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Fo Real or Fo Fake?
2008-07-17 11:24
by Alex Belth

Here's the rumor. Would be something if it were true. But I'll go with fugazi.

Update: Would you believe, Richie Sexson?

Oy and veh. Better 'n a Betemit I suppose.

Comments (91)
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2008-07-17 11:29:48
1.   seattleyank
I love it. It could be a total disaster, but at least it will be interesting.
2008-07-17 11:29:59
2.   mehmattski
I'm gonna go with fake, considering this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3493648

2008-07-17 11:34:24
3.   rbj
No to Bonds. Besides, why would the Yankees what to increase the home run total A-Rod will need to break.
2008-07-17 11:40:52
4.   Raf
2 How so? One has nothing to do with the other.

3 Because they need to get some offensive help and win games.

2008-07-17 11:44:29
5.   Shaun P
0 Woo-hoo! Go rumor!

2 Excellent. Phase one of upgrading the bench nears completion. Now, who gets tossed from the 25-man roster: Traber, or Moeller?

3 I'll let my fellow Bonds-wanter williamnyy23 provide anything I miss, but:

What's more important, doing something that could help the Yanks win this year or worrying about a record that A-Rod is going to destroy in 6-7 years anyway?

Why not? It only costs money, his legal issues won't get in the way, its not like people will stop going to Yankee games (in the last year of the Stadium? HA!), and its not like the Yanks aren't hated 'round the world anyway. Oh, and the sunuvagun can hit, which the Yanks desperately need.

Worst-case scenario if the Yanks sign Bonds: Yanks miss the playoffs.

Worst-case scenario if the Yanks fail to sign Bonds: Yanks miss the playoffs.

What's the downside?

2008-07-17 11:46:14
6.   ChrisS
2 Sweet. Someone else to be furious at for striking out with runners on and less than 2 outs.

What a laughing stock of an offense. Good Lord a-mighty.

2008-07-17 11:47:53
7.   ChrisS
4 because there's only so much room on one team for an aging hitter that can't play the field?
2008-07-17 11:49:18
8.   OldYanksFan
"... its not like people will stop going to Yankee games (in the last year of the Stadium? HA!)"
Are you kidding? People will piss and moan till the cows come home (rhyme), but people will FLOCK to see Bonds. He is simply the most exciting man to hold a bat in his hands in 50 years. And protection behind ARod? YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-07-17 11:52:14
9.   Raf
7 I'm sure Girardi could find a spot in the lineup for Bonds. There weren't any shortage of AB's for Matsui.

DH him, or put him in LF and use Gardner as a LIDR. There are ways to make it work.

2008-07-17 11:53:32
10.   OldYanksFan
7 Bonds played the field last year for 126 games. If we want to play him every 4th game to spell JD/Melky, that means less then 20 games. I'll bet he's good for that.

And while Bonds is certainly not a humble man, if this deal was true, I believe he would honestly be greatful not only to be able to play again, but in Yankee Stadium.

And it would really take the heat off ARod.
Imagine, the current and future greatest HR hitters in the history of the game batting back-2-back! Awesome!

2008-07-17 11:57:59
11.   Shaun P
8 Not that protection is real, but they could even do A-Rod as "protection" for Bonds.

7 Well, one of those guys (Matsui) is out, another one (Giambi) does a good enough job (and with ground ball Wang out does it matter?), and the last guy (Posada) ought to just catch already.

Besides, on days Posada or Giambi or even Damon need a day at DH, Bonds could always play LF - and Brett Gardner could replace him come the late innings.

2008-07-17 11:58:33
12.   Shaun P
9 Raf, I like how you think.
2008-07-17 11:58:34
13.   mehmattski
4 I suppose 7 is what I was going for, although I guess it is possible that Bonds would be signed to actually play left field.

If Sexson can keep up his split against left-handed pitchers, I suppose he keeps Jose Molina out of the lineup on those days.

That's the only positive thing I can say about signing Sexson. He's just not a good hitter anymore. And he's not a good fielder either, as his ZR is about the same is Giambi's in more innings.

The Yankees just signed Shelley Duncan, age 33 version.

2008-07-17 11:59:22
14.   pistolpete
Just heard the Sexson thing myself. Hope they didn't spend too much.
2008-07-17 12:00:05
15.   mehmattski
Psst, Alex: It's Sexson.
2008-07-17 12:03:35
16.   JL25and3
Sexson's number against lefties are good this year, but they sucked for the two previous years.

