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All-City
2008-06-27 09:50
by Alex Belth

The first of two will be played in the Bronx.  Then, a trek cross town for the night game at Shea.  I'm hoping the Yanks come away with a split this weekend. 

Comments (280)
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2008-06-27 09:56:44
1.   monkeypants
I whole-heartedly support the use of the definite article with venues. from now on, I will speak only of the Yankee Stadium!
2008-06-27 10:52:58
2.   Travis08
The lineups:

Mets
Reyes, SS
Castillo, 2B
Wright, 3B
Beltran, CF
Delgado, DH
Nixon, RF
Anderson, LF
Tatis, 1B
Schneider, C

Yankees
Cabrera, CF
Jeter, SS
Abreu, RF
Rodriguez, 3B
Giambi, DH
Posada, C
Cano, 2B
Betemit, 1B
Christian, LF

No Matsui or Damon, even with a righty starter. Posada starting at C (not DH), which means he won't start tonight.

2008-06-27 10:54:05
3.   51cq24
1 next year they'll be playing in a yankee stadium
2008-06-27 10:57:54
4.   Yankee Fan In Boston
3 very nice
2008-06-27 11:00:26
5.   mehmattski
If Matsui hits the DL for more than a few weeks, there is really only one acceptable response:

Barry Bonds.

2008-06-27 11:01:10
6.   monkeypants
3 Clever, but I will have none of it. Next season I shall go root on the boys in pinstripes in the New Yankee Stadium. I suspect that I shall find the confines more majestic than the Citi Field.
2008-06-27 11:02:12
7.   monkeypants
5 If Matsui hits the DL for any length of time, it will only add grist to my mill about why he wasn't put on the DL to begin with.
2008-06-27 11:16:27
8.   tommyl
Ugh, not the way to start.
2008-06-27 11:18:54
9.   pistolpete
Following on Gameday - can someone tell me how the hell Castillo scored all the way from 1st?
2008-06-27 11:19:25
10.   tommyl
9 He stole second first.
2008-06-27 11:19:58
11.   pistolpete
10 Thanks, that wasn't updated yet on my screen.
2008-06-27 11:22:27
12.   SF Yanks
Yuck...that was an ugly AB by Melk there.
2008-06-27 11:22:58
13.   pistolpete
12 What other kind is there lately?
2008-06-27 11:23:17
14.   williamnyy23
Melky leading off again...great.
2008-06-27 11:23:29
15.   SF Yanks
Wow, where did that miss?
2008-06-27 11:26:28
16.   Raf
5 May as well; how long will it take for him to round into shape?

14 Yeah, I don't know what's up with that...

2008-06-27 11:26:28
17.   SF Yanks
It seems like this ump has a small strike zone. Very small.
2008-06-27 11:27:30
18.   tommyl
The NYY offense, generated by 4 players.
2008-06-27 11:30:15
19.   tommyl
I'm not saying Brett Gardner is a savior, in fact I think he's likely to tank, but isn't he worth a look at this point? Melky is OPSing sub .700 and that includes his hot April. He's kind of below replacement now, isn't he?
2008-06-27 11:30:51
20.   JoeInRI
3 This one's "a" Yankee Stadium too . . .
2008-06-27 11:31:02
21.   mehmattski
Come on, stashe power!
2008-06-27 11:31:04
22.   pistolpete
19 At the very least, maybe he can be Melky from 2006.
2008-06-27 11:31:54
23.   SF Yanks
Gameday has a release speed and a result speed for every pitch. So, a radar gun picks up which one of these? Release speed correct?
2008-06-27 11:33:17
24.   tommyl
23 Neither, usually somewhere in between. The gun will be a bit below the release speed and a bit above the result speed typically.
2008-06-27 11:33:59
25.   mehmattski
Shift this!
2008-06-27 11:34:09
26.   pistolpete
Jeez, is Pelfrey dealing as slowly as it would seem...??
2008-06-27 11:34:23
27.   randym77
22 I think Melky from 2006 was a fluke. As someone here pointed out, he was notable for his patience in 2006. Got a lot of walks. But he never showed that kind of patience in the minors, so you kinda knew his OBP would fall back to earth.
2008-06-27 11:35:13
28.   Yankee Fan In Boston
looks like he was intentionally going the other way with it. good to see.
2008-06-27 11:35:21
29.   Travis08
At this pace, they're going to need helicopters to get everyone to Shea on time.
2008-06-27 11:35:33
30.   tommyl
Stache of doom strikes again!
2008-06-27 11:35:44
31.   pistolpete
27 I'm starting to believe that, but even if Gardner came up and produced in similar fashion, we could at least get through the year.
2008-06-27 11:36:18
32.   tommyl
Well so far 3 of my 4 offensive players have come through. Jorge, make me 4 for 4.
2008-06-27 11:36:38
33.   cult of basebaal
damn, looked like your pitch, cletus.
2008-06-27 11:36:42
34.   ms october
26 yes, i guess it is muggy today - he is taking his hat off between almost every pitch and wiping his head
2008-06-27 11:36:45
35.   JoeInRI
31 I agree . . . I think Gardner's speed is a big plus too.
2008-06-27 11:37:09
36.   OldYanksFan
Gotta luv the Big Lug!
2008-06-27 11:37:38
37.   JoeInRI
Ohh, Jorgie . . .
2008-06-27 11:38:03
38.   SF Yanks
24 I see. So is the goal to pick it up mid flight? That's kind of weird. I guess a 96mph fastball could actually be a 98 or a 94 depending on where it's picked up.

