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Everybody Wang-McClung Tonight

2006-04-26 12:18

by Cliff Corcoran

Worst. Headline. Ever.

Meanwhile, duck and cover tonight folks. The one team Chien-Ming couldn't solve last year was the D-Rays, against whom he posted a 6.94 ERA across four starts. Aside from one ugly start against the eventual NL Central Champion Cardinals that lasted a mere four innings, his work against the Rays was by far his worst aggregate performance against any single team in his rookie season. Underlining that fact, the Devil Rays were the only team other than the Cardinals to collect more than a hit per inning off of Wang. Distressingly, they were also the team he faced the most last year, as he didn't face any other single team as many as three times. Sadly, Wang's performance thus far this year doesn't suggest that his fortunes are about to change, though the B-squad line-up the Rays are running out there due to injuries to Huff, Lugo, and Cantu (day-to-day with a bruised foot) could help.

All of that said, there's something curious about Wang's four starts thus far this season. One would expect him to do poorly on turf as the groundballs he induces are more likely to speed through the infield for hits. Indeed, it would seem that's partially to blame for his struggles against the Rays last year (though he did just as poorly against them in the Bronx). But Wang's one dominant outing this year came on the Metrodome turf. That start also saw his lowest single-game groundball-flyball ratio of the year (1.75 compared to a typical 3.14 in his first two starts combined and a staggering 14.00 in his most recent outing), in combination with his highest strikeout total (eight Ks versus five total in his other three outings combined). Perhaps the solution to Wang's early-season struggles isn't getting the ball down, but actually getting away from thinking groundball all the time and making more of an effort to go for the strikeout, even if it means going high in the zone to blow one of his mid-90s heaters past a hitter.

For his part, the hard-throwing McClung has been godawful this year save for one solid, but unimpressive outing against the Royals. The Yanks feasted on him last year and he has a 14.00 ERA in nine career innings against the Bombers, all of which suggests that Wang might have some room to experiment tonight.

Bubba Crosby gets his first start of the year tonight, batting ninth and playing center in place of DH Johnny Damon. Encouragingly, Bernie continues to ride pine. For the Rays, Crawford is expected back tonight, Cantu remains questionable, and Edwin Jackson has already been send down in favor of tomorrow's starter Mark Hendrickson.

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2006-04-26 13:45:30

1. Rob Gee

I loved the headline. Go figure.

2006-04-26 13:45:40

2. bloodyank78

If Johnny D is DH, is Phillips sitting with Giambino at first?

2006-04-26 13:47:59

3. JeterChrist

Tonight is an odd night to sit Phillips and play Giambi at first, you'd think with our biggest groundball pitcher you'd want the strongest defensive infield possible.

2006-04-26 13:57:32

4. randym77

Interesting that Bubba is getting a start. Last week, Torre said he wasn't inclined to give Bubba any starts. I guess he thinks he knows what he has in Bubba, while he's still wondering with Phillips, Cairo...and Bernie?

2006-04-26 13:59:45

5. Cliff Corcoran

Yup, Giambi at first. Torre's letting the righty on the mound for the Rays, rather than the righty on the mound for the Yanks, dictate the Yankee first baseman.

2006-04-26 14:04:27

6. bloodyank78

5 Which I totally agree with. With McClung being hit hard so far why not let Jason continue his tear. That 2 out/2 RBI double last night was money.

2006-04-26 14:10:03

7. Jeteupthemiddle

6 Well, one could argue that since he is getting hit hard so far, tonight would be a good night to give him a break because odds are the rest of the lineup can readily pick up the slack. Also, it would put the better defender on first for us, and give him a good pitcher to get some hacks against....

2006-04-26 14:31:30

8. wsporter

It may be that our right hander is influencing the decision. Maybe someone can look this up but as I recall it the DRays hit a lot of line shots into the gaps off Wang last year. If that occurs again it may be that even K. Hernandez or D. Baseball playing first wouldn't make much difference in the field tonight. Maybe Mr. Torre thinks we're going to have to slug it out tonight especially with Crosby in CF. We may have a better shot at it with Giambi at 1st and Damon at DH. Crosby in CF and Andy at 1b may look like 2 big holes in a lineup that may have to score a bunch tonight. Although I think Andy's bat is starting to come around I don't blame Mr. Torre for playing it this way.

2006-04-26 15:59:41

9. Mattpat11

4 If Torre knows what he has in Bubba, why would he play him?

2006-04-26 16:12:15

10. randym77

Aw, don't pick on Bubba. He pulled his weight last year. Well, aside from a couple of unfortunate adventures in baserunning, and that collision with Sheff. And Jeter... But nothing a little seasoning won't fix.