14 That's the only good news. the Yankees are only responsible for the pro-rated minimum salary; the M's are still on the hook for the rest.

2008-07-17 12:06:58
17.   Raf
13 Couldn't hurt to take a look. Maybe getting out of Safeco helps him, maybe limiting him to facing righties helps. Who knows. Worse comes to worst, he gets cut. I'm sure he has more to offer the team than Moeller, Traber, Hawkins & Christian.

14 Prorated league minimum is all they spent.

2008-07-17 12:08:02
18.   JL25and3
I know all the arguments about Bonds...and I have to say, I still don't like the idea. I don't usually have such a strong visceral reaction, but I'm really not interested in having him on the team - honestly, not even in seeing him hit. I'm not going to try to justify it, but I really don't like it.

There is one thing that does concern me. If they sign Bonds - after picking up Sexson - that pretty well insures that they won't make any other big moves before the trading deadline. I'd rather see them pass on both of these and, perhaps, try to solve a problem in a more long-range way. I'm not sure what that would be, but these signings would mean that Cashman won't even be looking.

2008-07-17 12:09:44
19.   pistolpete
17 My prediction: Sexson's energized by his new surroundings and has a really good showing for a month or two. Beyond that, it's cloudy.. ;-)
2008-07-17 12:12:39
20.   ChrisS
14 It's the league minimum, but still I don't see it making any sort of positive difference in the Yankee offense, and potentially making them slightly worse.

They need a good young RH power hitter in the OF, preferably one that's not scared of fly balls. Sexson is a poor hitter and an even worse defender.

2008-07-17 12:12:54
21.   Raf
18 There really aren't any big moves the Yanks can make, at least none that I can think of off the top of my head.
2008-07-17 12:13:07
22.   Simone
Sexson. What a nightmare. Might as well bury the offense right now. Maybe the pitching will continue to improve with Hughes and Kennedy returning to help the Yankees make the playoffs.
2008-07-17 12:16:23
23.   dianagramr
Is this because Ken Phelps wasn't available?

(Yes, I'm still missing Jay Buhner)

2008-07-17 12:17:48
24.   ChrisS
18 "try to solve a problem in a more long-range way" Agreed 100%.

This is fantasy baseball roster shuffling.

2008-07-17 12:19:06
25.   OldYanksFan
Shit.... Wall.... Stick?
That's part of smart management.
You HAVE to try no/low downside shots.
2008-07-17 12:19:40
26.   ChrisS
21 the moves are there, but to get talent they have to give up talent.

I say trade Jeter.

2008-07-17 12:20:40
27.   dianagramr
Time to play Jeopardy:
Category .... slash stats
Answer: .151/.250/.370
Question: What are Richie Sexson's career stats at Yankee Stadium

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/gZUm

2008-07-17 12:21:23
28.   Raf
24 The Yanks currently have 3 catchers and 8 relievers. I'm sure they can find a spot for Sexson.
2008-07-17 12:22:05
29.   monkeypants
18 I agree with you. My gut and hear tells me to "just say no." i really would prefer Bonds to be the one big name (supposed) PED user not signed by the Yankees.

That said, if the rumor is true--and I'm still not buying it--then I say that they should put him LF every damn game until he breaks. Then, make DH some sort of platoon between Betemit (unless they find yet another lefty bat) and Sexson (unless they find yet another righty bat), with Posada rotating in.

It also means DFAing Moeller and at least one pitcher, to make room for the bats.

If this team wants to make a run, they need to start scoring a lot more runs, and that means maximum offensive line up as often as possible--with minimum PT for the likes of Molina and Gardner.

2008-07-17 12:24:20
30.   Raf
27 Small sample size alert!
2008-07-17 12:24:57
31.   Shaun P
24 Its a lot cheaper than trading away prospects. Especially when, according to John Perroto of BP, every team that's a seller with a young(ish) bat is asking for the moon in exchange for that bat.
2008-07-17 12:25:36
32.   mehmattski
25 Never really understood the metaphor. Wouldn't you be rooting for the shit not to stick? Otherwise you just end up with some dirty walls.

Sexson (.218/.315/.381) likely replaces Molina (.226/.263/.311) or Betemit (.243/.268/.411) against left-handed pitchers. Yay?

Unless, of course, Girardi continues his MUST HAVE RIGHTIES AGAINST LEFTIES campaign and sits Giambi against all lefties, despite his .903 OPS against them this season...

2008-07-17 12:30:29
33.   ChrisS
28 No doubt that there's room on the team for him, but that's really damning the Yankees with faint praise.

