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Stop: Joba Time
2008-06-25 12:22
by Alex Belth
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

Yanks need a lift from their young gun.  I expect the offense will get the led out too.

Let's Go Yan-Kees!

Comments (243)
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2008-06-25 14:39:20
1.   ChrisS
I, for one, welcome our new Joba overlords.

From the crystal ball:

No BBs, 7Ks, 7 IP, 2 ER (the lefty McClouth gets him)

(understated and dignified) John Sterling: yankees win. ah. yankees win.

2008-06-25 14:44:13
2.   OldYanksFan
Dang! That guy was once a fatso? Looking good to me! (and I mean that in a purely heterosexual context)
2008-06-25 14:55:39
3.   Rob Middletown CT
Hey Joba, which glove is yours?

Joba: the one that says Badassmuthafucka on it.

2008-06-25 15:19:11
4.   NotoriousBOX
3. Nice... haha.

1. I agree, McClouth has the gusto to pull that slider if it hangs up too long.

2008-06-25 15:29:07
5.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Please Joba, Don't Hurt Them, you're 2 Legit 2 Quit...(where IS Mr. Burrell these days anyway??)
2008-06-25 15:54:36
6.   randym77
We may not have seen the last of Andy Phillips. He did not clear waivers. The Mets claimed him.
2008-06-25 16:10:07
7.   RIYank
Not impressed with Duke.
2008-06-25 16:11:33
8.   RIYank
That looks like the kind of play our infield makes.
Oh, A-Rod did that with the slide. Ha!
2008-06-25 16:13:12
9.   RIYank
Come on, Toaster, I want some Banter!
2008-06-25 16:13:20
10.   Yankees Brasil
At least we got lucky today.
2008-06-25 16:14:20
11.   randym77
Not pastadiving Wilson. Nice play.
2008-06-25 16:15:18
12.   RIYank
11 Must be on an Atkins diet or something.
2008-06-25 16:15:50
13.   Just fair
1 I was thinking 8 IP, 15 k's, 0 ER's.
Is that too much to ask?
Oh, and 2 hits just to keep it reasonable. : )
2008-06-25 16:20:01
14.   RIYank
No Ks, but efficient, so I'm happy.
2008-06-25 16:20:49
15.   Alex Belth
Nice easy 1-2-3 for Joba and a great hard-nosed play by Rodriguez in the first to help disrupt that sure double play and help the Yanks score two. I'm sure Joe G was happy to see that. Man, nifty play by Wilson to end the first and rob Posada too.
2008-06-25 16:22:31
16.   RIYank
Wilson is just a vacuum cleaner.
2008-06-25 16:26:05
17.   Alex Belth
That Joba at bat was wildly entertaining. Jeter and Jorge getting on him, laughing.
2008-06-25 16:26:11
18.   cult of basebaal
alright joba ... just get up and get down ... no need to hurt yourself swinging or running
2008-06-25 16:26:27
19.   RIYank
Uh oh.
Don't slide. Don't try for an extra base. Don't do anything. Don't run. Don't walk.

Ugh.

