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Tell Me Something Good
2008-07-01 12:58
by Alex Belth

Our Man Joba is on the hill tonight. This is the first really good hitting club he's faced since becoming a starter. Let's hope the Yankees' maddeningly uneven offense puts it together against Kevin Millwood and tells us something good.

Let's Go Yan-Kees.

 

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2008-07-01 14:18:30
1.   tommyl
The Yankees will be playing with six homegrown players tonight: Cano, Melky, Jeter, Posada, Gardner, and Joba. Wow.

Let's hope Brett has a few walks or hits tonight and a couple of steals. Man that kid is fast. When I saw his first AB last night I thought they should paint CGI flames on his feet, like they used to do for hockey pucks one year.

2008-07-01 14:31:11
2.   Peter
1 We only get five tonight. Jeter has the day off.
2008-07-01 14:33:07
3.   tommyl
2 Ah, shoot, you're right. Still, pretty amazing.
2008-07-01 15:13:05
4.   ieddyi
LIPS 'N HIPS
2008-07-01 15:15:39
5.   JL25and3
GodDAMN, how bad does Melky have to be before he grabs a little pine, even for one friggin' day? I know he's not the only problem, but come on, since the first 3 weeks of the season, he's batting so far below replacement level it's not even funny. And the longer the "slump" goes, the worse he gets.
2008-07-01 15:24:11
6.   Cliff Corcoran
4 No doubt. Vintage Chaka. Good stuff, Alex.
2008-07-01 15:24:18
7.   JL25and3
With all due respect to the babes photographed with Pete Abe and Will Carroll, Chaka Khan is sexier than either of them - without even being pretty.
2008-07-01 15:26:24
8.   cult of basebaal
sorry mehmattski, i've got bitch about the lineup tonite ...

melky still in the lineup, so you can play betemit at SHORT??? the man plays the middle infield like a drunk falling down stairs, fer chrissake.

you wanna sit jeter, how about doing joba a favor and replacing him with someone who can field ... like The AG?

unless the yanks are lying about an injury, like usual and damon can't really play the field ... damon in left, gardner in center, betemit at 1st, giambi at DH (or swap those two) and AG at short. IS IT THAT FUCKING HARD TO FIGURE???

2008-07-01 15:38:11
9.   ChrisS
Pasta Diving Betemit?

Alrighty, Joba line prediction:

7IP 2BB 8K 2R and the coveted W.

