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A Melky for Jacque Jones trade?
I thought Ca$hmoney was in total control? What's up with this crony of George stuff?
Nothing to see here. Move along.
I imagine that this is someone testing the extent of Cashman's power in "crunch" time, with complicity from the usual media underbelly. We'll see; if Cashman wins this back-door power struggle, it bodes well for the rest of the season. If not... well, it will take a lot to live down to James Dolan, so pbbbbt!
'Was told about?'. Jacque Jones has been in the majors for 7 yrs. and played twice in the playoffs against the Yankees. Those cronies don't miss much, including players with 1040 games in the bigs. It's like 'discovering' Scott Erickson. Or thinking Madonna is singing about chastity in 'Like a Virgin'.
not only does it sound speculative.. it soudns baseless..
i donno whether its a way to stoke the front office into a conversation..
i promise u this much.. if Steinbrenner as much as tries to think abt getting back into these baseball decisions..
Mr Cashman is gone..
this is smoke.. coming out of some serious pot..
And since this appears to be a "George thing," better brace for the possibility, or at least consider the possibilities.
Scanning the career numbers put up by the 31 year old left hitting/left throwing right fielder, it appears he could help the Yanks down the stretch.
Consider his career numbers against the current top AL teams (he's only 1/2 season removed from the AL):
Toronto: 46 games, .349 avg. (.366 at Rogers Centre)
Boston: 45 games, .300 avg. (.316 at Fenway)
White Sox: 100 games, .292 avg. 48 RBI
Cleveland: 102 games, .316 avg. 49 RBI
Detroit: 110 games, .261 avg., but 61 RBI (his best against any team)
Oakland: 55 games, .309 avg.
The Yanks have 8 games remaining against Boston this season (Aug. and Sept.) and 13 more games against Toronto, including the final 3 games of the season.
Jones owns Halladay: 8 for 21 .381 avg.
and can hit BJ Ryan: 3 for 9 .333 avg.
He can't hit Wakefield, but who on the Yanks can? 1 for 15 .067 avg.
Can't hit Schilling either: 0 for 5 with 3 Ks, BUT, he can hit Papelbon: .500! 1 for 2 and that 1 hit is a home run.
If he doesn't cost the Yanks much in the way of prospects he's worth considering, no?
besides.. hes been so poor.. the Wrigley faithful are booing..
u have to stink like trekker or worse to get that treatment
OPS vs righty/lefty over the past 3 seasons: .807/.658
Yeah he'll be friggin great for us. Hey why don't we offer to take Juan Pierre off Dusty's hands too while we're at it.
He can't hit lefties, he doesn't get on base enough, and BP's numbers at least have him as a very pedestrian RF. Pass.
he cant hit lefties: .200 and takes lesser number of walks
his OBP is lesser than Melky Cabrera.. even factoring in Cabrera's mini-slump
u dont need another player with similar or exact numbers to melky.. Melky as recent as 15 days back was at .300 BA
if u are going to upgrade a position then "UPGRADE" it dont "REPLACE" a 22 yo with a 30 year old @ 4mill per for 3 years..
(Just wanted to bring the KRS thing full circle.)
Seriously though, if you're Jeter, at what point do you drop the nice guy act and head out to the bump with your Louisville Slugger and say "This Agression Will Not Stand!"
I did a quick check from a batting point of view over at BBresearch. What I found really didn't surprise me. We already have Jacque Jones in the system, only we call him Terrance Long. Jones's numbers are on top.
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
976 3492 492 974 189 15 132 476 67 40 231 737 .279 .327 .455 1589 13 19 25 28 81
878 3032 422 818 165 21 69 374 27 15 223 452 .270 .319 .406 1232 0 23 23 7 90
29 Mr. Gee, I've read you in this blog before I joined on the "Tug At The Heartstrings" thread. I like your spirited input a whole lot, and if this the end, I'm sure I speak for quite a few that say you will be missed. We often have family we don't get along with, but how much is those disagreements worth when family is gone? Please don't take this as preaching, lecturing or naive. As you may appreciate, I'm just saying what I feel. I don't know what else to say; but hopefully I can think of something decent.
Actually, check out the latest Fairpole post by Ken Arneson, I think it is in reference to the mysteriously missing Rob Gee.
32 man, I didn't realize they were pretty much the same guy. My impression of J. Jones is that he's much better than T-Long. your comparison and half a ham sandwich and cold cup o'joe line has me thinking otherwise.
still, George has demanded sillier moves. Let's hope Melky (and maybe some good news re: Matsui) can surpress his jones for J. Jones.