2006-04-26 16:18:08

11. randym77

Wang started out a bit wild, but seems to be settling down.

2006-04-26 16:26:27

12. tocho

is anybody getting MLB.TV?

2006-04-26 16:28:58

13. dwight45

12 Trouble getting feed here as well. Other game I checked (Sox/Indians) is coming in OK.

2006-04-26 16:30:04

14. C2Coke

The live feed is ok now. Refresh your webpage.

2006-04-26 16:36:00

15. tocho

14 back on. thanks.

Internet is creepy sometimes, normally you tend to blame the computer but most of the time is the net that has worldwide glitches. I do not understand and probably do not want to understand how it works.

anyway, get the run back!!!

2006-04-26 16:36:44

16. Mattpat11

11 Bubba is what he is at this point No amount of seasoning will change that

2006-04-26 16:37:06

17. Mattpat11

No seriously, why wouldnt he swing the bat?

2006-04-26 16:38:44

18. rilkefan

16 - it's true that some people can't develop past where they are - see e.g. 17.

2006-04-26 16:39:54

19. tocho

Cliff, regarding your recap, if I remember correctly, Wang's start in Minn. was great because his slider was working very well. Torre and Wang said that it was a pitch that they hadn't used in a while but that it worked perfectly that start.

2006-04-26 16:41:49

20. randym77

16 I don't think anyone's expecting him to turn into a big hitter. But the mistakes he made last year were the kind caused by rust. Wandering off base and getting picked off. Lapping Giambi around the bases. Running into Sheff and into Jeter chasing balls in the outfield.

2006-04-26 16:46:13

21. tocho

Man, these Ray's announcers suck.

2006-04-26 16:46:20

22. Bill

So far we can't blame Bubba for anything. How about that throw by our Gold Glove SS?

2006-04-26 16:46:38

23. Simone

Gawd, it is like the early Bad New Bears out there tonight. What is going on with these guys?

2006-04-26 16:47:51

24. JeremyM

I'm not digging Wang right now.

2006-04-26 16:48:12

25. tocho

22 and the pitch-out SB. Then the running gaffe by TB. Great baseball tonight.

2006-04-26 16:49:47

26. Yankee Fan in Chicago

Small ball giveth and small ball taketh away.

2006-04-26 16:50:29

27. tocho

what a bizzare 1/2 inning there.

BTW did anyone watch the bosox yesterday running into two very stupid DB's? great baseball there too. Bring back the WBC!!(joke)

2006-04-26 16:51:23

28. Yankee Fan in Chicago

Damn. In Cleveland, Lee walks Loretta, who's hitting.194 vs lefties, and now has to face Papi bases loaded. Idiot. Crap.

2006-04-26 16:51:35

29. C2Coke

It's not just Wang. Somehow they all seem a little distracted out on the field right now. Wang's pitch locations are actually not that bad.
Don't know why they won't have YES live feed. They are still the better ones...

2006-04-26 16:53:12

30. JeremyM

It is time to move Giambi up, he hardly ever gets anything to hit. At least he is smart enough to take his walks.

2006-04-26 16:53:19

31. BklynBmr

Man, Jason is getting some love from the umps this year...

2006-04-26 16:53:58

32. rbj

I'm getting YES on Extree Inningses. I was thinking "don't throw home Jeter" If this lineup can't score more than two runs against Tampa they shouldn't win.

2006-04-26 16:54:12

33. tocho

28 the clutch god papi K's.

2006-04-26 16:57:43

34. dwight45

30 It's hard to figure mlbtv this year. Earlier tonight before it crapped out, they had the YES video synced with Sterling and Waldman audio. The current video feed, of course, is the Rays' (with the TV, not radio feed). Tribe/Sox game is NESN's full audio and video feed.

2006-04-26 17:09:55

35. C2Coke

I don't know mind Wang taking his time. But the longer time he takes, the more blah the Rays announcers talk about. They just go on and on and on...

2006-04-26 17:15:56

36. tocho

35 I'm on mute.

I just could not handle the way they speak about every rays player like he's the second comming of ruth or cy young.

2006-04-26 17:17:22

37. Mattpat11

20 I'm sorry, but I don't consider ANY of that "rust". Getting picked off bases, running into people (especially enormous men like Sheffield and Giambi) those are all signs of someone not paying attention to whats going on.

2006-04-26 17:18:23

38. BklynBmr

It's about time to start connecting off McClung... let's go, Damon!

2006-04-26 17:18:28

39. C2Coke

Perhaps that's why they are the "Rays'" announcers. Good idea to put it on mute.

2006-04-26 17:19:22

40. Mattpat11

Is there a reason no one can hit Seth McClung?