2008-07-01 15:38:19
10.   Zack
7 Yeah, in another league entirely...
2008-07-01 16:27:10
11.   cult of basebaal
wow ... joba start with only 10 comments, everyone must be tired from last night
2008-07-01 16:27:33
12.   Alex Belth
Jeez, those were two cruddy at bats by Bobby and Alex in the first there. C'mon, guys, for crying out loud.
2008-07-01 16:29:00
13.   OldYanksFan
Bobby, Bobby, Bobby... we were counting on you.
2008-07-01 16:30:31
14.   Alex Belth
I just get the feeling that Joba is going to throw a TON of pitches tonight.
2008-07-01 16:32:51
15.   Eirias
8 Wouldn't a drunk be almost uniquely skilled at falling down stairs?
2008-07-01 16:32:54
16.   Alex Belth
Dude, he's got NO command. Two straight walks to start the second.
2008-07-01 16:33:52
17.   Alex Belth
Horrible play by Betemit.
2008-07-01 16:34:44
18.   cult of basebaal
17 didn't see that coming!
2008-07-01 16:35:07
19.   bobtaco
Even with a good throw I don't think he would have gotten him.
2008-07-01 16:35:12
20.   randym77
Anyone need a first baseman? The Mets DFA'd Andy Phillips.
2008-07-01 16:35:45
21.   Alex Belth
Um, this smells bad.
2008-07-01 16:36:26
22.   Alex Belth
Hey, Joba throw it right down the c* and that's what's gunna happen, sport.
2008-07-01 16:36:34
23.   Eirias
That was a NICE throw.
2008-07-01 16:36:42
24.   randym77
Melky does have a nice arm.
2008-07-01 16:36:52
25.   Mattpat11
17 Redundant.
2008-07-01 16:37:21
26.   cult of basebaal
21 i think it's gonna smell giese pretty soon ...
2008-07-01 16:38:57
27.   Alex Belth
No way, A rod tagged him..
2008-07-01 16:39:23
28.   Alex Belth
Good sales job
2008-07-01 16:40:15
29.   bobtaco
strange inning.
2008-07-01 16:40:34
30.   Alex Belth
The good salesmanship hides a very poor choice by Betemit. I think you are right, even a good throw wouldn't have nailed the runner at the plater earlier in the inning.
2008-07-01 16:40:44
31.   cult of basebaal
27 or, no way arod tagged him.
2008-07-01 16:41:55
32.   Alex Belth
All considered, the Rangers base running and a fortunate ump call got em out of it only down 2-0...not horrible.
2008-07-01 16:42:01
33.   randym77
Phantom tag if ever I saw one.
2008-07-01 16:43:00
34.   cult of basebaal
24 unfortunately, that 1 out for our team will probably lead to about 60 more outs for other teams
2008-07-01 16:43:24
35.   bobtaco
It seems to be a very Hughes-like, vintage 2008 performance so far. Perhaps Joba is over thinking and giving the Rangers too much credit. Was he trying to paint corners and that was giving him bad command?
2008-07-01 16:44:44
36.   Mattpat11
30 What is Betemit's alleged "natural" position?
2008-07-01 16:44:48
37.   SF Yanks
Joba currently at 47 pitches.
2008-07-01 16:46:21
38.   Alex Belth
Way to go Round Boy!
2008-07-01 16:46:41
39.   Alex Belth
No dp, no dp...Posada, bunting?!?! Wha?
2008-07-01 16:47:08
40.   Mattpat11
Did Jorge Posada just offer a bunt?
2008-07-01 16:47:18
41.   cult of basebaal
SHIFT THAT!
2008-07-01 16:48:14
42.   OldYanksFan
I think Joba is trying to prove he's a 'pitcher' and not just 'a hard thrower'. He may indeed be going overboard in trying to be 'not just overpowering'.

Again, experience will take care of this. I admire his maturity. He will find his way in time. He is just too talented.

2008-07-01 16:48:20
43.   cult of basebaal
41 stupid mlb.tv delay
2008-07-01 16:49:24
44.   Mattpat11
That was quite the AB.
2008-07-01 16:49:24
45.   Mattpat11
That was quite the AB.
2008-07-01 16:49:45
46.   Mattpat11
stupid double posts.
2008-07-01 16:50:02
47.   bobtaco
Come on Robbie, it's July 1st now...
2008-07-01 16:51:18
48.   williamnyy23
If you were hoping for a bounce back game, the early returns aren't very good.
2008-07-01 16:51:49
49.   JoeInRI
I'm watching on Gameday, what's the injury delay?
2008-07-01 16:53:08
50.   williamnyy23
49 Cano grounded out off of Milwood's leg.
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2008-07-01 16:53:19
51.   cult of basebaal
man ... it's a good thing i'm already drinking tonite, this game sucks and blows.

on the other hand ... the home plate ump is totally rocking a "Megan's Law" 'stache!

