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Baltimore Orioles IV: Let Down Edition

2008-07-28 12:52

by Cliff Corcoran

Having had their eight-game winning streak snapped last night by a lop-sided loss to the Red Sox, the Yankees have to be careful not to suffer a let-down against the lowly Orioles tonight. Being back at the Stadium and having Mike Mussina on the mound should help with that. Moose has a 1.41 ERA over his last five starts and has struck out 31 against just three walks and no homers in that stretch. Then again, his one start against his former team this season was one of the worst of his career as he was unable to compensate for a first-inning error by Derek Jeter and wound up allowing seven runs and getting the hook before the O's made their third out.

He takes on Jeremy Guthrie, who has been far and away the O's best starter this year. Guthrie has alternated starts of four or more runs allowed and starts of two or fewer runs allowed since June 7, but hasn't allowed more than five runs in a game since March. If the pattern holds, he'll allow four or more tonight, but we saw how well that worked with Jon Lester last night.

The Orioles lost their last series in the Bronx 2-1, but are 4-2 against the Yankees in Baltimore. The Yanks haven't seen the Orioles since late May, but the team hasn't changed much. They've rotated through a number of replacement-level shortstops, most recently settling on Juan Castro, but the rest of the lineup remains the same. The O's do have a nine-man bullpen right now (along with a three-man bench and a four-man rotation following the recent demotion of Radhames Liz), but they've made no notable additions to their relief corps.

The top of the O's lineup is solid with Brian Roberts now being followed by Adam Jones (a singles-heavy .305/.344/.416 since late May, but already starting to make the Erik Bedard trade look good for Baltimore), Nick Markakis, and a rejuvenated Aubrey Huff (.293/.354/.533 with 20 homers on the season). In fact, the O's have six players in double-digits in home runs (Huff, Luke Scott with 18, Markakis and fifth-place hitter Melvin Mora with 15, Yankee Killer Kevin Millar with 14, and catcher Ramon Hernandez with 11). Of course, Mora and Hernandez have done very little beyond hit home runs, but Scott and Millar add some extra pop and patience in the six and seven holes. Huff's the real threat, though. Always something of a second-half hitter, he's hit .348/.400/.626 since June 1 and something very close to that since the second half began. Expect to see Joe Girardi deploy Damaso Marte against him as Huff loses more than 200 points of OPS when a lefty is on the mound. I just hope Girardi has the good sense to use Marte for more than just that one hitter.

No surprises in the lineup tonight with a righty on the mound and Xavier Nady having settled in as the left-fielder and seventh-place hitter, nor on the transaction wire.

Baltimore Orioles

2008 Record: 49-55 (.471)
2008 Pythagorean Record: 50-54 (.479)

Manager: Dave Trembley
General Manager: Andy MacPhail

Home Ballpark (multi-year Park Factors): Oriole Park at Camden Yards (101/102)

Who's Replaced Whom:

Juan Castro replaced Freddie Bynum (minors)
Brandon Fahey (minors) replaced Alex Cintron (DL)
Fernando Cabrera (DL) replaced Luis Hernandez (minors)
Randor Bierd (DL) replaced Steve Trachsel
Alberto Castillo (minors) replaced Matt Albers (DL)

25-man Roster:

1B - Kevin Millar (R)
2B - Brian Roberts (S)
SS - Juan Castro (R)
3B - Melvin Mora (R)
C - Ramon Hernandez (R)
RF - Nick Markakis (L)
CF - Adam Jones (R)
LF - Luke Scott (L)
DH - Aubrey Huff (L)

Bench:

R - Jay Payton (OF)
L - Brandon Fahey (UT)
R - Guillermo Quiroz (C)

Rotation:

R - Jeremy Guthrie
R - Daniel Cabrera
L - Garrett Olson
L - Brian Burres

Bullpen:

L - George Sherrill
R - Jim Johnson
L - Jamie Walker
R - Chad Bradford
R - Dennis Sarfate
R - Lance Cormier
R - Fernando Cabrera
R - Randor Bierd
L - Alberto Castillo

15-day DL: S - Alex Cintron (IF), L - Adam Loewen, R - Matt Albers, R - Chris Ray, R - Jim Hoey, R - Greg Aquino

60-day DL: R- Danys Baez, L - Troy Patton

Typical Lineup:

S - Brian Roberts (2B)
R - Adam Jones (CF)
L - Nick Markakis (RF)
L - Aubrey Huff (DH)
R - Melvin Mora (3B)
L - Luke Scott (LF)
R - Kevin Millar (1B)
R - Ramon Hernandez (C)
R - Juan Castro (SS)

Comments (275)

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2008-07-28 15:37:08

1. Chyll Will

Reposted from last thread: Word from SC is Jorge is definitely having the surgery. Will confirm soon.