2008-06-25 16:27:30
20.   cult of basebaal
17 yeah, laugh it up jetes, it's not like the pitchers haven't had a better start to this series at the plate than you have.
2008-06-25 16:27:31
21.   Yankees Brasil
Why would you put your worst bat at the top of the lineup?
2008-06-25 16:27:49
22.   Just fair
I was hoping Joba would steal in honor of William. : )
Yeah, Jorge and Jeter laughing away in the dugout was priceless. Good Stuff.
2008-06-25 16:27:54
23.   randym77
The pitcher works a 7-pitch walk, and the leadoff hitter grounds out on the second pitch. Go figure.
2008-06-25 16:28:02
24.   RIYank
Whew.
Well, that worked out nicely. Now Jeter leads off the third, and we'll get two good righty bats at least. With any luck at all, Posada gets a shot from the right side too.
2008-06-25 16:30:32
25.   Alex Belth
There goes the no no...lol
2008-06-25 16:31:11
26.   RIYank
25 Pretty good pitch, too.
2008-06-25 16:31:30
27.   Yankees Brasil
That ball was right next to Giambi..
2008-06-25 16:32:08
28.   RIYank
Oh, man. That sucked. Bloop.
2008-06-25 16:32:24
29.   Alex Belth
"perfectly placed bloop single by Jason Bay." Drat.
2008-06-25 16:34:28
30.   RIYank
Ahhhhhhh. Beautiful slider.
2008-06-25 16:34:53
31.   Just fair
I like the Posada pick-off to Giambi. But there has got to be a way for him to know it's coming so he can get in better position. Otherwise, it's pointless.
Phew, someone able to get out LaRoche.
2008-06-25 16:35:46
32.   cult of basebaal
gas face!
2008-06-25 16:36:39
33.   RIYank
31 I'm sure Posada gives a sign when he's planning that throw. No??
2008-06-25 16:36:57
34.   OldYanksFan
Joba is so darn confident out there!
2008-06-25 16:37:34
35.   RIYank
Hm, pitch carefully to Wilson with the pitcher on-deck? Or blow the turkey away with three fastballs?
2008-06-25 16:39:38
36.   RIYank
Oh, Bobby baby. Gorgeous.
2008-06-25 16:39:42
37.   nick
no, do not load the bases for the pitcher....
2008-06-25 16:39:57
38.   Just fair
33 I would hope so. But every time Giambi catches it he's got to turn 180 degrees. Hey, Bobby put one on the line. DOPE.
2008-06-25 16:40:46
39.   RIYank
Yeah, it makes sense. Abreu was playing really shallow, but with Duke coming up you send Doumit anyway. I guess just praying that Abreu or Posada makes some big mistake.
2008-06-25 16:40:48
40.   randym77
Crazy. Why would they send a catcher in that situation?
2008-06-25 16:41:14
41.   cult of basebaal
NICE throw, bobby!
2008-06-25 16:41:16
42.   nick
wow, I've got a long delay, it would seem...
2008-06-25 16:41:21
43.   OldYanksFan
Hey! A nice throw by Bobby!
2008-06-25 16:41:44
44.   mehmattski
Just getting here. For consistency's sake:

It's Peanut Butter Joba Time!

Now I feel better.

2008-06-25 16:42:15
45.   mehmattski
40 With the pitcher up next, there wasn't much choice- gotta take the risk.
2008-06-25 16:43:35
46.   RIYank
Yeah, 40 , see 39 .

Wow, amazing. Every freaking play has involved Wilson, seems like!

2008-06-25 16:43:35
47.   mehmattski
That was a clutch forced error by Jeter. That's why he's captain.
2008-06-25 16:44:20
48.   randym77
45 Eh. Maybe if you had speed on the basepaths. But that was ridiculous. Bernie Williams could have thrown Doumit out.
2008-06-25 16:44:29
49.   ms october
glad the pirates got the dropsies tonight
2008-06-25 16:46:07
50.   mehmattski
Weird, Doumit is apparently using hand signals rather than finger signals behind the plate. I wonder why?
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2008-06-25 16:46:13
51.   cult of basebaal
c'mon bobby, stop taking those weak ass hacks at crappy loopy breaking balls
2008-06-25 16:47:09
52.   OldYanksFan
We MUST get this run in!
2008-06-25 16:48:14
53.   OldYanksFan
Shitfuck!
2008-06-25 16:48:44
54.   RIYank
Could Jeter steal here??
2008-06-25 16:49:26
55.   OldYanksFan
Jeter should steal home. They are giving it to him!
2008-06-25 16:49:51
56.   RIYank
Giambino! Great hitting, just perfect.
2008-06-25 16:49:56
57.   mehmattski
Take that, shift!
2008-06-25 16:50:37
58.   RIYank
I think Jeter really helped there -- Duke was obviously very distracted.
2008-06-25 16:51:19
59.   Yankees Brasil
Giambi picks up Alex! Great.
2008-06-25 16:51:32
60.   OldYanksFan
A Maple bat base hit.
2008-06-25 16:53:12
61.   RIYank
Yeah, Jorgie!
I'm enjoying this game. Duke is very hittable, and we're doing little things right.
2008-06-25 16:53:39
62.   ms october
the dark mustchiosi continues to blaze on the base paths!!

posada driving the ball up the middle is so nice to watch.