2008-07-01 16:54:17
52.   williamnyy23
We want Seattle!
2008-07-01 16:54:46
53.   SF Yanks
Betemit isn't very good. At least that's what my eyes tell me.
2008-07-01 16:54:47
54.   Alex Belth
Betemit you ain't no treat.
2008-07-01 16:55:40
55.   bobtaco
Tampa's up 1-0 on the Sox.
2008-07-01 16:56:25
56.   JoeInRI
Millwood's looking like Scott Feldman tonight . . .
2008-07-01 16:56:44
57.   Mattpat11
53 I really, really don't like watching him play the baseball.
2008-07-01 16:57:18
58.   bobtaco
56 and the Yankee offense is looking like Marty Feldman.
2008-07-01 16:57:25
59.   Alex Belth
G**damn Kings of Comedy out here...
2008-07-01 16:57:41
60.   JoeInRI
Maybe I should sell my Saturday tix . . .
2008-07-01 16:57:46
61.   williamnyy23
I think that throw confirms Posada's shoulder is far from healthy. I have a feeling there is going to be a lot of Molina behind the plate in the future.
2008-07-01 16:57:53
62.   Alex Belth
56, that is AWESOME. (Too late!)
2008-07-01 16:58:12
63.   JoeInRI
58 Don't dis Marty like that . . .
2008-07-01 16:58:16
64.   Alex Belth
I say Joba doesn't make it through the fourth.
2008-07-01 16:59:16
65.   Mattpat11
Jorge is really on a roll.
2008-07-01 16:59:25
66.   JoeInRI
Damn . . .
2008-07-01 17:00:08
67.   williamnyy23
Ponson to avoid a sweep heading into the Boston series...talk about exactly as you draw it up.
2008-07-01 17:00:19
68.   cult of basebaal
jesus, joba couldn't the plate if you gave him a guide dog, a sherpa and a fucking map ...
2008-07-01 17:01:37
69.   JoeInRI
Keep piling on the pitch count . . .
2008-07-01 17:01:48
70.   bobtaco
Here comes Polter Geise...
2008-07-01 17:02:45
71.   Eirias
K or no K, 63 pitches is "urgh" after only 2 1/3.
2008-07-01 17:03:10
72.   JoeInRI
70 Oh my . . .
2008-07-01 17:03:21
73.   williamnyy23
Chris Britton is off the DL by the way. If LaTroy Hawkins remains employed much longer at the expense of Britton, then they should just release him and allow him to get going in his career.
2008-07-01 17:04:02
74.   Eirias
67 Ponson to the rescue? Whatever happened to:

There once was a knight from Aruba,
Whose body was shaped like a tuba,
He talked trash to the Yanks,
And twice he was spanked,
Have another twinkie, you goober.

2008-07-01 17:04:52
75.   williamnyy23
Kay raised the notion of whether the extra day is affecting Joba. I said it at the time and will repeat it again: whether it's a valid excuse or not, why the hell did Joba throw 114 pitches in a blowout anyway?
2008-07-01 17:06:25
76.   Alex Belth
I'm going to throw something if he lets Byrd get a hit here
2008-07-01 17:06:33
77.   bobtaco
Would you send him back out for the 4th if he gets out clean here?
2008-07-01 17:07:34
78.   williamnyy23
77 Why wouldn;t you? If this bullpen has to get 6 innings, you might as well take the team off the field and go home.
2008-07-01 17:07:49
79.   JoeInRI
77 I don't see how you can't . . .
2008-07-01 17:08:46
80.   JoeInRI
Phew
2008-07-01 17:09:34
81.   bobtaco
Because Geise is warm and Joba is struggling, also to keep his total inning count down for the year...

but he probably will come back out for the 4th i'd imagine.

2008-07-01 17:12:28
82.   JoeInRI
Melky pops out a lot . . . or is it just me . . .
2008-07-01 17:13:47
83.   Eirias
DO NOT BUNT GARDNER.
2008-07-01 17:13:52
84.   Alex Belth
Dude, at least Johnny is here to play. C'Mon get his ass home now!
2008-07-01 17:15:10
85.   cult of basebaal
johnny, en fuego!
2008-07-01 17:15:56
86.   cult of basebaal
83 already 1 out, with no outs, i'd put money down in vegas on a bunt ... fuckin' joey joe joe jr
2008-07-01 17:16:31
87.   Alex Belth
Welcome to the big leagues, kid.
2008-07-01 17:17:42
88.   JoeInRI
C'mon Bobby, turn on one.
2008-07-01 17:18:08
89.   cult of basebaal
when michael kay questions the strategy of bunting in the 1st inning ... and is right ... it's time to rethink said strategy
2008-07-01 17:18:28
90.   Alex Belth
Man, Bobby looks lost against Millwood.
2008-07-01 17:19:40
91.   Alex Belth
D-R-A-G
2008-07-01 17:20:32
92.   Mattpat11
90 When someone has something like a 3-1 K/Ball ratio, I'm not a fan of taking the first three pitches. Chances are you're going to be in a hole.
2008-07-01 17:21:04
93.   cult of basebaal
91 D-R-I-N-K
2008-07-01 17:24:55
94.   cult of basebaal
totally off topic, but has anyone played the new Out Of The Park Baseball? Is it worth getting?
2008-07-01 17:27:04
95.   bobtaco
Actually this is looking more like a Kazmir start from 2 years ago.
2008-07-01 17:27:08
96.   OldYanksFan
Well... now for the good news:
2 runs down is not that bad against Texas.
Joba is terrible tonight but has 6 Ks in 4 IP.
I have some Raspberry Chip ice cream left. Getting it... now!
2008-07-01 17:30:46
97.   cult of basebaal
okay boys, how 'bouts some runs!
2008-07-01 17:31:26
98.   OldYanksFan
Joba at 91 pitches. Does he come out for the 5th?
2008-07-01 17:32:48
99.   bobtaco
98 Doubt it
2008-07-01 17:33:30
100.   monkeypants
98 Yes. He threw 100 and 114 pitches in his last two starts. he should at least start the fifth.
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2008-07-01 17:35:48
101.   cult of basebaal
100 why? why push it tonite?

