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Southpaw Special

2008-06-28 11:01

by Alex Belth

It is hot and hazy, muggy and awful in New York today. A late afternoon start pits Andy Pettitte against Johan Santana. Promises to be a good one.

Let's Go Yan-Kees!

Comments (289)

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2008-06-28 11:09:05

1. cult of basebaal

poster over at RAB says that Robertson was called up ... trying to track down details, nothing from petey, yet

2008-06-28 11:12:14

2. cult of basebaal

ah ... Chad Jennings has the post with the callup, though there's no news on who got sent down/DFA'd ... i'll make the guess that it was Iggy, though Hawkins has to have a bullseye on his back as well

2008-06-28 11:47:15

3. 3rd gen yankee fan

I dunno if you guys talked about this yet, but we narrowly missed signing Brett Tomko.

"It came down to here and—people will think I'm crazy—the Yankees," Tomko said before the Padres played the Seattle Mariners. "It definitely was enticing, but like I told them, it's nice to be home. I mean, to be able to pitch at home is always a great thing." http://tinyurl.com/68l6qp

Phew! That was close.

2008-06-28 11:55:16

4. underdog

PetCo is also probably about the only place Tomko can pitch effectively these days anyway. Even when he's going well, he'll give up the long ball (and then another) and all is ruined. Anyway, yes, consider yourself lucky, disaster avoided.

2008-06-28 11:56:09

5. cult of basebaal

3 and that, ladies and gentlemen, is why brett tomko is brett tomko. because he was dumb enough to even consider the yankees, even for a split second.

hmmmm ... let's see ... playing at home in the major league's best pitcher's park ... or getting thrown to the wolves of the AL East ... which is likely to produce the results that would lead to future employement???

such a tough choice!

2008-06-28 12:24:30

6. OldYanksFan

Glad we don't have him, but Brett Tomko has a 91 ERA+ and got $3m. I guess that aint bad as a #5. Just shows Cashman was looking for cheap, not to terrible SP backup. We cuss Cashman, but there are a lot of deals he tried we don't know about.

2008-06-28 12:26:14

7. OldYanksFan

By the way, lots of pissing and moaning about Snacks, but can we give some kudos to Cashman on this one? Snacks has already earned his pay. 2 or 3 extra wins might be the difference between making the PS or not.
Kudos for Cashman?

2008-06-28 12:42:02

8. ms october

1 petey's back in business, guess he had a rough night out with ponson -
he confirms the robertson call-up as well - and kei is back to scranton

andy phillips is getting the start in lf

anyone think pettitte can get a grand slam off santana?

2008-06-28 12:47:07

9. cult of basebaal

7 i don't know if kudos are in order for cashman for that. i give cashman kudos for not panicking, for sticking to his long-term plan, and for realizing that his number 1 concern right now is to buy time without imploding ... every day that goes by brings us closer to kennedy, aceves, horne, hughes and wang ... probably in roughly that order ... i think i like our chances of cobbling together an at least average back-of-the-rotation performance out of some combination of those guys

2008-06-28 12:51:47

10. randym77

Okay, where's the game?

TV Guide says on Fox, but Fox is showing the Chicago game.

2008-06-28 12:56:38

11. Eirias

10 My question exactly. As fun as it is seeing Javier Vasquez pitch fine for all teams ≠ Yankees, I want the Yanks game.

2008-06-28 12:56:45

12. randym77

Oh. Rain delay. :-P

2008-06-28 12:56:57

13. yankeemonkey

10 Rain delay

2008-06-28 12:58:12

14. tommyl

Sunny in Manhattan. What gives?

2008-06-28 12:59:59

15. yankeemonkey

It was pouring just a few minutes ago here on UWS.

2008-06-28 13:00:18

16. Eirias

Rain? Seriously? It lasted about 30 seconds by me. The heat has already evaporated the water.

2008-06-28 13:01:07

17. mehmattski

UPCOMING ROTATION
Monday vs. Texas: Mike Mussina
Tuesday vs. Texas: Joba Chamberlain
Wednesday vs. Texas: Sidney Ponson
Thursday vs. Boston: Andy Pettitte
Friday vs. Boston: Darrell Rasner
Saturday vs. Boston: Mike Mussina
Sunday vs. Boston: Joba Chamberlain

My entry in the Banterites Go to the Stadium series is for Tuesday, July 8. Guess who is likely to pitch? Sidney Ponson. How did I get so lucky??? Maybe, just maybe they'll skip him because of the off-day on Monday (July 7)? Please?

