RP - Scott Proctor
10. RP - Mike Myers
11. RP - Ron Villone
12. C - Jorge Posada
13. C - Sal Fasano
14. 1B/OF/DH - Craig Wilson
15. 2B - Robinson Cano
16. IF/OF - Miguel Cairo
17. SS - Derek Jeter
18. 3B - Álex Rodríguez
19. 1B/DH - Jason Giambi
20. 1B/OF/DH - Aaron Guiel or Andy Phillips
21. OF - Bernie Williams
22. OF - Kevin Thompson or Aaron Guiel
23. OF - Melky Cabrera
24. OF - Bobby Abreu
25. OF - Johnny Damon

2006-07-31 14:59:22

27. monkeypants

26 And don't forget that C. Wilson got into 19 games as C in his career. Jim Leyritz-Lite?

2006-07-31 15:01:45

28. Ron Burgundy

27 That could be useful. But Joe would never go with less than 12 pitchers and would ever stand for a roster without Bubba or a roster with Thompson in it.

2006-07-31 15:08:49

29. seamus

Thompson is simply an unncessary at this point (as is Crosby). With Wilson we now have 5 OFers. When Cano comes up, I expect that Green will go back to Coolumbus. Someone still needs to go for Wilson and that should be Crosby.

We can carry 12 pitchers this way if we want, and we may need to to deal with Wrights starts.

2006-07-31 15:10:22

30. randym77

I think Bubba is a better fit now than Thompson, anyway. He can play CF, unlike Wilson, Abreu, Thompson, and Guiel. We have lots of offense with Abreu and Wilson and maybe SheffSui soon. What we need is defense. And Bernie Williams ain't it.

2006-07-31 15:24:00

31. Ron Burgundy

29 Fair. Then on my roster, replace OF - Kevin Thompson or Aaron Guiel straight up with Guiel and 1B/OF/DH - Aaron Guiel or Andy Phillips with a pitcher.

2006-07-31 15:30:34

32. YankeeInMichigan

From August 8-27, the Yankees play 21 games in 20 days, so they may need 12 pitchers. Then again, they can start with 11 and option one of their optionable position players (Crosby, Guiel) when the staff runs thin. Unfortunately, the most expendable position players at this point are Phillips, Williams and Cairo, and they are all out of options. Perhaps they can create an "injury."

2006-07-31 15:34:08

33. randym77

Wilson should probably be considered a first baseman more than an OFer these days. He's really much better at first base. Good hands.

He hasn't been playing the OF much lately. His range isn't great, and his arm is weak.

Does Andy have any options left? I have a feeling he could be next on the chopping block once Cano comes back.

2006-07-31 15:36:17

34. randym77

32 Guiel is already in Columbus. He was sent down to make room for Abreu.

Bubba is not optionable.

I think Andy is out of options as well.

Nick Green may still be optionable.

2006-07-31 15:36:21

35. seamus

32 I don't think that really works. If you are going to use a pitcher during that stretch you want him working with the big club's pitching and pen coaches for as long as possible. At least, I think that would be the case.

2006-07-31 15:37:18

36. markp

Bubba Crosby is not a good defensive CF. His RF are below average, and watching him play confirms the numbers. Unfortunately, there's no one in the system who can play CF even at his level.

I think Wilson replaces Phillips at 1B (as has been said), while being available for other roles when needed.

2006-07-31 15:41:24

37. SF Yanks

I'll be afrid to see what happens if the Yanks lose tomorrow night. I bet the attitude shifts dramatically on the BB.

2006-07-31 15:44:14

38. Ron Burgundy

37 Possible. BUT, if the Sawx lose tonight and tommorrow and we win tommorrow, we have a 1 Game lead and at least some relief for at least a day. A lot of ifs, but you never know.

2006-07-31 15:45:53

39. Sliced Bread

Oh my. Just read the news re: Wilson.

Sing it with me:

We wish you a merry, Cashman, we wish you a merry, Cashman, we wish you a merry, Cashman, and a happy new team!

Season's beatings, Red Sox! Christmas in July! God bless us, everyone!

2006-07-31 15:47:01

40. Ron Burgundy

39 Easy there. Let's first beat the Sawx. Here's to hoping we rape them in Fenway in August.

2006-07-31 15:47:05

41. Sliced Bread

Wilson rakes southpaws. Thank you very much.

2006-07-31 15:47:13

42. markp

I can't imagine anyone who's been watching baseball for more than a year or two would have much of an attitude change with one (or evem more) loss.

2006-07-31 15:50:31

43. Bob Timmermann

For the morbidly curious, I believe the first baseman in Pittsburgh now will either be Xavier Nady or Joe Randa.

2006-07-31 15:50:39

44. Ron Burgundy

Sawx pitching Wells VS. the Indians. If the Indians don't blow out the Sawx tonight, they are complete joke of a baseball team.

2006-07-31 15:56:29

45. SF Yanks

42 I agree, but this board, including myself, tend to steer one direction when they're winning and another when they're losing. I know a lot of it is just the "frustration" speaking but it's still interesting to note.

2006-07-31 16:04:38

46. rbj

18 Chacon will be a valuable veteran for the Pittsburgh pitchers. Every time he pitches, the pitching coach can point at him and tell the other guys "you see that, don't do it."

(Sorry Shawn, enjoyed your ride last year, but you've turned back into the pumpkin.)