For some reason, and call me silly, I don't think much of importance is ever kept completely under wraps. There are big-time offensive holes on this team, which, additionally, isn't aging well. And so far the rumors of what Cash is thinking to fix the team are to pick up Marte or Fuentes, Nady, and Bonds or Sexson. Color me unimpressed.

2008-07-17 12:31:05
34.   rbj
18 That's my feeling too.

I don't care much for Sexson either.

2008-07-17 12:31:46
35.   ChrisS
31 Whether you pay a lot for crap or very little for crap, in the end it doesn't matter, does it?
2008-07-17 12:35:27
36.   RIYank
35 But if you pay nickels for a guy who will probably be crap but could flash his old talent one more time (esp. against lefties), that can't turn out too bad and could turn out great.

I think chances are the Sexson move is inconsequential, but I give Cashman a plus-mark for doing it.

2008-07-17 12:41:16
37.   Raf
33 There are big-time offensive holes on this team, which, additionally, isn't aging well.

And cannot be moved. What team is going to want to take Abreu or Damon, for instance? Cashman has to look for little, quick fixes for now, because after this season, there's a good chance the roster will be overhauled.

2008-07-17 12:44:56
38.   Rob Middletown CT
32 I don't think those stats you listed for Sexson are his stats against LHP.

It's his one remaining skill (even if his stats this year have been flukey good - .344 average, IIRC).

2008-07-17 12:46:45
39.   tommyl
26 Why not make A-Rod available too? Jeter is not going to be traded. It will never, ever happen.
2008-07-17 12:47:14
40.   OldYanksFan
Sexson against LHP:
2005 - 2007: .258 .374 .507 0.881
2008(61 AB): .344 .423 .623 1.046

Compare those numners to Molina.

2008-07-17 12:47:38
41.   Shaun P
35 But that's only if, in the end, it is crap. In which case, you'd much prefer to have paid very little for it. Expensive crap is the worst kind of crap.

RIYank is right - its all about risk/reward.

And right now, there is no guarantee that Sexson is crap.

My other point is: I agree with you, what the Yanks really need is a young, cheap, big bat - a long term solution. Like, say, a Matt LaPorta. BUT the only way to get one of those is to give up something of immense value (Hughes or Jackson), which the Yanks also need.

So that is clearly not going to happen.

In the meantime, the young-ish big bats available on the trade market are 29 year old Jason Bay, 28 year old Adam Dunn, maybe 28 year old Mark Teixiera, and 28 year old Matt Holliday. But outside of Bay - who is the Pirates best player and will cost a fortune in prospects - the other guys have good reasons to NOT trade for them (Dunn and Tex are free agents in November, Holliday can't hit for crap outside of Coors).

So, given all that, throwing a bit of money at a temporary solution is a better way to go, IMHO. Even if it doesn't work out, the Yanks aren't about to run out of money.

2008-07-17 12:49:58
42.   OldYanksFan
P.S. Ponson has worked out pretty good so far. 2 EXCELLENT starts and Wins. The is NO reason not to try Sexson.
2008-07-17 12:56:20
43.   tommyl
To me Sexson is taking the Shelly Duncan spot, or what we hoped Duncan would be. 1B/DH guy who can (hopefully) mash lefties and never has to bat against a righty. If he hits at the rates OYF quoted in 40 that's a big upgrade over Molina/Gardner/Betemit. Just having a .374 OBP is a big help if anyone remembers my pointing out the current team has something like 3 players in the everyday lineup with OBP over .350. We're sitting 16th in EQA guys, might as well try everything.

As for longer term solutions that tougher. Jackson could be that solution but he's still a couple of years away, or at least middle of next year away. Montero seems to be legit but he's down at Charleston, so that's not going to help any. The only thing I could see them doing is trying to trade a pitching prospect for a position prospect at the minor league level. That might not be a bad idea, but I haven't seen any realistic trades proposed. As an aside, what is Josh Hamilton's status? Is he under Texas control and if so for how long?

2008-07-17 12:57:46
44.   Bama Yankee
39 I agree with you that Jeter will probably never be traded, but I bet Packer fans used to think the same thing about Brett Favre...
2008-07-17 12:59:31
45.   tommyl
44 Well there's a difference between being traded and being a douchebag who retires, has the team move on without you, then decide to come back and then whine about it.
2008-07-17 13:01:51
46.   mehmattski
43 As he has just 1.5 years of MLB service (two after this year), he will not be eligible for free agency until he is 33 years old.

The Rangers currently have him signed to a one-year ~$400,000 contract, and he's not even eligible for arbitration until after the 2009 season.