2008-06-28 13:03:12

18. tommyl

17 Damnit for flipping the rotation. I have tickets to Saturday's game. I'd love to see Joba start.

2008-06-28 13:03:51

19. Eirias

Per Abraham, they are taking the tarp off. It has yet to rain.

2008-06-28 13:05:57

20. mehmattski

Fox just reported a 4:20 start time. (Heh heh, 4:20. Heh heh.)

2008-06-28 13:07:42

21. Eirias

19 And by "taking the tarp off," I mean "preparing to take the tarp off."

2008-06-28 13:12:59

22. Jeb

20 got a light?

2008-06-28 13:14:26

23. OldYanksFan

Can someone near the Bronx please update us on the weather. I DON'T WANT TO WATCH CHICAGO! ARG!!!!!!!!!

9 Of all the junk out there, Ponson was probably the best. He was DFA'ed. Does that mean we got him cheap, or did we absorb his salary?

I don't believe Wang will be back. the '10 weeks' was the absolutely most optimistic estimate. There are many things that could make it more then 10 weeks. Will just have to cross our fingers.

I WISH Alex/Cliff would post some simply polls, so we could see how the Banterites (Banterers?, Banterees?) vote on certain simply issues.

Such as:
1) Tex: yes or no
2) A Stud starting pitcher (CC, Bedard, Haren, etc): (yes or WHO) or no
3) If Giambi finishes the year HEALTHY and with an OPS of .900 or better, is he worth ONE year at $17m: yes or no
4) Do we need an impact OFer in either 2009 or 2010 (and Abreu doesn't count): yes or no?
5) What do we need to go out and get in 2009/2010, Offense or Pitching?

GAME ON!

2008-06-28 13:15:07

24. randym77

Hey, maybe Ponson will be good.

Yeah, I know. One good game doesn't mean anything. We seem to have had a lot of pitchers with "beginner's luck." They look good for a game or two, then implode. But Ponson was pitching very well for Texas. They dumped him for other reasons.

2008-06-28 13:18:44

25. randym77

23 We got him cheap. We signed him to a minor league contract. I don't think he was making very much to begin with. Texas had signed him a minor league deal, too.

2008-06-28 13:19:53

26. Jeb

23 wouldn't the Queens weather be more appropriate than the Bronx weather?

2008-06-28 13:21:30

27. OldYanksFan

Ponson's peripherals aren't great but all his numbers are significantly better AWAY from Texas. His AWAY ERA was 3.00... pretty damn good. What impressed me most last night, was how cool he was with men on base, especially bases loaded. Like Andy, he has a high WHIP but seems to 'turn it on' with men on base.

2008-06-28 13:22:22

28. mehmattski

Having Robertson do the lineups was a cute touch. That may be the most credit I give to Fox all night.

2008-06-28 13:22:56

29. OldYanksFan

26 I'm in NH. Queens weather? Who cares if it's raining in England.

2008-06-28 13:27:03

30. mehmattski

Is it raining now in Queens? It looked kind of like it from one of the camera angles.

2008-06-28 13:32:12

31. Eirias

Houston, we have baseball.

2008-06-28 13:36:00

32. mehmattski

Gameday is ahead of my live Fox feed. I checked, my DVR is not active. I feel like I'm seeing the future!

2008-06-28 13:38:03

33. mehmattski

Pettitte's going to have a long night if he keeps not getting that outside strike call.

2008-06-28 13:39:31

34. Yankees Brasil

The ump's zone is tight, but there was no reason for him to walk Easley. He kep throwing pitches down in the dirt. He needs to go after guys like he did to Beltran now.

2008-06-28 13:42:57

35. mehmattski

That's 20 straight scoreless innings from Pettitte.

2008-06-28 13:44:55

36. mehmattski

Ken Rosenthal: Pedro tipped his pitches last night, widening his glove while adjusting his grip for the changeup. Jeter and Abreu, especially, took advantage.

Reminds me of what Willie Mays said about Koufax, asked about tipped pitches: "I knew exactly what was coming, every time, and I still couldn't hit it."