2008-06-25 16:54:24
63.   ms october
62 whoops mustachioso - sorry chyll
2008-06-25 16:55:43
64.   RIYank
62 Posada: yeah, that makes me happy. Not a Hall of Fame swing like some guys who bat earlier in the line-up, but so satisfying. It sucked when he was on the DL.
2008-06-25 16:55:57
65.   OldYanksFan
The is a very tall, very ugly guy pitching for the D-Backs against Boston. He does throw hard. Sox up, 1-0.
2008-06-25 16:56:31
66.   Just fair
I know Jeter scored, but I really would have liked to have seen him steal home. That situation was beggin'....
2008-06-25 16:57:16
67.   mehmattski
65 Gheorghe Mureşan?
2008-06-25 16:57:34
68.   RIYank
Uh.
2008-06-25 16:58:14
69.   RIYank
Okay 68 that's more like it.
2008-06-25 17:06:18
70.   mehmattski
What a bunt!
2008-06-25 17:07:26
71.   mehmattski
Let's see if the Yankees can score a run without hitting a ball more than 30 feet.
2008-06-25 17:09:07
72.   nick
You're motoring! What's your price for flight?
2008-06-25 17:09:42
73.   RIYank
71 Nope.

By the way, 68 & 69 were when Joba went 3-0 to Duke, then struck him out.

2008-06-25 17:11:33
74.   mehmattski
Jeter! Another double! Welcome back, Cap!
2008-06-25 17:12:33
75.   RIYank
20 You, cult, Captain is hitting okay today.
2008-06-25 17:13:04
76.   cult of basebaal
captain, my captain ... did my jibe spark you?
2008-06-25 17:13:27
77.   cult of basebaal
75 yes, me cult ... you not
2008-06-25 17:16:38
78.   cult of basebaal
man, it's amazing how many of the yankees in the all-star game commercial on mlb.tv appear to have taken acting notes from Roger Dorn; there's more wood in that commercial than backstage at a porn gangbang ...
2008-06-25 17:18:11
79.   3rd gen yankee fan
Wow that photo of Joba is really sexy.
2008-06-25 17:18:35
80.   cult of basebaal
nice to see joba brought his uncle charlie to the park tonite ... that's a damn fine pitch
2008-06-25 17:19:09
81.   RIYank
Okay, that was the easy inning he needed.

Great game.

2008-06-25 17:20:08
82.   RIYank
77 Of course, by 'you' I meant 'yo'.
2008-06-25 17:24:14
83.   cult of basebaal
82 =)
2008-06-25 17:25:36
84.   mehmattski
If there's anyone else getting the FSN Pittsburgh feed, this kid they've got on is something else. He sounds more mature than most adults I know. The world would be a lot better off with more perspective like his.
2008-06-25 17:28:04
85.   ms october
84 yeah i saw that as well. it is amazing how strong spirited he is - and fully agree with your last statement.
2008-06-25 17:29:32
86.   Just fair
Dear Darryl Rasner,
I really miss you. Please come back.
Love,
Adam LaRoche
2008-06-25 17:31:33
87.   RIYank
Ugh. 4-pitch walk to Bautista. Two of those pitches were awfully good, I thought. The second one might have been a little high, I guess the last one might have been low, but they looked pretty good.
2008-06-25 17:35:22
88.   cult of basebaal
anyone know what that on the left side of joba's jersey by his neck? almost looks like the leather ties you might see dangling from a glove, only a pale cream color ... odd.
2008-06-25 17:35:53
89.   randym77
Andy Phillips will be joining the Mets on Friday, for the crosstown doubleheader.
2008-06-25 17:37:06
90.   dianagramr
88

probably a midge repellent strip ...