2008-07-28 15:44:27

2. Chyll Will

1 Okay, Newsday is reporting it also, just 45-minutes ago.
http://tinyurl.com/5jwwms

Man, I need to go out somewhere today...

2008-07-28 15:45:22

3. ChrisS

Interesting to see Guthrie, a former high-ish level prospect with good stuff but poor ML performance, was cast off by the Indians and is now making a two-season resurgence. I wonder if Mazzone fixed him or if he just took a while to develop.

2008-07-28 15:54:19

4. Cliff Corcoran

1 Finally!

3 There were some whispers about him having a crisis of confidence. I think he was rushed by the Indians, then jerked around as a result. It's what we hope isn't happening to Ian Kennedy. I think he just needed a fresh start. Here's my comment from Baseball Prospectus 2006:

"In 2003, the Indians promoted Guthrie to Triple-A just nine starts into his professional career. It was too much too soon. Guthrie struggled mightily at Buffalo and his control vanished altogether in 2004, prompting an even quicker demotion to Double-A. At that point, the Indians thought the problem was mechanical. They bumped him to Buffalo in 2005, where he continued to struggle, giving reason to believe that self-doubt was an issue."

2008-07-28 16:01:12

5. Sliced Bread

Posada apparently made the decision after attempting batting practice today.
Something tells me he still hit better than Molina during that bp session, and Sexson, and a few of the other options that remain at Girardi's disposal.

2008-07-28 16:11:48

6. ChrisS

1 Despite not liking the trade that brought Nady over, if that's what pushed the decision on Posada's surgery being done now rather than later, then it's a good thing. I like Posada, and I'd rather have him for a full year, and healthy, then for bits and pieces of a season partially healthy and then under the gun to make it back before March.

4 Interesting. It's always nice to see that kind of thing work out (of course, I don't want to see him get a W tonight). And if the Dunder-Mifflin rotation holds, I'm going to check out IPK tomorrow night.

2008-07-28 16:16:23

7. Travis08

Is Bobby Meacham coaching third base for the Orioles, too?

2008-07-28 16:17:16

8. rbj

7 Dang, beat me to the Bobby Meacham joke.

2008-07-28 16:17:28

9. Eirias

I'm sure that this has been addressed elsewhere, but I am lazy, so I ask you: How is Nady as a fielder?

2008-07-28 16:20:20

10. Mattpat11

9 It felt like he took FOREVER to get that ball, but I think it may have all been part of a master plan to throw Roberts out by fifty feet.

2008-07-28 16:20:35

11. OldYanksFan

He's a C-/D+ LFer abd a C+/B- RFer (based on ZR)

2008-07-28 16:21:24

12. OldYanksFan

DiceK vs. J.Weaver on ESPN

2008-07-28 16:22:35

13. RIYank

12 With Joe Morgan?

2008-07-28 16:23:58

14. monkeypants

Johnny still seems a bit rusty...

2008-07-28 16:24:55

15. Mattpat11

Its gonna be a long night.

2008-07-28 16:26:13

16. monkeypants

12 Mybe in your neck of the woods. Up here I get the Jays v. ....

Yawn.

OK, they are playing the Rays tonight, but still, it's hard to get excited about the Jays. It is fun to watch them lob softballs at super-overrated GM J.P. Ricciardi at some point during each game.

2008-07-28 16:29:05

17. Mattpat11

16 I bought MLB Extra Innings last week, and one of the first games I turned on to was Toronto vs Baltimore. The game sucked, there were 13 people in attendance, none of whom could give a shit, and the announcers were comatose. I managed to switch to Sabathia's CG.

2008-07-28 16:29:26

18. rbj

Glad to hear that about Jorge. I'd hate to have him struggle for a couple of months now and then also miss part of next season on rehab.