2006-04-26 17:20:56

41. Rob Gee

just to jinx it nice and good:

Seth McClung is no-hitting the Yanks right now.

2006-04-26 17:21:05

42. claybeez

Hilarious! It's Bubba the Clown!

2006-04-26 17:21:38

43. C2Coke

Picked off bases you said? that was pretty close...

2006-04-26 17:22:24

44. BklynBmr

41 Wow. With all these baserunners, I didn't realize McClung is throwing a NO-HITTER right now...

2006-04-26 17:23:14

45. rbj

41
McClung's throwing a no hitter, you say?

2006-04-26 17:23:44

46. Mattpat11

This team is going to send me to an early grave

2006-04-26 17:23:54

47. BklynBmr

Bust up that no-no, Alex!

2006-04-26 17:24:09

48. tocho

Are you kidding, a no-hitter! that would be rare, wouldn't it?

2006-04-26 17:24:40

49. randym77

37 I think they're mistakes anyone could make. He wandered off 2nd because he thought it was 3 outs, and it was only 2. He was heading for the dugout. Posada made a similar mistake last night.

The running into people is something that more playing time could fix, IMO. You get to know what to expect from your teammates after awhile.

2006-04-26 17:24:44

50. C2Coke

A HR now from Arod...all might be forgiven...might be...

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2006-04-26 17:25:47

51. JeremyM

SWING THE BAT!

2006-04-26 17:26:05

52. BklynBmr

How did I know that was going to happen?

2006-04-26 17:26:09

53. Mattpat11

49Posada may be the worst baserunner I've ever seen.

and is more playing time going to beat it into his head that those enormous men are not in fact, mirages?

2006-04-26 17:26:54

54. tocho

nasty curve there, really good pitch!

2006-04-26 17:26:57

55. Mattpat11

Fine him. Absolutely unacceptable. SWING THE GOD DAMNED BAT

2006-04-26 17:27:14

56. C2Coke

And of course....same old same old for the past few...days? weeks? 5Ks and counting, the Yanks are only 1 and a half way through their lineup.

2006-04-26 17:27:44

57. Mattpat11

54 Especially with A-Rod playing that rare "four strikes and your out" baseball.

2006-04-26 17:29:07

58. Mattpat11

McClung has struck out five Yankees. He started the game with 9 total. I just don't understand this team.

2006-04-26 17:29:53

59. Rob Gee

41 Glad that worked - grrrr....

Thanks for joining the fun 44 and 45 though.

At least it won't be an official no-no - McClung will Wang chung by the 6th with that pitch count (65 now).

2006-04-26 17:31:36

60. randym77

53 Luckily for Posada, he wasn't baserunning. He was catching.

But IIRC, someone else miscounted the outs, wandered off base, and got picked off last year. That other rookie, I think. Not Wang and not Cano, the blond guy.

Bubba just earned his paycheck for the day...

2006-04-26 17:31:39

61. BklynBmr

Ahhh, Bernie would have had that!

2006-04-26 17:32:13

62. Mattpat11

I know I say this everyday, but someone, please justify striking out looking to me.

I'll also never understand how people that can be so against giving away outs can be so blah on the only guaranteed way to give away an out.

2006-04-26 17:32:35

63. tocho

on the bosox game, ANOTHER, run on a PB by Bard. he's not catching the floater very well so far.

2006-04-26 17:33:05

64. Mattpat11

60Vento?

2006-04-26 17:33:52

65. Rob Gee

Is Wang finding his groove or is Tampa swinging at bad pitches? I'm listening to the game..

2006-04-26 17:34:21

66. BklynBmr

59 Rob, you should definitely try that again this inning. Y'know, where you mentioned that McClung is throwing a NO-Fn-HITTER against the New York Yankees.

2006-04-26 17:34:45

67. randym77

64 Yes, that was his name. Vento.

2006-04-26 17:35:46

68. Mattpat11

67 Should one strive to me Mike Vento?

2006-04-26 17:36:20

69. Rob Gee

66 What!? McClung is pitching a no-hitter!?

2006-04-26 17:36:39

70. BklynBmr

OK, Mats. Time to start your season!

2006-04-26 17:37:00

71. C2Coke

Giambi is getting all the exercise by...walking...Wang was good, don't know about the groove, let's wait until next inning.

2006-04-26 17:37:17

72. randym77

No, I'm just saying it's the kind of mistake you make when you're new. Or rusty. (At least, I assume that was Bernie's excuse.)

2006-04-26 17:37:54

73. rilkefan

62 - why bother when you never understand the explanation? Oh well, one more time - not swinging is not a guaranteed way to give away an out. You see, the pitch might be a ball. You apparently haven't followed many games, but it sometimes happens that a batter will be down 0-2 and work a walk. It also happens that sometimes a batter, like you not understanding how the game works, will swing at a pitch well out of the strike zone in fear of striking out looking, which is in fact nearly a guaranteed way to give away an out.

