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The Big O

2005-08-25 08:54

by Alex Belth

Our pal Steve Lombardi dubbed today's pitching match up "The Battle of the Vowels--Chacon v Chacin. Let us all hope that 'O' is the winner."

I wish I had an overwhelming feeling of confidence about this one but I don't. How long can Chacon keep pitching as well as he has? Can the Yankee offense beat-up on the impressive young Chacin again? These questions and more will be answered this afternoon on an absolutely gorgeous day for baseball in the Bronx.

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2005-08-25 09:45:14

1. Cliff Corcoran

Torre's got Matsui hitting 2 and Giambi 5 again. Turns out Joe does understand how the batting order works:

"Second has been a spot that we've been messing around with. [Matsui's] one of our better hitters, so we wanted to give him an extra at-bat." (MLB.com)

He also has Bernie batting 6 and in center, Jorge 7 behind the plate, Tino 8 at first, and Escalona starting at second in the nine-hole against the lefty Chacin.

I'm not complaining.

2005-08-25 09:47:32

2. bp1

Whoa! No Cano?!? When's the last time he had a rest? Surprising.

2005-08-25 09:53:25

3. Cliff Corcoran

May 29 vs. Boston. Rey Sanchez started at 2B.

2005-08-25 10:14:51

4. jedi

One of the best lineups I've seen this year. Everyone is utilized correctly. Matsui at second will pay dividends. I like how Torre is dropping Posada down the lineup, with his decline he should have been down there a long time ago. Hey, if Posoda snaps out of it, our bottom of the order doesnt look so bad with Cano inserted down there.

2005-08-25 10:20:28

5. jedi

Talk about paying dividends early!!! With contact hitters in Jeter and Matsui batting 1st and 2nd, we are able to push in more runs with sheffield and rodriguez. Did I mention, I like this lineup?

2005-08-25 10:22:34

6. Knuckles

Holla!

I hope Chacin has some croakies on those specs of his, lest they fly off his head whipping around to watch those balls leave the yard.

2005-08-25 10:22:36

7. Alvaro Espinoza

Security to the bat rack! 9 pitches, 4 runs.

2005-08-25 10:29:10

8. Knuckles

Does this pitching matchup remind anyone of that Letterman bit?

"Oprah, Uma. Uma, Oprah."

2005-08-25 10:30:04

9. Dimelo

IT'S A BELLY-TO-BELLY!!!

2005-08-25 10:35:41

10. Alex Belth

I snuck an inning on the cafeteria TV. It's funny, you can almost always tell when a Sheffield shot is going to be a homer, yet on TV, I have the hardest time telling off-the-bat whether or not Rodriguez's fly balls are going to go out.

I called Sheff's home run in the first immediately and yet it only made it a couple of rows into the left field seats. I thought A Rod's homer was a fly ball to Wells, but it made it to the monuments.

Terrible call to Posada on the 3-1 pitch. He should have walked. Not an inspiring route that Matsui took on Coskie's gr double either.

But a good start for the Yanks.

2005-08-25 10:43:49

11. bp1

Yeah - Alex - that's the weirdest thing. You'd think A-Rod's homers would be obvious, but it looks so effortless at the plate.

How many times this year has Sheff hit a big homer, only to have A-Rod come up next and top him? Wonder if that contributes to any of Sheff's crankiness, his buddy-buddy status w/ A-Rod notwithstanding. The audience is just getting warmed up to give Sheff his due applause, and then BOOM. A-Rod goes deep and one-ups him. Ha! It's happened a couple times this year at least. Hope they're good natured about it.

This lineup is killer. Now if only Giambi would stop looking like his early season statuesque self. Lots of called-out-on-strikes lately, which is not a great sign.

Go Chacon!

2005-08-25 10:55:59

12. Shaun P

Very nice! I heartily approve of the lineup, even if it didn't yield 4 runs so quickly.

The play-by-play data on Yahoo! suggests that Chacon has been pitching very well so far - just the ground-rule double to Koskie, 5 ground outs, 1 fly out, 1 walk, 1 K. Anyone who is watching - does he look that sharp?

2005-08-25 10:58:58

13. Shaun P

Uh-oh, should I have not typed how well O was pitching?

2005-08-25 11:02:32

14. watziznehm2

Looks like we'll need a lot more runs.. sigh....