At least Pelfrey threw 29 pitches.

2008-06-27 11:38:52
39.   tommyl
35 Me, I like his OBP and the corresponding ability to walk. If he can carry that through to the majors (and I see no reason why he couldn't) then even his slumps would be more valuable than Melky's. Also, Brett would be unlikely to slide headfirst into first base. That alone is a reason to give him a look.
2008-06-27 11:39:00
40.   ms october
i'll certainly take it, but neither hit was much.
pelfrey actually looks somewhat decent today.
2008-06-27 11:39:33
41.   weeping for brunnhilde
It's amazing what Jason's become.

For years and years he strikes out on that pitch and suddenly he's able to fight it off and dunk it into left field?

Why has it taken so long?

2008-06-27 11:39:55
42.   ms october
40 of course it is the 1st inning and mclellan is the ump
2008-06-27 11:40:55
43.   weeping for brunnhilde
40 That's how you win ballgames, by picking up runs via "not much" hits.

I love it.

2008-06-27 11:41:14
44.   pistolpete
41 His mustache has never had the same mustachio-ness as it does this year, that's why.
2008-06-27 11:41:28
45.   randym77
31 I wouldn't mind giving Gardner a shot. He's a lefty, and we're kind of lefty-heavy as it is. But Melky's been pretty awful hitting from the righty side of the plate, so I don't think we'd lose anything there.

We shoulda traded Melky while he was hot.

2008-06-27 11:41:30
46.   tommyl
38 I don't think its the goal, but you can't measure it right out of the pitcher's hand because then you are just as likely to get his hand I'd think. I'm guessing here, but they are educated guesses.

Radar guns in general aren't all that reliable in a small mph range. Small variations like the type of gun, or say, where the operator is positioned can have big effects on the final reading. Guns give you a ballpark, so you know Joba throws harder than Andy and Moose, but after that its hard to tell if his 98 is faster than his 97.

2008-06-27 11:41:58
47.   weeping for brunnhilde
44 It's gotta be the shoes.
2008-06-27 11:42:11
48.   tommyl
Stop with the walks Dan.
2008-06-27 11:42:13
49.   SF Yanks
Giese reminds me of Karstens, both by how he looks and throws.
2008-06-27 11:42:36
50.   Eirias
38 Yep. Some of K-Rod's pitches are 104 mph at their release point. No-one thinks he throws that.
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2008-06-27 11:44:53
51.   OldYanksFan
Sorry to say I have a bad feeling about today and tonight.
2008-06-27 11:45:07
52.   SF Yanks
46 Yeah, and I suppose as long as it's coming from the same gun, the results will be consistent which is all that really matters.
2008-06-27 11:45:17
53.   pistolpete
Wha hoppen? Did A-Rod muff it?
2008-06-27 11:46:38
54.   randym77
53 No, it was a great stop. Not pastadiving A-Rod. But he ended up sitting on his butt. Kinda hard to throw someone out that way.
2008-06-27 11:47:31
55.   SF Yanks
53 He made a nice sliding grab to his left, but couldn't quite get the ball out of his glove. Then proceeded to throw to first when he should have just held onto it, allowing the runner to advance to third.
2008-06-27 11:48:20
56.   SF Yanks
Nice Giese!
2008-06-27 11:48:25
57.   mehmattski
53 He actually made a great diving stop, but then he unwisely tried to throw to first. Since the runner was going, he made it to third easily. Had A-Rod eaten the ball, it would be 1st and 2nd.

But, Giese gets out of it. Nice.

2008-06-27 11:49:10
58.   pistolpete
57 Wow is GameTrax behind. Still 1-2 on Reyes.
2008-06-27 11:49:24
59.   williamnyy23
51 You don't like Ponson?
2008-06-27 11:50:46
60.   tommyl
50 The point is what are you measuring? The ball starts deccelarating the second it leaves the pitcher's hand. Do you want the average speed? The top speed? The speed as it crosses the plate? These are all different things.
2008-06-27 11:51:28
61.   cult of basebaal
c'mon ripping robby! (the artist formerly known as rotten robbie)
2008-06-27 11:51:35
62.   SF Yanks
I think we can say now that Robbie's officially back.
2008-06-27 11:51:52
63.   weeping for brunnhilde
I was just about to say Cano should really hit this guy.

That action down and away is perfectly suited to Robby's strength.

