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You Gotta Believe
2008-08-20 13:27
by Alex Belth

...The Yanks will serve the Jays up like Stove Top Stuffin' tonight.  And if they don't, if we see Bad Andy, if the Yanks get rocked, well, then I just don't know what.

Let's Go Yan-Kees.

 

Comments (120)
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2008-08-20 13:54:17
1.   tommyl
0 Alex, I think that's the 1000th time one of us has written if they lose this game we don't know what will happen. Then they go out, stink up the joint and we rationalize it somehow. Isn't the human mind amazing?
2008-08-20 13:54:29
2.   pistolpete
0 >> well, then I just don't know what. >>

Then it's Halladay tomorrow. Ugh.

2008-08-20 13:59:27
3.   Alex Belth
Yanks will win tonight and THEN beat Halladay tomorrow...wishful thinking maybe, but what else do we have at this pernt?

LOL

2008-08-20 14:03:11
4.   Biscuit Pants
0 Can we just not channel Tug?
2008-08-20 14:05:43
5.   williamnyy23
This is definitely a game the Yankees should win. Of course, they'll likely lose against Halladay and then stumble through Baltimore. I guess it's still nice to suspend reality and hold out hope, but it definitely feels like the Yankees are playing out the string (and certainly looks that way as well).
2008-08-20 14:11:07
6.   Knuckles
They're gonna win 4 out of the next 5, thru Sunday. Only reason I'm not calling for a clean sweep is because I don't know much about this TBA guy who's going against Olson on Saturday.
2008-08-20 14:14:48
7.   cult of basebaal
we play today ... we get 1 step closer to a protected draft pick today!!!
2008-08-20 14:16:53
8.   Raf
4 Would you rather channel Tim?
2008-08-20 14:30:01
9.   cult of basebaal
8 i'd rather channel timmah!

immah!

Timmah livin' a lie!

Dah! Duoah!

Ugh Ah Daah Timmy!
And the Lords of the Underworld Darkness fills my heart with pain

Timmy!
And when girls start to sleep with girls
Beelzebub will rise again!

Timmy Livin a Lie!

Pah Yup Pah Dub Dub Timmy

Yeah Duh Doh

Timmy!
And the Lords of the Underworld! Darkness fills my heart with pain

Timmy!

And when girls start to sleep with girls

Diophoysis will rise again

Duh Timmy, Break it Down!

Heaaaah

Doahhhh
Timmy!
I pledge allegiance to the flag Timmy!…. To the United States of… Timaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

TIMMAH!

Timmah livin a lie!

Dappit Gul Hod Timmy!

Huyah!

Daah!

And the Lords of the Underworld Darkness fills my heart with pain Timmy!
And when girls start to sleep with girls
Timmah! Timmah Beelzebub will rise again

timmah timmaah!

2008-08-20 14:35:43
10.   Vandelay Industries
The real shame is that it isn't the pitching that is killing us. I could live with that.
2008-08-20 14:53:00
11.   yankster
Come on now... here's something to look forward to: Jeter (2 left) and Cano (2 left) are both really close to setting new personal records for GDP!
2008-08-20 14:55:13
12.   yankster
Abreau actually only has one more GDP before he sets a new personal record! Wow, a lot of personal batting records could fall in the next week or two!
2008-08-20 15:04:36
13.   yankster
Anyone care to speculate what Giambi could get paid for a short (1 or 2 year) deal next year?

Anyone remember a good discussion about this anywhere?

2008-08-20 15:06:29
14.   JL25and3
11 Jeter (2 left)

Is that GIDPs for a personal record...or years on his contract?

2008-08-20 15:11:14
15.   Vandelay Industries
13 I actually like Giambi a lot. He was as honest as he could be about steroids.

What is 30+HR and 90+RBI worth these days?

2008-08-20 15:11:51
16.   Biscuit Pants
I'd rather channel Karim Garcia
2008-08-20 15:12:52
17.   Vandelay Industries
15 Or should I use the completely nonsensical and utterly mathematically unsound morphing of two disctinct measurements, OPS, as the value on Giambi?
2008-08-20 15:13:21
18.   JL25and3
As a person, I love Giambi. I'd be astonished if they re-sign him.
2008-08-20 15:15:43
19.   Vandelay Industries
18 Do you think the Yankees will be the team that offers Tex 10 years? After what has happened with the last round of long term deals, I do not see the Yankees risking it. Otherwise, who plays 1B? And no, it won't be Posada.
2008-08-20 15:17:32
20.   JL25and3
19 I think the Yankees will make a run for Teixeira, and a serious one. I still don't think they're going to re-sign Giambi as an alternative. They'll look for something, but I doubt it will be him.
2008-08-20 15:18:29
21.   weeping for brunnhilde
Any word on who's the starting CF?