2005-08-25 11:05:17

15. Rosbif22

Hey you know...better to give up one run than 2 or 3 (obviously)...at least it didn't turn into last night (which hurts 'cause Mussina has been one of my favorites since I started liking baseball (it's only been like 4 years since I started paying attention))

2005-08-25 11:05:19

16. jedi

And Zaun strikes out swinging to leave the bases loaded...

Dont worry Shaun P and Watziznehm2, the letter of the day on Sesame Street is O-oooooo!

2005-08-25 11:05:20

17. Shaun P

Phew - O's old wildness bit him a little in the rear there. Nothing like a K to end a rally.

2005-08-25 11:05:32

18. Alex Belth

That's okay. Man, Chacon really throws an awful lot of breaking pitches. What's up with Koskie walking with the bases juiced two games in a row? Big strikeouts of Wells and Zaun, lots of soft stuff.

2005-08-25 11:07:23

19. Rosbif22

I've thought that before when listening to games on radio...unfortunately I can only listen on XM radio because I live in California and would never be home to watch games if I ordered the Extra Innings (or whatever it's called)...is his breaking stuff that good, or is he overly dependent on it?

2005-08-25 11:08:56

20. rbj

It's going to be a tough one for the Yankees, now it's 4-2. Not going to say anything positive until the game is over.

2005-08-25 11:13:27

21. Dan-el

What is up with Yankee hitters striking out so much recently? A-Rod, Giambi (the consummate whiff artist), Bernie .... argh.

2005-08-25 11:14:01

22. Rosbif22

Man, I'm in Political Science, and this woman is killing me...she talks too quickly! I guess no paying attention for me today :( ... at least not too much...

2005-08-25 11:14:29

23. tocho

Memo to the Yanks: It's usefull to swing the bat once in a while. Three called strikeouts and to good batters (A-Rod, Giambi and Bernie).

Let's go O.

2005-08-25 11:14:53

24. Shaun P

I don't recall watching Chacon when he was with the Rockies - but how 'bout this for speculation: because its so hard to throw breaking balls in Colorado, now that Chacon's free of Coors, he can throw as many breaking balls as he feels like, so he is. You know, like the kid who couldn't drink soda for years because of his braces - as soon as the braces come off, he guzzles soda like its air.

2005-08-25 11:21:17

25. Shaun P

First the K was O's best friend, now its the DP.

Thank God the Jays keep running Koskie and Hinske out there. Imagine if they had kept Delgado and actually played Aaron Hill everyday. This would be a scary team.

2005-08-25 11:29:12

26. Shaun P

I hate the sacrifice bunt, especially early in a game - why give up an out when you don't have to - but I wonder if it makes more sense when you've got an Escalona up there . . .

Meanwhile, Jeter and Matsui better not make outs now.

2005-08-25 11:32:18

27. Alex Belth

What the hell just happened there? Did Jorge get dumb on the base paths, what?

2005-08-25 11:33:37

28. Rosbif22

Did he run home and maybe tried to come bacK?

2005-08-25 11:34:14

29. JVarghese81

I think Jorge started on the pitch or on contact and they got him on the force at home. I'm not entirley sure though.

2005-08-25 11:34:18

30. Shaun P

"D. Jeter grounded into fielder's choice, J. Posada out at third, T. Martinez to third, D. Jeter to second"

Say what?

2005-08-25 11:35:16

31. Alex Belth

I didn't see it. But after second and third with 1 out, man, that was terrible. Chacin has thrown a lot of pitches, but c'mon a clutch hit to make things a bit more comfortable isn't too much to ask.

The A's are bombing the Tigers 9-0.

2005-08-25 11:36:59

32. jedi

Another play where jorgie got caught in between a twinkie and a cupcake.

Greeeeeeeeeat...

2005-08-25 11:37:16

33. tocho

Yeah, Jorge started home on contact since it was a comebacker to the pitcher, but ChacIn fielded it pretty well and got him in a run-down, which BTW was terrible for the Blue Jays because it advanced both Tino and Jeter. It didn't matter though with the strikeout to Matsui (ChacIn was excellent in that at-bat).

Damn, from the first inning, I thought it was going to be an easy game...

2005-08-25 11:37:59

34. Alex Belth

A walk to start the fifth. Don't talk to me about the fifth inning, dammit.

Let's go.

2005-08-25 11:39:22

35. Shaun P

Alright - ground out, fly out, only one more out and the 5th is gone, Alex.

2005-08-25 11:41:12

36. aboveavg

anyone notice that Sterlingface is now calling Monument Park, Monument City. What an ass.