2008-06-25 17:37:43
91.   Alex Belth
C'mon Joba...pitch count rising in this inning. Big jam to get out of...
2008-06-25 17:38:04
92.   Shaun P
Yanks get creamed last night, and by 8:35 PM, there are over 160 comments. Tonight, Joba joba joba chamberlain (sorry they didn't let you in, Mr. George; but anything to get Can't Touch This out of my head) is dominating and we haven't cracked the century mark yet? Ouch.

I will do my part!

2008-06-25 17:39:59
93.   randym77
88 It looks like a necklace to me. Maybe one of those Native American leather ones?
2008-06-25 17:42:01
94.   mehmattski
Joba gets another inning. Make it quick and he'll get two.
2008-06-25 17:42:02
95.   nick
92 commenting is like drinking--it eases the pain....or, maybe, it's like picking the scab of defeat.

Meanwhile, the Yanks booth is hilarious. The claim seems to be that Jeter is to be admired for not admitting to injury and doing a shitty job while playing hurt. What am I missing here?

....and the K!

2008-06-25 17:42:21
96.   Shaun P
Bam! 8th inning what now?

I love that Joba is throwing the curve tonight, and getting strikes with it.

2008-06-25 17:42:26
97.   RIYank
There ya go. The Ks are coming now...

Morgan is not a good hitter. I think maybe I would have let Duke hit and used my pinch hitter for Morgan.

Speaking of which: pinch hit for Joba this inning? If anybody is on base, I'd say yes.

2008-06-25 17:43:25
98.   RIYank
96 I had to read that a couple of times. Now I get it.

"8th inning what, now?"

2008-06-25 17:43:51
99.   mehmattski
92 When the Yankees are in the lead, what's to screech about, and make wildly illogical statements based on anecdotal evidence? This of course reduces the number of posts by mp and I refuting these statements.

Hey, It's TJ Beam! Maybe now we'll see what all the excitement was about!

2008-06-25 17:44:15
100.   ms october
93 yeah i think so too, some times it comes out of his shirt and that's what it looks like to me.

92 good call.

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2008-06-25 17:44:37
101.   randym77
Hey, it's Bat Boy!
2008-06-25 17:46:19
102.   randym77
And Bat Boy may be heading back to Indianapolis soon.
2008-06-25 17:46:39
103.   mehmattski
Oh I see what the excitement about TJ Beam was! He's the answer to the question:

Which pitcher in the major is actually so bad that Cano can hit a 400 foot home run?

2008-06-25 17:46:45
104.   Alex Belth
Oh, Doctor, what a shot.
2008-06-25 17:47:35
105.   Shaun P
Its nice to see TJ Beam get a shot in the bigs - and even better that he gives up a HR to Cano!
2008-06-25 17:47:42
106.   Alex Belth
Seems like the Big Unit and Wake have a good duel going on up a the Fens too.
2008-06-25 17:47:44
107.   cult of basebaal
yay! robbie!
2008-06-25 17:47:45
108.   RIYank
99 You underestimate the resources of a true Cassandra, mehmattski. If a good opportunity arises I will demonstrate.
2008-06-25 17:48:02
109.   Alex Belth
Joba is going yard here...
2008-06-25 17:48:49
110.   Alex Belth
Ah, he missed his pitch.
2008-06-25 17:48:53
111.   mehmattski
I say if Joba goes yard he should be allowed to complete his shutout, no matter how many pitches.
2008-06-25 17:49:24
112.   Shaun P
101 Beam's new Gameday photo looks a heck of a lot better than the old one.

99 I must be strange; I prefer watching when the Yanks are winning.

2008-06-25 17:51:07
113.   RIYank
Damn, if Melky had made out after a 3-1 count I was going to bitch about it.
I promise, I'm going to find something.
2008-06-25 17:51:08
114.   mehmattski
I think Melky would have an OBP around .450 if he had to face the Pirates every game.
2008-06-25 17:52:01
115.   RIYank
114 It's true, and his second out of the game was well hit, too -- line drive to center.
2008-06-25 17:52:47
116.   randym77
112 I dunno, he still looks kinda scary to me.
2008-06-25 17:55:15
117.   mehmattski
Can't even complain about Jeter not taking pitches from a wild pitcher....
2008-06-25 17:55:28
118.   Shaun P
116 Still can't throw enough strikes, though.