2006-07-31 16:07:34

47. seamus

45 live by the moment, die by the moment! :)

2006-07-31 16:11:04

48. Ron Burgundy

Sawx - Indians under way...

2006-07-31 16:12:53

49. Ron Burgundy

Oh, screw you Sizemore.

2006-07-31 16:13:17

50. Sliced Bread

40 "Easy there. Let's first beat the Sawx."

You are a wise man, Mr. Burgundy, the wisest of all anchorman. Patience, as you have taught us, is a virtue. And if patience fails, stick it to 'em!

Sing it with me now:

Jingle bells, Theo smells, Cashman all the way! Oh what fun it is to ride..

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2006-07-31 16:14:03

51. BklynBmr

46 Cold... but hilarious!

Best of luck to him and thanks for the great job in '05... I'll just remember that Chacon and leave it there ;-)

2006-07-31 16:14:53

52. Ron Burgundy

Generally, when a washed up, obese, and injured pitcher throws you a pitch on a 3-1 count, you hammer it. The Indians don't know about this principle.

2006-07-31 16:15:11

53. BklynBmr

Wells looks like he's down to about 450 pounds...

2006-07-31 16:15:54

54. Ron Burgundy

He's throwing softballs and they're making easy outs. WEAK.

2006-07-31 16:17:07

55. BklynBmr

Why the first three Indians did not bunt and make Tubby pull something waddling off the mound is beyond me...

2006-07-31 16:18:48

56. Ron Burgundy

55 Because once he rolls off the mound, there's no telling in which direction he's gonna roll. You wonna risk that whale rolling straight at you?

2006-07-31 16:19:39

57. SF Yanks

55 Tubby huh? I like it.

2006-07-31 16:20:12

58. Ron Burgundy

55 What about Whale?

2006-07-31 16:20:16

59. Ron Burgundy

55 What about Whale?

2006-07-31 16:21:59

60. SF Yanks

56 Easy now... he was a member of our team remember? Ah forget it... drill into the sea donkey.

2006-07-31 16:23:50

61. BklynBmr

56 Good point...

2006-07-31 16:25:08

62. Ron Burgundy

Indians suck.

2006-07-31 16:26:00

63. Stormer Sports

Manny goes deep. 2-0 Sox. No excuse to give up that HR with 2 out.

2006-07-31 16:27:50

64. rbj

51 Thanks.
I'll remember Boomer fondly for what he did for the Yankees -- I just hope he loses everytime he's in a Red Sox uni.

2006-07-31 16:28:44

65. Stormer Sports

The key to the Yanks success will be tiring starters by working counts. We have no choice. We don't have a hitter as good as Ortiz, and we don't have a hitter as good as Manny.

2006-07-31 16:29:25

66. yankeemonkey

Is Manny still standing there admiring his moonshot? Why no one ever gives him any chin music I don't know. All this "Manny being Manny" BS is...well, BS.

2006-07-31 16:31:10

67. rbj

Oh my god, Manny actually put work in this afternoon. He must truly be a god.

/sarcasm

2006-07-31 16:31:55

68. Stormer Sports

Just one more reason we need to pick Sheff up. We need a hitter that strikes the fear of God in opposing pitchers, and without Sheff, we don't have that.

2006-07-31 16:33:11

69. Ron Burgundy

Indians really suck.

2006-07-31 16:35:28

70. Ron Burgundy

Thank you Casey Blake. Finally.

2006-07-31 16:36:33

71. Stormer Sports

Looks like Wells is dealing.

I cannot believe Sox Nation is blaming the Yankees and their money for the Abreu deal. Are you kidding me? The Red Sox don't have 4 minor leaguers better than the ones we gave up, give me a freaking break. Don't blame the Yankees because your GM can't ever pull the trigger. With Manny and Ortiz sitting in the middle of that lineup, if I'm a Sox fan, I still like my chances.

Go Casey Blake! Hit another one off Boomer's kneecap!

2006-07-31 16:37:51

72. Stormer Sports

Pitch count pitch count pitch count. Work it baby!

2006-07-31 16:38:30

73. Ron Burgundy

Oh God, the Indians traded the Manny look-alike for Hector Luna.

2006-07-31 16:39:23

74. Stormer Sports

Luna Eclipse!

2006-07-31 16:40:15

75. BklynBmr

74 Almost a moon shot!

2006-07-31 16:40:19

76. Ron Burgundy

My Hope: Those two ex-Sawx prospects hit HRs here. (OK, Marte was from the Braves, but still)

2006-07-31 16:42:30

77. Ron Burgundy

That'll do for now, I guess.

2006-07-31 16:42:49

78. rbj

Ah good. I get the Indians channel. No more Rick Sutcliffe.

2006-07-31 16:42:53

79. Stormer Sports

I just hope Abreu and Wilson don't screw with the chemistry the Yanks have right now.

Lay in right in there Boomer.

Sutcliffe must be drunk, he thinks Abreu will lighten the load on Rodriguez.

Beat on the Boomer, Beat on the Boomer, Beat on the Boomer with a baseball bat. Oh Yea, Oh Yea!

2006-07-31 16:43:02

80. seamus

77 well, if we have to put up with doubles I guess I'll go along...

2006-07-31 16:43:22

81. Ron Burgundy

If the Indians score 10 or 11 more runs, I'll have just a bit of confidence in them winning this, and even then I'll be in doubt.

2006-07-31 16:44:59

82. Ron Burgundy

79 First of all, I hate him for even bringing up A-Rod in this other th