2008-06-28 13:47:59

37. tommyl

C'mon guys, its not like its Johan Santana pitching against us...oh wait...crap.

2008-06-28 13:54:12

38. Eirias

35 Jinx.

2008-06-28 13:54:40

39. mehmattski

There goes that streak. You don't throw a pitch there with the pitcher on deck.

2008-06-28 13:59:47

40. mehmattski

Hey, Melky saw six pitches at least.

2008-06-28 13:59:52

41. williamnyy23

39 Pettitte did something similar on two occasions last year. Being an ex-Nl'er, you'd think he'd better be able to manage a NL lineup.

2008-06-28 14:05:13

42. OldYanksFan

OK, maybe Alex shouldn't post a poll.

2008-06-28 14:11:33

43. mehmattski

41 Not that I didn't believe you, but I was bored, so I looked it up. Pettitte threw in four interleague games, and gave up four homers, to Chris Duffy (inside the park), Xavier Nady, Matt Holliday, and Endy Chavez. None of them were to the #8 hitter.

The #8 hitters were:
Carlos Gomez (0 for 3)
Stephen Drew (1 for 3, single)
Jack Wilson (2 for 3, 2 singles, walk)
Yorvit Torrealba (1 for 3, single)

Perhaps you were thinking of someone else?

2008-06-28 14:13:43

44. ms october

melky had some nice plays that inning.

i didn't think it was possible but mccarver is getting even dumber.

2008-06-28 14:16:04

45. OldYanksFan

44 Funy... I'v gottin smartar with age.

2008-06-28 14:17:44

46. mehmattski

So, I guess Jeter only takes pitches from pitchers who are deadly accurate, and swings at pitches from wild pitchers. Right?

2008-06-28 14:20:46

47. ms october

45 oyf if you want a poll that will stir up a lot of crap - ask: if matsui is out for an extended period of time should the yanks sign bonds?
that's one that a smartar person can answer :}

2008-06-28 14:23:42

48. mehmattski

So, when it comes to the bases loaded and nobody out, is Santana more like Pedro or Ponson?

2008-06-28 14:25:28

49. mehmattski

The weak groundout with the bases loaded practice is definitely paying off in this series.

2008-06-28 14:32:26

50. mehmattski

Cue OYF grumbling about Cano swinging at the first pitch.

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2008-06-28 14:32:50

51. randym77

Uh, boy. Better to be lucky than good...

2008-06-28 14:33:01

52. nick

the bases-loaded weak groundout is the best play in baseball!

2008-06-28 14:33:21

53. cult of basebaal

50 if not him, then me ... robbie's living the lucky life at shea this weekend

2008-06-28 14:34:05

54. mehmattski

Santana leaves the field chirping at the ump about the strike zone. He's thrown 75 pitches through 4 innings. Me like.

Shut em down, Andy!

2008-06-28 14:34:15

55. nick

Melky not worthy of respect with Pettitte on deck...sigh

2008-06-28 14:35:07

56. mehmattski

53 If you combine his lucky hits/bases loaded groundouts with the no-doubt-about it homer, I think it averages out to a couple of line-drive singles, no?

2008-06-28 14:37:11

57. mehmattski

Storm front's a-comin!

http://tinyurl.com/6jv5zd

Hurry up and get through five!

2008-06-28 14:37:50

58. OldYanksFan

If I were managing, Cano would get the take sign until he gets a strike aboyt 75% of the time. Just to get him used to the idea.

2008-06-28 14:38:11

59. cult of basebaal

shouldn't we have had 3 that inning, jorge's sac fly looked plenty deep enough to allow arod to move over to 3rd ...

2008-06-28 14:39:42

60. OldYanksFan

47 I was all for Bonds in April... instead of Shelly, but it's kinda late now.

Jetes looking at 1st base instead of his glove on that one.

2008-06-28 14:39:59

61. mehmattski

59 But Beltran correctly threw into third, not home. A-Rod may have made it, but it would have been the third out... and there's a danger that Abreu doesn't score before A-Rod is tagged out, discounting the run.

Some baseball adages are antiquated, but "don't make the first or third out at third base" isn't one of them.