C'mon Jeter! Draw the walk and get Bobby up there!

2008-06-25 17:56:12
119.   dianagramr
Buccaneers 14, Gators 0, Middle of the 5th quarter.
2008-06-25 17:57:14
120.   OldYanksFan
BUT WHO'S GONNA PITCH THE 8TH!
2008-06-25 17:57:41
121.   RIYank
Goddam.

I give up. There's just nothing to complain about.

2008-06-25 17:57:52
122.   cult of basebaal
man, i should insult jeter more often ... now, to turn my beams of negativity on bobby abreu ... c'mon you fat hamster, bust out the lumber!
2008-06-25 17:57:57
123.   OldYanksFan
BOSTON UP 2-0 AFTER 6.
2008-06-25 17:58:03
124.   Shaun P
I just noticed that the Yanks have walked 4 times tonight, but have not struck out even once. Sounds good to me!

119 Wow, Garcia must be having a good night! ;)

2008-06-25 17:58:17
125.   JoeInRI
119 That Gruden's a helluva coach . . .
2008-06-25 17:58:24
126.   mehmattski
Not quite in the Allegheny, but we'll take it.

Pirates announcer says that Bobby's home run last night was "wasted" but that tonight's was "meaningful." Don't think about it too much or your brain will bleed.

2008-06-25 17:58:24
127.   dianagramr
T.J. "High (and Deep)" Beam ...
2008-06-25 17:58:52
128.   Alex Belth
Man, he really got around on that...I rarely feel this, but I actually feel bad for TJ Beam here.
2008-06-25 17:58:59
129.   nick
Sterling is just not very bright, and all the media gushing about Jeter of his sort do more to spark Jeter-hatred than anything Jeter himself does...

Bobby baby!

2008-06-25 17:59:02
130.   cult of basebaal
122 man, i'm good!
2008-06-25 17:59:16
131.   Shaun P
122 cult, next time I need a pick me up, you go ahead and insult me, 'kay?

Alex called it - the offense is alive!

2008-06-25 17:59:31
132.   mehmattski
Tonight, the role of LaTroy Hawkins will be played by TJ Beam.... and soon, Sean Burnett.
2008-06-25 17:59:37
133.   Alex Belth
Yo, you called Abreu a fat hamster? That's mad funny, dude.
2008-06-25 17:59:41
134.   nick
122 Matt Stairs is the fat hamster of MLB ;-)
2008-06-25 17:59:52
135.   Yankees Brasil
Everytime we lose from now on, Girardi should say we stink. It seems to work.
2008-06-25 18:01:07
136.   Shaun P
128 For no particular reason, I've always rooted for Beam to succeed. Can't explain it.
2008-06-25 18:01:47
137.   JoeInRI
134 Prince Fielder
2008-06-25 18:02:10
138.   Shaun P
119 I also noticed that TB has turned the ball over 3 times, and they still haven't given up any points. Impressive.
2008-06-25 18:02:56
139.   JoeInRI
136 I used to feel the same way about Karim Garcia
2008-06-25 18:03:48
140.   dianagramr
138

Impressive considering they don't have Nick Punto to pin the Gators deep in their own territory.

2008-06-25 18:04:09
141.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
119 they running the old Texas wishbone?
rainy here and damn am I bored..Gameday not working either so I only got the Banter. more Pavano jokes please!
2008-06-25 18:04:21
142.   JoeInRI
140 You didn't just say that . . .
2008-06-25 18:04:40
143.   cult of basebaal
133 check out his gameday photo, he's got this round head with these giant, puffed out cheeks and a goofy smile ... he's totally a hamster

though when he hits like this, he's The Attack Hamster, which i took from a PJ O'Rourke essay, where he describes a military officer he meets as, "powerful-looking in a short, compressed way, like an attack hamster."

bobby abreu, attack hamster.