2005-08-25 11:41:52

37. Rosbif22

That's 5...

I guess I can forgive him for raising his 1.34 Yankee era (or whatever it is)

2005-08-25 11:42:07

38. Alex Belth

Don't mind me, Shawn, way to go. Half-way there...

2005-08-25 11:42:48

39. Alex Belth

Let's see if they can chase Chacin in the next two innings. Keep grinding boys...

2005-08-25 11:44:34

40. Shaun P

And one more fly out. We could use 9 runs 'bout now . . .

2005-08-25 11:45:49

41. Rosbif22

Perhaps, if we're lucky, Bernie will complete the "flyout" trifecta

2005-08-25 11:46:07

42. JVarghese81

A-Rod with a nice defensive stop. After a bad month to start, he's done very well over there for the rest of the year.

Also, if you check, Jeter's fielding rate stats are even better than his GG-winning year last year.

On the plus side, Chacin is only good for one more inning probably and the Toronto bullpen is shaky too.

Another quick point - the Daily News guys made a good point on WCBS - Sheff's also dealing with the stuff that is going on with Doc. I mean, the guy is his uncle..Honestly, I didn't even think about it until he mentioned it but hey, that's gotta weigh on your mind.

2005-08-25 11:47:27

43. Alex Belth

Economical fifth for Chacin. Works around a two-out walk with ease. Bernie and A Rod saw one pitch. Total of nine in the inning.

Dag.

2005-08-25 11:48:06

44. Alex Belth

What do you figure? Three-six more outs for Chacon. Come on, dude, buckle down.

2005-08-25 11:48:45

45. JVarghese81

97 pitches for the game with the bottome of the order (Posada and Martinez) coming up.

2005-08-25 11:51:20

46. domvjr

I don't have a good feeling about this game.
4th straight inning with the lead off man on.
They really don't make it easy to watch these games. The offense goes south!

2005-08-25 11:51:20

47. Alex Belth

Another lead-off walk for the Jays. Chacon has issued four base on balls today. Got Reed Johnson swinging for the first out though...(hoping) double play, double play, double play.

2005-08-25 11:51:32

48. Shaun P

I'd like to see 2 innings from O, but if he keeps walking guys with 82 pitches already . . .

Meanwhile, our pathetic attempts at offense last inning notwithstanding, if Tino, Posada, and Felix! can get ChacIn in trouble in the 6th, he's probably out.

2005-08-25 11:51:50

49. JVarghese81

I'd say it depends on how he gets of this jam - he just struck out someone on 3 pitches so he's still got his good stuff and he's only at 90 pitches or so. I'd give him this and the next inning to start, but that's me.

2005-08-25 11:53:00

50. Shaun P

Speaking of Gold Gloves, anyone else see the close-ups YES did last night of A-Rod and Jeter's gloves? The Rawlings Insignia and some stitching were gold (colored I image). Kaat said they do that for you once you win a Gold Glove. Pretty cool - I never knew that.

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2005-08-25 11:53:32

51. Alex Belth

Falls behind Hinkse and he singles...

2005-08-25 11:54:00

52. Alex Belth

Anyone know if the bullpen is cooking?

2005-08-25 11:56:44

53. Alvaro Espinoza

I'm not crazy about Matsui in the 2 hole. Just feel that an rbi guy has to be in the 3, 4, or 5 slot. Your weakening 1 need to fill another. While 25 had a stellar July, he cannot be relied on consistently to produce runs. As a matter of fact, given his gaudy OBP, I'd rather have Giambi's inconsistent bat in the 2 hole and 55 back in the 5 slot if any move had to be made.

Managed to sneak out for a bit to see the game. It's pretty much the same game we've been watching all year.

2005-08-25 11:57:55

54. Alex Belth

Hudson eight pitch at bat. Singles to left. Bases juiced.

2005-08-25 11:59:31

55. Rosbif22

hey, 2 down...

2005-08-25 11:59:49

56. JVarghese81

Whoo - Hellofa K! - Not out of the woods yet though!

2005-08-25 11:59:51

57. Cliff Corcoran

Huge K there for Chacon!

2005-08-25 12:00:26

58. Shaun P

And Adams strikes out. Come on, O! One more out!

2005-08-25 12:01:03

59. JVarghese81

and I'm glad we're seeing a slumping Catalanatto - career .296 hitter

2005-08-25 12:01:22

60. Alex Belth

big strike out of Russ Adams. Frankie C is a tough one though...