I'm presuming it's Damon, but...

2008-08-20 15:19:31
22.   cult of basebaal
19 who says texeira is going to get 10 years?

yeah, it only takes 1 team, but tex ain't arod ... i'd bet 6 or so years, probably with an option year or two

2008-08-20 15:19:47
23.   cult of basebaal
21 damon
2008-08-20 15:20:57
24.   cult of basebaal
small advances ... from petey:

UPDATE, 5:52 p.m.: For the first time in months, Girardi did not reconfigure the lineup to face a left-hander. "Our lefties have hit lefties," he said.

Kim Jones asked him whether this would be the lineup for the rest of the season.

"We will try," Girardi said.

2008-08-20 15:27:27
25.   Vandelay Industries
22 I live out in LA LA land now, and Tex keeps saying that he wants ten years, as did Boras. He is running out the stability for my family bullshit. As you said, it only takes one team, and Tex aint got what it takes to live and play in NY. So, whatever run we make will have to be better than what he is being offered by the Angels et al.
2008-08-20 15:29:30
26.   Vandelay Industries
22 But then again, I am in favor of signing Giambi. I am also in the crowd that cannot understand why everyone wants to dump Abreu. But then again, .300 hitters do grow on trees. There are people out there who would rather have Nady. So, go figure.
2008-08-20 15:31:11
27.   unmoderated
25 i like tex, he's a nice player.

but i also get the feeling he would melt like a cookie puss in july out here.

...and i don't have any answers or suggestions. if it were easy, he'd be starting tonight against the jays.

2008-08-20 15:33:33
28.   JL25and3
26 I'm with you on Abreu, except that he might well want 3 years or so - and he might well get it somewhere. I wouldn't giv ehim that.
2008-08-20 15:35:27
29.   Vandelay Industries
27 Maybe we'll get lucky and mini-me-Pavano Kennedy with his attitude in tow will pitch well at some point. Then we can trade him and Melky for something. Anything to get that 24 year old who is already a 42 year old Mussina off the club. I'm still amazed people expected him to pitch well at all.
2008-08-20 15:37:15
30.   yankster
14 GIDP's

15 I like Giambi a lot too and hoped he'd have a slightly better year. He is 13th in OPS in the AL, whatever that means.

18 I'd also be astonished if they re-signed him, though if he wants to stay, I bet he could ask for little enough money that the Yanks would keep him.

To recap what most already know: The Yankees have a $22 million option on Giambi that they won't exercise. To get out of the contract there is a $5 million buy-out.

That buy out is a sunk cost but if Cash is slick maybe he can convince Giambi that the $5 million is part of another offer of say a total of $12 million. That would cost the Yanks only an additional $7 and Giambi would still get a total of $12 or whatever he is worth...

2008-08-20 15:38:37
31.   Vandelay Industries
28 Its all about upgrade or break even. If we cannot upgrade or break even on another player, then Abreu gets three years no problem in my book. If folks think Gardner/Christian, Damon, Nady is better, they already drank the cool aid. Please ignore those who actualy think Damon can play CF. Can't we sign Hunter or Beltran, or . . . or . . . . but wait . . . we got to keep Melky and Kennedy . . shew!
2008-08-20 15:38:58
32.   Adrian
Apropos the previous post on the bandwagon, I just wanted to pop by and say I'm still reading and watching. You guys are still tops and, postseason or no postseason, I'll be passing through BB until the end.
2008-08-20 15:43:10
33.   Vandelay Industries
30 OPS has no meaning outside of baseball. No mathematician takes it seriously. Just take any two stats and add them together. Presto: New unscientific stat. How about OBA: BA and OBP? Seems logical.

I agree, maybe Giambi will be a stand up guy and provide the Yankees a little relief for his play the past few seasons. If there is a guy who would do it, maybe its Jason.