2008-06-25 18:05:05
144.   Shaun P
140 And the Niners are leading the Browns 3-0 late in the 7th. Maybe Zito just needed to face an AL team: 3 hits, no BB, 4 K.
2008-06-25 18:05:57
145.   mehmattski
All right, that's enough scary fly balls, Joba. Let's get a strikeout and call it a night.
2008-06-25 18:06:54
146.   RIYank
145 Okay.
2008-06-25 18:07:35
147.   mehmattski
145 He listens so well! What a nice boy!
2008-06-25 18:07:40
148.   Shaun P
Damn, Doumit can hit. Sigh. I still wish the Yanks had finagled him off of Littlefield's hands last year.

OK, Joba gets to start the 7th vs LaRoche, right?

2008-06-25 18:08:28
149.   cult of basebaal
he's got the gas face, 'cause that's some NASTY cheese!
2008-06-25 18:08:51
150.   OldYanksFan
Great Job by Joba. Now it's the circus for the 7th, 8th and 9th.
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2008-06-25 18:09:46
151.   Alex Belth
1 more of Joba, let's go.
2008-06-25 18:09:55
152.   Shaun P
106 I read somewhere today that Wakefield only needs another 30 or so starts to have started more games for the Sox than any other pitcher in their history. (Clemens has the # now.)

That's impressive on a bunch of levels. You think the Pirates wish they had held on to him?

2008-06-25 18:10:50
153.   JimCobain
152 Cy Young doesn't hold that record? That's wild.
2008-06-25 18:11:05
154.   dianagramr
Burnett has allowed 39 baserunners in 18 innings this year.
2008-06-25 18:11:30
155.   randym77
I think Karim Garcia is playing in Korea now.
2008-06-25 18:13:06
156.   mehmattski
153 Games started by Red Sox:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/RHhP

2008-06-25 18:13:56
157.   Mattpat11
This is the type of Yankee Baseball I like to see. Now lets get Mussina number 11 tomorrow.
2008-06-25 18:14:08
158.   nick
Joba coming back? is the idea that he needs to throw 110-15 to complete the stretching process?
2008-06-25 18:14:46
159.   cult of basebaal
good to see cano heating up
2008-06-25 18:15:48
160.   RIYank
156 Nice. Yeah, I was gonna say, "What about Cy Young?", but of course he pitched many years for Cleveland.
2008-06-25 18:16:21
161.   OldYanksFan
No need to push things with Joba with an 8 run lead. The guy has lots of time ahead of him (say 16 years or so?).
2008-06-25 18:17:42
162.   JimCobain
156 Thanks. 304 decisions in 327 games appeared for Cy Young, is WILD.
2008-06-25 18:18:17
163.   Travis08
155 Karim Garcia was leading the Korean Baseball Organization in All-Star votes as of two weeks ago.

http://tinyurl.com/3kvnlq

2008-06-25 18:18:27
164.   JimCobain
161 I agree, especially since he is on an innings limit this year, seems like a "waste"
2008-06-25 18:18:45
165.   RIYank
162 I think you missed the really wild part. Look at the CGs.
2008-06-25 18:21:39
166.   nick
can he get the Big Mink to complete 7?
2008-06-25 18:22:05
167.   Shaun P
153 What gets me is that the Sox have had some very good pitchers over the years, but for whatever reason, they never last long. Either they get old (Young), get traded (Pennock, Ruffing, Spaceman Lee, Eck, young Schilling), get hurt (Parnell), or aren't wanted at their asking price (Hurst, Rocket, Pedro). Or get moved to the OF and sold for a princely fee. ;)

Young set the tone; he only pitched 8 seasons in Boston.

I wonder which pitcher has appeared the most years in a Boston uniform?

2008-06-25 18:22:09
168.   bartap74
Scott Proctor hits the DL. No word yet on whether his arm is still attached to his body.
2008-06-25 18:23:28
169.   JimCobain
165 Also cool that Young and Clemens have basically the same record, and same number of shutouts. I guess Clemens was good before the steroids. :)
2008-06-25 18:24:37
170.   Shaun P
156 Awesome, thanks.