2005-08-25 12:01:30

61. domvjr

Okay, O! Now lets get some runs...

2005-08-25 12:02:22

62. Alex Belth

Yes! Chacon gets out of it with a fly ball. 108 pitches. Considering how he wriggled out of two bases-loaded jams, that should be it for him.

Good job on a day when he didn't have great stuff.

2005-08-25 12:02:56

63. JVarghese81

Whoa - way to come back from bases loaded 1 out - 108 pitches - you figure he's done for the day, who comes in from the pen? Keep in mind the only two lefties (adams, catalanatto) in the lineups just made outs.

2005-08-25 12:03:02

64. Shaun P

ALLLLLLLLLLLLLRIGHT! O is the letter!

2005-08-25 12:03:57

65. rbj

Phew, dodged that bullet. But it looks like "O" is gassed, or that he's not fooling anyone now. Sturtze, Gordon, Mo?

2005-08-25 12:04:08

66. Rosbif22

Can't ask for more than that...gotta give him credit for fighting through some sticky situations.

2005-08-25 12:04:44

67. Shaun P

Who's warming up? Gotta be either Small or Sturtze, after last night's appearances. I'm hoping it's Small . . .

2005-08-25 12:06:38

68. Knuckles

Vamonos, Felix!

2005-08-25 12:06:46

69. domvjr

Can somebody, get a big hit here!

2005-08-25 12:08:47

70. Cliff Corcoran

Tough call here on the pen. Joe might try to go straight to Gordon as he's said he doesn't want to use Tanyon today. Maybe Small/Gordon/Rivera, but Aaron seems to have been "Groomed" by Joe.

2005-08-25 12:11:07

71. rbj

Derek, now would be a "clutch" situation, give the pen a bit more breathing room.

2005-08-25 12:11:07

72. Cliff Corcoran

Check that, it was last night that he didn't want to use Sturtze. So yeah, Big Three in a row. This is why you have 'em.

2005-08-25 12:11:17

73. JVarghese81

Thanks Cap

2005-08-25 12:12:09

74. Alvaro Espinoza

2-out runs are sweeter than nectar!

2005-08-25 12:12:25

75. JVarghese81

ANother hit right here would be nice too...and Hideki delivers...sweet.

2005-08-25 12:12:59

76. Cliff Corcoran

Monster jam from the DJ, man.

2005-08-25 12:12:59

77. Shaun P

Go Jetes! Thanks for the big hit!

2005-08-25 12:13:10

78. rbj

Thanks Derek. And Hideki.

2005-08-25 12:13:10

79. Mike G

double clutch

2005-08-25 12:13:33

80. Alex Belth

Way to go Jetes! An RBI triple! Yee ha! Wait, way to go Godziller. An RBI single.

A bit of breathing room.

2005-08-25 12:14:06

81. Alex Belth

That's all she wrote for Chacin.

2005-08-25 12:14:24

82. Shaun P

JVarghese81, thanks for the quicker update than Yahoo - if Sheff and A-Rod do their thing, here's where we break it open!

BTW, with a four-run (maybe more) lead, I think you have to at least give Small a shot here before going to TanGorMo.

2005-08-25 12:14:58

83. jkay

The boss is out and the game is on!

2005-08-25 12:17:02

84. Cliff Corcoran

Shawn, I agree 100%. Try to get Small to go at least two innings.

2005-08-25 12:19:42

85. jkay

Chacon in, one down.

2005-08-25 12:20:50

86. rbj

Chacon's back out?! He's been getting into trouble the last couple of innings, I'd bring in a reliever, but would be happy to be proven wrong.

2005-08-25 12:21:02

87. jkay

Nice diving catch coming in by Sheff, 2 down. Gordon & Embree warming.

2005-08-25 12:22:34

88. jkay

Wiffs Coskie, nice job.

2005-08-25 12:22:46

89. Cliff Corcoran

Four run lead, I don't have a huge problem with going back to Chacon. I'm only concerned about not letting him throw too many pitches. They have to go to the pen in the eighth, though. Chacon had 108 pitches coming into the 7th.

2005-08-25 12:24:51

90. rbj

Happily I was wrong.

2005-08-25 12:25:26

91. Cliff Corcoran

1-2-3 on 11 pitches and a pat on the backside, give it to the pen.

2005-08-25 12:25:52

92. Eric

our #4 starter is pitching like an ace and our #1 starter (RJ) is pitching like a #4.