2008-07-17 13:03:05
47.   tommyl
46 Oooph, oh well. Guess we should have signed Milton Bradley when Jim Dean told us to, huh?
2008-07-17 13:04:04
48.   RIYank
45 Yeah, can't see Jetes in that role.
2008-07-17 13:05:59
49.   mehmattski
47 I was right with him on that one. We were shouted down by the "he's a bad apple!" arguments. Well this team of supposedly good apples has nice-guyed their way to third place, so maybe someone's tempermant is not a good enough reason for making personell decisions.

As for Jim Dean, we're coming up on the one-year anniversary of his passing. I hope the Yankees make some moves that would make him proud.

2008-07-17 13:07:35
50.   RIYank
Yeah, Milton Bradley [slobber]. Oh well.

Speaking of Montero, as someone was, here's a theory I just dreamed up. It's common to take a great-hitting catching prospect and decide he's too good a hitter and not enough of a catcher and make him a 1B or something. I hear that's a possibility for Saltalainfinitelylongname, and the Yankees talk about doing it with Montero. But look around at catching talent these days. Outside of Mauer, where are the next wave of Posadas, Variteks, etc.? It's a desert. So my theory is that smart GMs will carry below-average defensive catchers rather than switch them to another position, even though this means you get less total offensive productivity out of them over their careers with the team, because as catchers their VORPs will be huge.

Thoughts?

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2008-07-17 13:08:44
51.   RIYank
50 "where are the next wave"???
Somebody teach that guy how to speak English.
2008-07-17 13:15:55
52.   tommyl
50 I believe it depends on how below average you're talking. A couple passed balls and an extra stolen base or two is fine. If the guy can't catch any breaking balls and he throws like the current incarnation of Posada on his best days then he's sort of a "catcher" in the sense that I'm a "golfer."
2008-07-17 13:20:49
53.   ChrisS
39 The Jeter thing was mostly tongue-in-cheek, but he's exactly the sort of player right now that badly managed teams sell the farm for. Incredible bat, check! Proven winner, check! Downhill side of 30, check! He's still overrated enough to really make a haul in young prospects with salary compensation. But the Yankees would need something more than the Attorney General waiting in the wings to even remotely justify that trade.

I don't know. This is a middling team, with a middling GM, and middling positional/offensive prospects. Don't get me wrong, I am excited about our pitching prospects and the potential rotation next year, but I'm downright scared about the offense. Though I think Ajax is closer to being ready than most people think.

2008-07-17 13:25:06
54.   cult of basebaal
49 cashman had some interest IIRC, bradley was another guy that torre didn't want on the team.
2008-07-17 13:44:39
55.   Shaun P
46 47 50 54

Note - Bradley is a free agent again come this November. He isn't a long term solution (he'll be 31 next year), but he'd be a damn fine placeholder for a couple of years (3 maybe 4?).

Hopefully, the Yanks offer some folks like Bradley some big money but short-term deals (a la the Dodgers a couple years ago and Furcal). Its a way for them to leverage their financial advantage while minimizing risk. And avoids paying for (too much of) free agents' decline phases.

2008-07-17 13:48:51
56.   mehmattski
I think we should all forget about the 2008 Yankees and join Giambi for some Jack Daniels....

http://deadspin.com/5026320/jason-giambi-eschews-your-petty-shot-glasses

2008-07-17 13:54:19
57.   RIYank
56 Whoa.
I know the Stache has to be kept moist, but ... um...

No, I can't do it. Maybe dianagramr will make a suitable pun involving "JD" and "Giambi's lips".

2008-07-17 14:07:14
58.   tommyl
53 If the pitching becomes really good we just need some OBP guys to build around A-Rod, Posada, etc. Just give me a bunch of guys who know how to take a walk and I'll build you an offense.
2008-07-17 14:18:16
59.   OldYanksFan
50 Agreed: Posada, Martinez, PIAZZA. Their contribution on offense, for their position, overshadows their loss on defense.
2008-07-17 14:40:19
60.   dianagramr
57
You rang?

(apologies to George Thorogood ...)
Wanna tell you a story,
About the homerun blues
I come work one Friday,
Had to tell Girardi I'd-a lost my stroke
He said that don't concern me,
Long as you get some ribbies this Friday
Now this Friday come I didn't get the runs,
And out the lineup I went

So I goes to the manager,
I said, "You let me slide?"
I'll have the ribbies for you in a month.
Next I don't know
So said let me slide it on you know people,
I no