If I'm reading that list right, there isn't a single pitcher in the Hall of Fame with a Red Sox cap on his plaque. I wonder who will break that streak first: Clemens, or Pedro?

2008-06-25 18:25:25
171.   Travis08
FWIW, Karim Garcia is batting .249/.325/.506 in Korea. I can't imagine the major league equivalent is very good.

http://tinyurl.com/4y82dw

2008-06-25 18:25:52
172.   Shaun P
Even with Morgan up next, now I'd pull the kid. 114 pitches is plenty.
2008-06-25 18:25:58
173.   Mattpat11
Not a bad line at all, even if Ohlendorf predicably lets inherited runner score.
2008-06-25 18:26:10
174.   mehmattski
167 It's gotta be Clemens, 1984-1996...
2008-06-25 18:26:13
175.   randym77
163 Cool.

Seems like a lot of players are playing in Korea now, as a stepping stone to Japan and then MLB, or just to make more money than they'd get in the minors.

2008-06-25 18:26:36
176.   RIYank
A Scrabble punch-out would have been a nice finish.
I'm still applauding, though.
2008-06-25 18:27:00
177.   cult of basebaal
168 so much for his claims that he wasn't hurt and that it was just the fact he sucked.

RAB linked to a blogpost today that showed just how much Torre has used poor Scotty over the last couple of years ... especially given the fact that he hasn't been all that effective.

2008-06-25 18:28:00
178.   Mattpat11
177 It can't be both?
2008-06-25 18:28:22
179.   Shaun P
174 Actually, I think your list says its Wakefield: '95-'08 > '84-'96
2008-06-25 18:28:49
180.   ms october
170 i would say it has to be pedro. no telling if clemens gets in at this point and if he did, it doesn't seem it would be with the red sox hat on.
2008-06-25 18:28:54
181.   Mattpat11
If Michael Kay starts ranting about how FAST Ohlendorf throws despite his numbers, I may have to take action.
2008-06-25 18:29:05
182.   mehmattski
Wait. How has it gone this long?

Who is Karim Garcia?

2008-06-25 18:30:10
183.   mehmattski
Is there an easy place to check who has what cap as a hall of famer?
2008-06-25 18:30:59
184.   OldYanksFan
168 Actual, EDSP is on the DL but his arm is still in the BP.
2008-06-25 18:31:07
185.   mehmattski
183 Got it: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofmemu.shtml
2008-06-25 18:32:39
186.   Alex Belth
Hey Melk, got hits?
2008-06-25 18:32:46
187.   randym77
Wow, kinda surprising that Minky would say his dream is to get back to the Yankees. And that his year with the Yankees was the best of his career. He was practically murdered at 1B, and was out injured so long. That was better than winning a GG with the Twins? Better than winning the WS with the Sox?
2008-06-25 18:32:59
188.   mehmattski
Lefty Grove and Herb Pennock both have Red Sox caps on their Hall of Fame plaques.
2008-06-25 18:33:35
189.   Mattpat11
It'd be nice to see Jeter get going
2008-06-25 18:35:08
190.   Shaun P
185 I am wrong. Lefty Grove and Herb Pennock have Sox caps on their plaques? That is just wrong. Grove pitched more years with the As, Pennock more with the Yanks.

OK, Pennock doesn't bother, but I do not think of Lefty Grove as a Red Sox.

2008-06-25 18:35:10
191.   RIYank
Lefty Grove, of course.
2008-06-25 18:35:54
192.   cult of basebaal
c'mon Attack Hamster!
2008-06-25 18:35:56
193.   mehmattski
188 This, despite Pennock having his three best years with the Yankees and winning three World Series with them.
2008-06-25 18:35:59
194.   Shaun P
190 "doesn't bother me" (sorry)
2008-06-25 18:36:21
195.   ms october
i guess bobby did not appreciate being called a fat hamster!! :}
2008-06-25 18:36:51
196.   mehmattski
189 Um? Two doubles isn't enough? Or do you mean sustained going?
2008-06-25 18:37:19
197.   Shaun P
Molina pinch hits for A-Rod? Who plays 3rd, Betemit? OK, then who plays 1B, Posada? And Molina catches?