2008-07-28 16:32:12

19. williamnyy23

This had the feel of a trap game coming...I hope the bats don't go quite for the rest of the night because with Rasner going tomorrow, this is a game the Yankees really need.

2008-07-28 16:32:22

20. Mattpat11

Mussina has nothing.

2008-07-28 16:32:38

21. monkeypants

17 Well, I'm not allowed--according to local monopolistic and protectionistic laws--to get EI without also getting the All-Sports All-Hockey All-Expensive package for a zillion dollars. And I vowed not to get MLB.tv (never got the stream speed they advertised, and my local ISP--the same monopolistic company as my cable TV provider--started limiting the total monthly download on my high speed package).

So, I'm stuck with the "local" team every night, which is the Jays, Jays, Jays.

2008-07-28 16:32:42

22. ChrisS

Interesting start.

2008-07-28 16:33:12

23. Eirias

Moose forgot to bring Uncle Charlie to the ballpark with him.

2008-07-28 16:34:09

24. rbj

Moose is about due for a bad game. Offense, it is up to you guys to bail him out.

2008-07-28 16:34:53

25. Mattpat11

21 I'm so sorry

2008-07-28 16:35:28

26. Mattpat11

He's really not very good against this team

2008-07-28 16:35:59

27. Travis08

Who's the long man tonight?

2008-07-28 16:36:59

28. Mattpat11

We need rain.

2008-07-28 16:39:52

29. Eirias

28 We need Spahn.

2008-07-28 16:43:33

30. Just fair

Anyone but Millar. UGH. The offense owes Mussina one, methinks.

2008-07-28 16:44:50

31. OldYanksFan

30 I was just gonna say. Moose could easily have 2 more Wins with any kind of offense. Time to pick up the Moose guys.

2008-07-28 16:47:41

32. JoeInRI

Guthrie's throwing strikes

2008-07-28 16:48:49

33. Just fair

Perfect game?

2008-07-28 16:51:57

34. Shaun P

21 Just wondering - who is your cable/ISP, Rogers?

Because the funny thing about that is, of course, they own the Jays. Hmm.

17 I am guessing you are loving EI, Mattpat.

2008-07-28 16:52:33

35. Mattpat11

34 Indeed I am

2008-07-28 16:52:38

36. cult of basebaal

wow ... show up 2 innings late and look what happens ... sheesh, i sure hope i've missed all the suck that gonna suck tonite.

2008-07-28 16:52:42

37. rbj

Gee, that was kind of a weird ad, "The Yankees look to have a victorious game two tomorrow." Has even YES given up on this game?

2008-07-28 16:54:14

38. Mattpat11

37 I was thinking the same thing.

2008-07-28 16:55:22

39. Mattpat11

What the fuck was that?

2008-07-28 16:56:59

40. cult of basebaal

well, if blue ain't gonna give moose anything on the corners, this is going to be looooong walk off a short pier.

2008-07-28 16:58:12

41. Mattpat11

40 I haven't seen any real outrageous calls though. He's just not having a good night.

2008-07-28 16:58:50

42. rbj

There ya go, Moose.

2008-07-28 17:00:34

43. williamnyy23

If the Yankee offense can show a little life here, they might be able to come back.

2008-07-28 17:00:39

44. Just fair

For all watching on Yes, is it me or do the Yankees sound people blast the X-files tune after a strikeout? The movie is coming out soon, I believe.

2008-07-28 17:00:43

45. Mattpat11

Just slog through tonight, Moose. Maybe the team will steal you a win. You deserve it.

2008-07-28 17:01:25

46. cult of basebaal

way to battle mikey.

2008-07-28 17:02:06

47. Just fair

41 It looks like Moose is missing by about 1/2 a baseball. Not a good mix for an Ump who won't budge.

2008-07-28 17:02:34

48. Shaun P

If I hadn't seen Moose pitch the 2nd, just the 1st and 3rd, I'd wonder how the heck the Yanks were down 4-0.

C'mon Nady, time for your first hit!

2008-07-28 17:04:26

49. Just fair

Could they replace Kay with Cone? Having Flaherty, Cone, and O'Neill in the booth would be good times.

2008-07-28 17:06:14

50. OldYanksFan

eyes... getting... heavy....

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2008-07-28 17:06:37

51. Mattpat11

This is non competitive.

2008-07-28 17:06:43

52. williamnyy23

Nine up and nine down against Guthrie. I was hoping we were past this.