In the meantime, MFD your 32 was a fantastic post. I would have never thought Jones = Long with a bit more power. In 460 more ABs than Long, Jones did manage 64 more homers - but also struck out 285 more times and walked only 8 more times!
OK Alex, mission accomplished 16, I'm both scared and riled up.
I guess it was deleted because it referenced the old post from last week, critical of Alex.
The Fairpole thread was posted on 06-18, what happened at 29 above on this thread? Does anyone know? Given some of the stuff that wanders around in here it must have been a doozy. Just wondering.
42 MFD, when you have the original why settle for an imitation? Also, there was a thread going the other day after the Sunday loss wherein the hate word was being tossed around in connection with Mr. Torre. I thought the way you handled that stuff was great I haven't had a chance to say nice job on that till now.
Who knows if he's still lurking about under an assumed name, reading up on what anyone has said; or if he's even looking at this at all? I can't speak on whatever happened to have him booted and I don't really want to know, but I give him props and keep it moving. Must have been something for Fairpole to post a thread, I'm not sure I've seen that happen.
It's nice to believe that an unpopular point of view may have driven out a poster, but my observation (without any inside knowledge) is that the lack of civility on the part of the poster in question was really the issue. It's one thing to raise a controversial point, but it's another to get defensive and berate people who decide to take the point on and raise alternate points of view. (And to continue to do so even after being warned)
I personally got tired of the snide name calling that was sprayed around...and trust me, this is coming from someone who's been pretty childish himself (especially toward Red Sox lurkers). But for the most part, I'm impressed at how people mostly avoid getting personal around here.
I hope you boys can work this stuff out, in the final balance Rob's contribution to our ongoing conversation is a positive one.
45 Read that dustup again. Two people were insulted in that thread; only one of them ever received even a half-baked apology. That's all this is about. I deleted 29 because it compounded the insults.
1) While he was often contentious, on the balance, I thought most of his input made this a better place.
2) I read 29 before it was deleted. There really wasn't anything in there that merited deletion IMHO. (Unlike the original argument that started the whole thing which had several posts that should have been deleted.) I think deleting Rob Gee's farewell post shows a very low tolerance for criticism. It was his biased opinion...but it wasn't completely out of line or unfair either. Time for an honest look in the mirror by the mysterious delete-r.
If you feel obliged to answer Ken that would be nice but I'll move on. As I've said recently I enjoy the banter and camaraderie of all my Yankee friends here. I learn a lot and have a place where I can speak my mind about something that has been an important part of my family for three generations, the New York Yankees. This is a cherished place on the net. Unfortunately for me, this is a dark day in the Toaster. Think I'll take tonight off.
I thoroughly enjoy being at the banter, but let's remember this is Ken's and Alex's and Cliff's spot, we're just guests here. And if the host asks you to cool it, then cool it.
I agree with you, though, that this is the best place I've found for intelligent discussion and debate about my favorite sports team. Censorship in such venues is inevitable, as there are a lot of people who don't care for the Yankees, and forums can get ugly. I've had a similar experience trying in basketball forums on my alma mater (Duke) and its embattled star player. That said, communication should not be censored when it is not inflammatory, and is directed at people's arguments rather than personal attacks. As someone else mentioned, this is a free site, and we should be greatful for its presence.
Also, go Yankees!
Even after all that, and the additional insults directed at me in deleted post 29, I'm still willing to restore his account, because I concede that I may have overreacted. That's why I wrote that last paragraph in the Fairpole post. Everyone makes mistakes. Responsible people take responsibility for their mistakes. All I've wanted all along is for Rob to contact me (or Cliff or Alex), so we can discuss and resolve the issue like reasonable adults. So far, that hasn't happened.
59 I've been on the receiving end of it myself here, usually at the hands of my pal Rob. I usually find it best to ignore it or let it go with a joke and move on. Feelings do tend to run high at times; it's a reflection of caring so much. I'll also say that I found that when I ignored it and stuck to the "issue" the other stuff stopped immediately.
Everyone has their own style and threshold for nonsense I'm not saying you're wrong or that I don't understand; Rob has a way of getting under peoples skin. It's just too bad because your posts are good and you have nice way of looking at things. During the Hot Stove that combination with Rob made for some good talk while the snow was flying.
Hear that, Rob? I think you should take him up on his offer. :)
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