2008-06-28 14:40:55

62. OldYanksFan

59 You don't make the 3rd out at 3rd base.

2008-06-28 14:41:59

63. OldYanksFan

61 What? Are you a touch typer?

2008-06-28 14:43:04

64. mehmattski

60 Why is it too late now? Once the Yankees go back to playing only American League teams, isn't Bonds an upgrade over the defensive replacement for whoever is the DH that day? Betemit, or Christian?

Bonds' agent says he offered minimum salary and was turned down. Even if that's not true... it certainly is now- Bonds can be had for minimum salary. He's still one of the best hitters in baseball, and would immediately improve the lineup. I'd say it's a no-brainer. As a fan of Giambi's, it can't be the steroids that bother you, right?

2008-06-28 14:44:38

65. mehmattski

63 Between 100 and 110 words per minute, says this game:

http://play.wordracer.com

:-)

2008-06-28 14:44:42

66. tommyl

Oh man, these idiots are saying Joba should be a reliever. Ugh.

2008-06-28 14:46:04

67. ms october

64 i think so (to sign him), especially if matsui needs surgery

i hope they get 5 innings in - it looks like it is raining in queens

2008-06-28 14:46:19

68. Jeb

McCarver said that they should have started Joba from Day #1 or just left him in the pen. Do these iditots NOT understand that he's not ready to pitch 200 innings yet? If he'd been a starter in April the Yankees would be forced to choose between shutting Joba down in August or making him an appointment with a shoulder surgeon. I fucking hate Tim McCarver.

2008-06-28 14:48:02

69. mehmattski

66 And trading for Sabathia. Sure, he improves the Yankees, but at what cost? The early rumors were that the asking price was Cano and Chamberlain. I think not.

Why would the Indians consider a package surrounding Melky, Hughes, and Kennedy? They have the best offensive CF in the game, and they have a number of young pitchers who've already proven themselves in the majors (TINSTAAPP). They clearly don't want someone not making the minimum. What would be a package acceptable to the Indians?

2008-06-28 14:49:22

70. mehmattski

Pitch more quickly Andy! I hear thunder!

2008-06-28 14:50:52

71. ms october

68 if only deion sanders had beat the living crap out of him when he had the chance. mccarver's stupidity knows no bounds. you would have had to take joba out to dinner after dr. andrews fixed his shoulder.

2008-06-28 14:51:55

72. mehmattski

The Mets play "Smooth" as Santana steps up. Very clever. If they had someone named Giels, would they play "Angels in the Centerfold"?

2008-06-28 14:52:39

73. Jeb

71 they should keep Ponson from sitting too close to Joba just on general principle. Haha.

C'mon Andy and get through the 5th....

2008-06-28 14:53:06

74. Eirias

Look at that range by Jeter there. Nice!

2008-06-28 14:54:00

75. mehmattski

73 Actually wouldn't it be better for him to sit next to Ponson? Then, every bowl of chips and dip that passes by gets eaten before it gets to Joba...

2008-06-28 14:54:42

76. cult of basebaal

73 i found myself thinking last night that Snacks looked like he could be Joba's older, world-weary, n'er-do-well brother

2008-06-28 14:55:01

77. OldYanksFan

65 BASTARD!
No, I would love Bonds, but realisitically, how long would he take to get into shape. He hasn't played in 7 months. A 6 week ST brings us to middle August. It's still worth considering, but I just wish it was done earlier.

While I don't like his steroid use, he is a great player with or without. With his legal problems and better testing, he may have been off PEDS for years... who knows. I think he would be a great influence on Melky and Cano... his patience and ability to read pitches.

MANY players have done steroids. It is only Bonds' accomplishments that have put him in the spotlight.

68 McCarver is an idiot, but now so is Buck, I guess from sitting next to him so long. How come these guys are SO ignorant about Joba's situation.

As it turns out, I think the 'Joba Transition' happened perfectly. I think Cashman's plan has worked well, but Phil, IPK and Latroy haven't cooperated.

2008-06-28 14:57:45

78. RIYank

Hey all.
Ouch, I thought this was going to be an easy inning, now we see Wright with two men on. Damn.

2008-06-28 14:59:04

79. RIYank

And it's an easy inning after all!
I love Andy.

2008-06-28 14:59:21

80. OldYanksFan

FUCK-ING BEA-TI-FUL!!!!

2008-06-28 14:59:21

81. mehmattski

Way to pay attention, Jose!

2008-06-28 14:59:41

82. ms october

oh the golden god of pick-offs still has it