at least that was a hard

2008-07-01 17:36:26
102.   monkeypants
I agree that Jeter could use a day off, but unfortunately that still leaves Melky in the line up. Maybe Girardi should think about using Jeter more at DH, with Damon in LF and Gardner in CF, at least for now to see if that jump starts the offense.
2008-07-01 17:36:40
103.   cult of basebaal
101 grounder from arod ... never mind ... stupid D-R-I-N-K!
2008-07-01 17:37:39
104.   Eirias
Giambi sprayed on the ball repellent.
2008-07-01 17:38:43
105.   monkeypants
101 What's being pushed? the kid has shown he can throw 100 pitches. I don't think that it's wrong to try to get five out of your starter, especially in a 2-run game. If he's efficient, let him finish the inning. if he gives up a hit or labors to the first couple of batters, then yank him. he's gone for the 6th anyway, so someone should be warmed.
2008-07-01 17:39:05
106.   cult of basebaal
dammit, how many pitches are we going to just miss ... grrrr!
2008-07-01 17:39:37
107.   cult of basebaal
105 see 103
2008-07-01 17:39:53
108.   Alex Belth
OK, no more "yankee" bad luck here, time to score a freakin run.
2008-07-01 17:40:04
109.   bobtaco
105 If they score here, I'd say fine, let him pitch. Otherwise, keep his overall inning limit down. He's thrown some high stress innings tonight.
2008-07-01 17:40:34
110.   Just fair
Posada, laces ones off the Sony sign. C'mon Cano. Do something REAL NICE.
2008-07-01 17:40:47
111.   Alex Belth
Why do I feel that Robie will hit into a dp?
2008-07-01 17:41:23
112.   Alex Belth
No! Tough strike.
2008-07-01 17:42:05
113.   cult of basebaal
C'MON RIPPER!!!
2008-07-01 17:42:27
114.   Alex Belth
Hey, whatta ya say!
2008-07-01 17:42:35
115.   Just fair
Robbie and the Cano's.
2008-07-01 17:42:47
116.   Alex Belth
The softest hit ball of the inning and it goes for a base hit.
2008-07-01 17:43:17
117.   bobtaco
The spell has been broken
2008-07-01 17:43:38
118.   monkeypants
109 Maybe...maybe...you don't send him out for the 5th for the sake of his innings limit. But really, does one inning make a difference? This can't be made up elsewhere, like if he is pitching with a big lead?

Naw, I've got to think that part of developing as a starter is, well, pitching at least 5 innings and throwing 100 pitches.

2008-07-01 17:43:41
119.   rbj
Something good. Hm. Well, I am back from a week visiting family. First up was my parents' 50th wedding anniversary (in Virginia). Then came a family reunion with the cousins in Patterson. My one cousin (once removed) had a birthday, so there was ice cream cake -- no Fudgie the Whale, but better was that it was a Yankees theme.

And just like that the Yankees score.

2008-07-01 17:44:18
120.   Eirias
.277 OBP. Now that is what I like to see in my Yankees hitters.
2008-07-01 17:44:57