2008-07-28 17:08:52

53. Jeb

I just wanted to say that I a PROUD and irrational hatred of the Orioles. If our team felt this way maybe they would not regularly bitch slap us.

2008-07-28 17:09:09

54. Mattpat11

I just hope we get a hit.

2008-07-28 17:11:05

55. Just fair

I love to see the pitcher make the infield pop-up catch.
2nd time coming up for the order. Hope the Coffee and Red Bull has kicked in.

2008-07-28 17:12:04

56. Jeb

49 hmmmm. I don't know. O'Neill just said, "the one mistake he [Moose] made was a 3 run homer." I guess he was in the restroom when he gave up the tater to Millar. [I think it was O'Neill, don't crucify me if it was Coney].

2008-07-28 17:13:20

57. Travis08

56 Millar hit the 3-run homer; Hernandez hit the solo shot. Mussina's also given up some hard hit doubles.

2008-07-28 17:13:23

58. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

Ohayo Gozaimasu. Who is this Guthrie and why has he not given up a hit yet??

2008-07-28 17:13:54

59. Shaun P

52 The first 9 Yankee hitters making outs? Something tells me you'll see it happen many more times over the years. =) I don't think they'll ever get past it.

2008-07-28 17:14:59

60. Mattpat11

WHOOHOO

2008-07-28 17:15:06

61. Shaun P

58 It happens.

And just like that, its all done.

2008-07-28 17:15:43

62. rbj

So this Guthrie kid is pitching a no hitter?

2008-07-28 17:16:10

63. ms october

58 interesting way of breaking up the no hitter

who are the commentators - kay, o'neill, and flaherty - no?

i miss cone.

2008-07-28 17:16:20

64. Mattpat11

62 No.

2008-07-28 17:16:26

65. cult of basebaal

59 Over Macho Grande???

2008-07-28 17:17:10

66. williamnyy23

The Yankees best lineup does not have Jeter batting second.

2008-07-28 17:17:18

67. Mattpat11

I really hope the Yankees don't follow up a winning streak by losing 7 of 11 or whatever it was last time.

2008-07-28 17:17:33

68. Jeb

Well Jeter did HIS job. That's #17 GIDP on the season.

2008-07-28 17:17:53

69. cult of basebaal

JESUS GODDAMN CHRIST JETER.

FUCK!

2008-07-28 17:17:57

70. Chyll Will

and just like that... "poof"... they're gone.

2008-07-28 17:18:07

71. Shaun P

53 Just for the record, since the start of 2004, the Yanks are 50-33 vs the O's. I don't have time to add up the runs scored vs runs allowed, but something tells me its well in the Yanks' favor.

Hardly being bitch slapped, no?

2008-07-28 17:18:21

72. ms october

but since derek is wedded to the gidp - it's like guthrie has a no hitter in tact

2008-07-28 17:19:06

73. Chyll Will

Abreu's on, so now we need a feeble groundout by Mr. A here...

2008-07-28 17:19:24

74. Jeb

So will an Arod homer soothe us all?

2008-07-28 17:19:39

75. OldYanksFan

Man... Derek... this is getting old.

2008-07-28 17:19:54

76. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

wait a second..Jeter hit into a DP AGAIN?!?! damn...

2008-07-28 17:20:05

77. williamnyy23

71 Yes, but they are 13-14 since 2007.

2008-07-28 17:20:08

78. Shaun P

66 Where would you hit him, 7th, and move everyone else up a spot? I think that's what I'd do. Or maybe, maybe, bat him leadoff, and Damon 2nd.

Never happen, though.

2008-07-28 17:21:23

79. Mattpat11

Do we even have a hard hit foul ball?

2008-07-28 17:21:30

80. JoeInRI

73 Nice call . . . damnit

2008-07-28 17:21:43

81. ChrisS

65 No, I don't think I'll ever get over Macho Grande.

2008-07-28 17:22:11

82. Shaun P

77 Quite true. But Jeb said "regularly", and I figured that a 28-game sample is not enough to show "regularly"; too small. 80-something games? That's enough.

2008-07-28 17:22:49

83. williamnyy23

78 Exactly...either leadoff or at the bottom. If you add the DPs to his lack of production, he has really been a weak link in the lineup.

2008-07-28 1