2006-04-26 17:38:19

74. Maniakes

62 If you swing at every pitch when there's two strikes on you, then pretty soon every two-strike pitch will be in the dirt. You have to take it if you think it's going to be a ball, if only to keep pitchers honest.

2006-04-26 17:38:31

75. randym77

Holy crap. I can't believe he made that catch.

2006-04-26 17:38:36

76. Mattpat11

72bernie is slightly better than posada.

2006-04-26 17:39:28

77. BklynBmr

The last time the Yanks were no-hit was against the Astros a couple years back. Before that, I think the last time anyone threw a no-hitter against the Yanks was 1948. This would be the first no-hitter in the majors this year if McClung can keep his no-hitter going.

2006-04-26 17:39:50

78. Mattpat11

72 I've very, very rarely seen someone work a walk on a pitch right down the middle. He's done it twice tonight.

2006-04-26 17:40:20

79. Mattpat11

ITS SETH MC FUCKING CLUNG, SOMEONE GET A MOTHERFUCKING HIT

2006-04-26 17:40:57

80. BklynBmr

@%@$! Everybody is just getting under this guy!

2006-04-26 17:41:12

81. randym77

"You apparently haven't followed many games, but it sometimes happens that a batter will be down 0-2 and work a walk."

I've heard tell of such things. ;-)

Bubba just did it in his last at-bat, didn't he?

2006-04-26 17:42:32

82. BklynBmr

Shit. Everyone should just stop swinging and take the walks. I'll take a 3-2 win while getting no-hit.

2006-04-26 17:43:06

83. rbj

Finally, Cano!

2006-04-26 17:43:17

84. BklynBmr

Rockin' Fn Robbie! Thank you!

2006-04-26 17:43:17

85. Mattpat11

Again, its hard to work a walk of any sort, 0-2, 1-2, 2-2. 3-2, by taking the pitch right in the strikezone.

And I know this is going to sound sacreligious, but runner on third two out, a walk isn't nearly as good as a hit.

2006-04-26 17:43:29

86. C2Coke

Cano.......Cano.......Cano.....

2006-04-26 17:43:29

87. tocho

base hit!

2006-04-26 17:43:33

88. randym77

And Robby shows 'em how it's done...

2006-04-26 17:43:39

89. Rob Gee

77 It worked! Thank you Brooklyn!

2006-04-26 17:44:16

90. rbs10025

77 It was 1958. From the AP news when the Astros did it to them, "The Yankees had gone 6,980 games -- the longest streak in major league history -- without being no-hit, since Hoyt Wilhelm's 1-0 victory for Baltimore on Sept. 20, 1958."

2006-04-26 17:44:18

91. Maniakes

Oops, looks like someone jinxed McClung's no hitter, but he still has a shutout going.

2006-04-26 17:45:25

92. Mattpat11

Its so depressing to finally break through and see Bubba stride to the plate.

2006-04-26 17:47:11

93. tocho

92 and give us a taste of his homerun swing...

2006-04-26 17:47:51

94. C2Coke

Yea, depressing is about right. Let's work on the SHUTOUT thing, Rob.

2006-04-26 17:49:55

95. BklynBmr

89 You started the "rally", but it was team effort, Rob. Something our boys need to get going with right about now!

Nice inning from Tiger right there. Now wake up them bats!!!

2006-04-26 17:50:26

96. Mattpat11

Top of the order, third time around, A-Rod's even considering swinging. This is our inning.

2006-04-26 17:50:51

97. yankz

Cano extended his streak!

2006-04-26 17:51:25

98. yankz

Wang's only allowed 3 hits. Just damn stolen bases and walks.

2006-04-26 17:51:33

99. BklynBmr

90 Thanks for the clarification, rbs. I had '48 and the White Sox stuck in my head for some reason.

2006-04-26 17:53:40

100. BklynBmr

91 Excellent point, Maniakes. McClung sure is throwing a shutout, isn't he?

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2006-04-26 17:53:48

101. randym77

Whoa. Damon just about ran over McClung.

2006-04-26 17:55:11

102. BklynBmr

Good work, Damon! OK, here we go. McClung's shutout is about to come to an end...

2006-04-26 17:58:13

103. rbj

Oh, jeez. I hope nobody jinxed the shutout, and the win.

2006-04-26 17:58:16

104. yankz

"D. Jeter lined out to deep center"

How deep? I hope Jeter crushes the ball next AB.

2006-04-26 17:58:25

105. C2Coke