2008-08-20 15:57:07
34.   williamnyy23
33 Why should OPS have any meaning outside of baseball? Also, who cares that you are adding two stats. OPS provides a nice snap shot of a hitter's performance by combining two very useful stats into one metric. It isn't perfect, but it's simplicity makes it valuable.
2008-08-20 15:58:24
35.   Vandelay Industries
34 I respectfully disagree. It is its simplicity that makes it misleading.
2008-08-20 15:59:37
36.   Vandelay Industries
Oh, and a metric must be a standard of measurement, and because OPS measures nothing, it is not a metric.
2008-08-20 16:02:19
37.   williamnyy23
The problem with retaining Giambi and Abreu is that they are both essentially DHs on a team that already has Damon, Jeter, Matsui and now potentially Posada. One of the Yankees biggest problems lately has been they have to trade off defense to get offense. When you don't have a strong pitching staff, that can get exposed, especially when you also don't get the offense.

Another problem that I have with Abreu is he is very, very streaky. When he is hot, he is still very good, but Abreu often has long cold spells.

Giambi has also become very streaky, but my bigger concern with bringing him back is I don't think you can count on him for back-to-hback healthy seasons.

2008-08-20 16:03:53
38.   williamnyy23
36 Fair enough, but what do you find misleading?
2008-08-20 16:08:38
39.   williamnyy23
36 Semantics.
2008-08-20 16:11:09
40.   Vandelay Industries
38 I cannot be sure if the player is a great power hitter, a great hitter for average, or both. But by glancling at two stats rather than one, I then can tell. If it were a helpful tool for bringing together several measurements, I might buy into it, but because it requires almost no effort to just look at OBP and SLG seperately, I believe it tricks the reader into believeing they are recieveing some information that is efficacious, when it is not.
2008-08-20 16:13:23
41.   Vandelay Industries
39 Is it really semantics to point out that you used a word that is reserved solely for scientifically efficacious data that can be tested and verified to refer to a figure that is nnot a measurement nor scientific?
2008-08-20 16:15:16
42.   williamnyy23
40 Then I agree...OPS is less useful than its components. Having said that, I think it does allow you to make a quick and easy comparison of two players that might be more complicated if you look at the components. Just because something is imperfect doesn't make it useless, IMHO.
2008-08-20 16:16:08
43.   Vandelay Industries
41 But then again, I blame James. The term Sabermetrics is inherently misleading, because most if not all of his calculations are not measurements at all, nor metrics. And if you call yourself a scientist, as he does, then you shouldn't throw around words that the scientific community would not use to describe such things.
2008-08-20 16:20:46
44.   williamnyy23
41 It is...when we are discussing a baseball stat, I think it is very clear that we are not dealing with the scientific definition of a metric system. Pointing out that OPS is not a "metric" adds nothing to a discussion of its usefulness.
2008-08-20 16:21:28
45.   OldYanksFan
30 I think you are dreaming, but you never know. My guess is Giambi could get 2/$20m from someone plus keep his $5m from the Yanks. I do believe he would like to end his career here. Giambi works on motivation. I'd give his a heavily incentive laden contract but based plate appearances and OPS, not HRs). He productes, he get paid. Injured or bad, not so much.
$6m base.
750-800 OPS +$2m
801-850 OPS +$3m
850-900 OPS +$3m
901-950 OPS +$3m
over 950 OPS +$4m

Over 550 ABs - 100% of above
500 - 550 ABs - 90% of above
400 - 499 ABs - 80% of above
300 - 399 ABs - 70% of above
etc.

Giambi is going to get over 500 ABs this year.

2008-08-20 16:21:30
46.   williamnyy23
43 I think a scientist can distinguish context.
2008-08-20 16:21:57
47.   Vandelay Industries
42 I agree completely. And thank you for not taking this discussion down the road many do by yelling at me.

I do not dispute that it has a level of utility. What bothers me is that because of morons like Gammons (sometimes I think he wakes up at night just to shout out "OPS! Look how smart I am" and then goes back to sleep), it is now seen by many to have the same scientific relevancy as a statistic such as OBP or AVG, when it does not. It is listed on Baseball reference for example, and it has no business there without a qualifier. I have no problem with Samermetrics and believe again that it has some usefullness, but those "measurements" should be explained for what they are, and more importantly, what they are not.

2008-08-20 16:23:33
48.   OldYanksFan
Saved by the X-man!
2008-08-20 16:24:07
49.   Vandelay Industries
46 I absolutely agree. But it isn't the scientists I am worried about, it is laypersons and baseball fans who falsely belive that it is in fact science at all.
2008-08-20 16:24:35
50.   DarrenF
47 I don't get it -- two metrics added together equals something that no longer qualifies as a metric?

If anybody yells at you, tell them to go to nj.com yankees message board where trolls are calling the Yankees the "Skankees."

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2008-08-20 16:24:56
51.   williamnyy23
45 I posed this scenario a week or so ago, but could it make sense for the Yankees to pick up the option and then deal Giambi?