2008-06-27 11:51:59
64.   mehmattski
59 I think Ponson is going to bomb miserably, and the Yankees lineup, which will feature four automatic outs (Cabrera, Molina, Christian, and Ponson) won't be able to compensate.
2008-06-27 11:52:17
65.   cult of basebaal
oh, that looked nice on gameday, low outside pitch driven into the left-center gap ... that's the robbie we've been waiting for
2008-06-27 11:53:06
66.   SF Yanks
60 Yes, that was precisely my question.
2008-06-27 11:55:04
67.   williamnyy23
60 A radar gun measures the fastest speed recognized by the instrument. Considering the speeds involved and the short distance, I don't think it matters much.
2008-06-27 11:55:45
68.   JoeInRI
what happened with Christian?
2008-06-27 11:56:06
69.   ms october
64 if it's any consolation supposedly damon is going to play tonight

i also think ponson is going to bomb - i witnessed it live the last time he was with the yanks - which was truly miserable - but as the mets announcers have pointed out they have 4 or 5 automatic outs too, so hopefully the damage is someone limited to wright and beltran

2008-06-27 11:56:06
70.   pistolpete
68 4-3, FC
2008-06-27 11:56:16
71.   williamnyy23
A lead off double followed by three anemic ABs. I am glad Girardi has Melky in position to make as many outs as possible.
2008-06-27 11:57:09
72.   JoeInRI
[70} Gameday is slow here, thanks.
2008-06-27 11:57:18
73.   pistolpete
71 Lemme guess, he swung at the first pitch and fisted it weakly to left.
2008-06-27 11:58:18
74.   williamnyy23
64 I am assuming Damon will play tonight. I hope so at least. Tonights game seems like a lock loss anyway. The Yankees better win this game, otherwise they are looking a disaster of a weekend.
2008-06-27 11:59:56
75.   mehmattski
73 The first pitch almost hit him in the shoelaces, so he flied out feebly on the second pitch instead.
2008-06-27 12:00:01
76.   williamnyy23
Mr. Giese doesn't look as sharp today. Losing Wang really, really sucks.
2008-06-27 12:01:46
77.   pistolpete
Castillo is going to give us fits today. He'll be the one hitting a solo HR off of Farnsworth later today to take the lead in the 10th.
2008-06-27 12:06:25
78.   randym77
Gawd, I hope this doesn't go to extras. I don't think our old, beat up team will handle it well. Especially with the heat today.
2008-06-27 12:08:11
79.   mehmattski
Is Mussina available to pitch today?
2008-06-27 12:08:25
80.   OldYanksFan
59 Well, he seems like a very nice guy, but I'm not sure how good a pitcher he is. Who's pitching tonight for the Mets?
2008-06-27 12:09:59
81.   williamnyy23
Yikes...this could get ugly fast. This would have been a perfect weekend to spend on an island with no connection to the outside world.
2008-06-27 12:10:17
82.   OldYanksFan
well shit.
2008-06-27 12:11:03
83.   rsmith51
Wouldn't be a Yankee/Mets game if I didn't complain about the Yanks not signing Beltran. Especially since they signed Damon a year later.
2008-06-27 12:11:36
84.   mehmattski
83 You should check the previous thread for a lengthy discussion of said topic.
2008-06-27 12:12:42
85.   williamnyy23
Geise and Rasner have been nice stories, but I just can't see how the Yankees will be able to survive the summer with those two taking a regular turn.
2008-06-27 12:13:15
86.   monkeypants
71 Pete Abe has made two separate but related posts on his game thread;

UPDATE, 2:22 p.m.: Does anybody else find Melky Cabrera (.317 OBP) a curious choice to hit leadoff? I realize Damon can't play both games on a sore foot. But Jeter? I'd even put Abreu there.

Derek Jeter has played in all 62 games. He has hit .386 against the Mets with a .437 OBP and 26 RBI.

Does Jeter ever get a day off?

2008-06-27 12:13:58
87.   ms october
79 i'm pretty sure i heard the mets announcers say that moose would not pitch all weekend and they might move him up to monday, which would be joba's day. who knows if they know what the hell they are talking about. maybe it makes sense to give joba an extra day of rest after throwing a lot of pitches the last start or so.

i know a lot of people like the mets booth but i am finding keith hernadez annoying.

2008-06-27 12:14:57
88.   mehmattski
Other than the 8-9-1 spots, Pelfrey hasn't looked dominating either. This game is far from over.
2008-06-27 12:15:00
89.   williamnyy23
It's a second guess on my part, but you really can't let Beltran beat you when you see what's hitting behind him.
2008-06-27 12:17:05
90.   mehmattski
87 But he's Keith Hernandez!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcaq4ElAJrE

Jeter proves my point 88 right on cue.

2008-06-27 12:17:21
91.   monkeypants
86 And of course I misread his post--that's all 62 Mets-Yankees games.

But the point still stands: Posada will only play one game today (he could have DH in game 1 and C in game 2). Giambi will only play one game in the field. Damon will only play 1 game.