The logic works this way...let's say more than a few teams would be willing to sign Giambi to a 1-year deal at $13-14mn per year, but would be reluctant to go for two years. In that case, the Yankees could effectively make him a 1-year player by picking up the option. Because the $5mn buy-out is sunk, the next cost to the Yankees would only be $17mn. Then, if they were able to trade Giambi and throw in $3-4mn, they might be able to get a prospect.

2008-08-20 16:25:39
52.   nick
37 Giambi and Abreu both have to go, for William's reasons: we employ a ridiculous number of guys who are basically DHs.

We need to sign the best available prime (roughly age 26-30) offensive talent and plug it in. That simple, I think. Right now we have Betemit and Nady in that category. If Cano bounces back, that gives us a total of one premium player in his prime. Look at what, eg, Rays and Sox have. Not pretty. We need an offensive core, not the 80s-early 90s treadmill strategy.

2008-08-20 16:26:51
53.   OldYanksFan
It's been discussed before, but many in the 'community' believe OPS is too 'SLG' heavy, and does not credit high OBP with enough value. Since OBP is NOT making out, as opposed to extra bases.
Meaning that OBP/SLG of 450/450 > 400/500.
2008-08-20 16:29:19
54.   williamnyy23
49 We are talking about baseball though...who cares if less mathematically inclined fans overestimate the relevancy of OPS? Baseball stats are supposed to be fun and enhance your enjoyment of the game. I'd much rather deal with imperfection that try to turn baseball statistics into a science. What's more, I am glad that "average fans" and older media types are using OPS…it sure beats Batting Average and RBIs. Give me an unscientific amalgamation any day over an irrelevant measurement.
2008-08-20 16:29:29
55.   nick
runs, and an 8-pitch inning. ok.
2008-08-20 16:31:38
56.   OldYanksFan
19 "Otherwise, who plays 1B? And no, it won't be Posada."
This needs to be Bantered. I myself see Po as an .800-.850 OPS guy. This does NOT carry a 1Bman who looks to be league worst at D (maybe even worse then league worst). At DH, it isn't great, but at least doesn't do damage.

I believe Po's value is almost exclusively as a catcher. He is very show and can't play another position. IMHO, unless he has an OPS of .900 or more, if he CAN'T catch, I would put him on the bench.

2008-08-20 16:31:44
57.   williamnyy23
52 What's so great about what Boston has? Varitek, Lowell, Drew and Papi all fall outside the prime parameters.
2008-08-20 16:33:15
58.   williamnyy23
53 Sure...there are weighted OPS that help to resolve that problem (I think 1.4*OBP is the resoluion), but sometimes you can reduce things to obscurity by making them too complex.
2008-08-20 16:33:30
59.   OldYanksFan
54 What stats do you believe are best for comparing players offensive value? VORP takes position into account, so that's go... although we all do that intuitively.
2008-08-20 16:37:06
60.   williamnyy23
59 But many feel that VORP seriously under-accounts for walks. Also, the definition of replacement level is opent to debate. I don't think any measurement is perfect. I'd rather look at several for an indepth analysis. For a quick and dirty comparison, I prefer to compare OPS+ along side the components.
2008-08-20 16:37:32
61.   nick
so, guys, does Robbie seem to you like the kind of ballplayer who'll maintain focus and take good ABs through September on a non-contender? getting him back on track is key to this team's future....
2008-08-20 16:42:33
62.   nick
57 Mooklis and Bay, two of their three best hitters, currently 29--none of our key bats are in their prime. Or slice it another way: the only over-32 guys they depend on now are Tek and Lowell; we have Jeter, Damon, Abreu, Matsui, Giambi, & Posada.
2008-08-20 16:43:54
63.   Biscuit Pants
There goes the no-no
2008-08-20 16:45:31
64.   nick
yes, Drew and Papi are 32; so is A-Rod....the Sox aren't the Rays, but they're younger.
2008-08-20 16:45:39
65.   Biscuit Pants
62 There's also a guy named Drew and one named Ortiz.
2008-08-20 16:46:39
66.   williamnyy23
62 Bay should be a nice player, but give me a 36-year old Manny any day. As for Youkilis, I think this season is the fluke.

Also, add J.D. Drew to your list of Sox at 32.

Finally, I don't think Arod's age matters yet.

2008-08-20 16:49:15
67.   williamnyy23
64 The Sox are much closer to the Yankees in age (30.1 to 31.2) than to the Rays (26.9).