This is just too weird.

2008-06-25 18:37:54
198.   cult of basebaal
oh, lovely, a molina at bat ... that's what i stayed around to see
2008-06-25 18:39:25
199.   RIYank
I'm glad I don't have to fill out a score card for this one.
2008-06-25 18:39:45
200.   mehmattski
Here's Pennock's plaque:

http://209.23.71.87/hofers_and_honorees/plaques/pennock_herb.htm

It's tough to tell but there is a B up there.

Lefty's is more clearly Boston:

http://209.23.71.87/hofers_and_honorees/plaques/grove_lefty.htm

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2008-06-25 18:39:47
201.   Shaun P
"Pinch hitter Jose Molina" is almost as bad as "starting first baseman Miguel Cairo" or "starting right fielder Enrique Wilson".
2008-06-25 18:40:08
202.   ms october
197 well if moeller comes in then it is really weird.

i would like to know more about how they decide which hat a player goes in wearing.
my friend (a big mets fan) and i were trying to figure out what piazza would go in as - of course he wanted him in as a met; though i think a pretty good case could be made for him as a dodger - but who knows.

2008-06-25 18:40:25
203.   Travis08
That Mohegan Sun commercial makes "U Can't Touch This" look really, really good in comparison.
2008-06-25 18:40:27
204.   Mattpat11
196 I meant if this game got him going, but his numbers of late have actually been much better than I thought they were. He's been hitting a fairly quiet .348/.444/.435 over the last week.
2008-06-25 18:40:36
205.   mehmattski
Poor Chad Moeler. When you're wasting a roster spot, you should at least get into the game during a blowout...
2008-06-25 18:40:43
206.   nick
how can Sterling and Waldman even THINK using Rivera tonight would be a good idea?
2008-06-25 18:41:25
207.   Shaun P
Gameday is so flustered by Molina pinch hitting, its frozen up!

So Moeller is the only healthy guy left on the bench - does he hit for Ohlendorf, or does Ross bat for himself?

2008-06-25 18:42:22
208.   Just fair
Is the vender behind home plate happy or angry that he has to wear an old-timey baeball uni?
2008-06-25 18:42:38
209.   cult of basebaal
207 he just did
2008-06-25 18:42:42
210.   mehmattski
207 Ohlendorf batted for himself, swung at the first pitch and hit a sharp line drive... right at the first baseman for the final out.
2008-06-25 18:44:34
211.   Shaun P
206 They don't know any better?

202 It used to be that the player picked, though I don't know how long that went on. Then, after it was rumored that George was offering Winfield $100K to go in with a Yankees cap, the HoF took the choice away from the player and makes the final decision itself. IIRC, it will consider the player's wishes, but need not follow them.

I think Piazza goes in as a Met, and rightfully so.

2008-06-25 18:44:55
212.   Mattpat11
Its almost a shame that Wilson is playing third. I would have enjoyed another round of "Gonzalez vs the Pop Up"
2008-06-25 18:46:48
213.   Bruce Markusen
MS, it used to be that players themselves decided which cap would be represented on their Hall of Fame plaques. Then, a few years ago, as it became public that some players were signing contracts with clauses dictating the cap logo, the Hall of Fame decided to step in and change the process. Wade Boggs' contract with Tampa Bay was really the tipping point on this.

So now the Hall reserves the right to make the decision, though they will take some input from the player. Basically, the Hall tries to ask this question: with which team is a player best remembered? Service time, along with where your prime seasons fell, are the two big factors in answering that question.

2008-06-25 18:48:32
214.   ms october
211 213 thanks for the information.
2008-06-25 18:49:08
215.   RIYank
Ah, Bronx Banter, where all your questions get answered, or your money back! For your Hall of Fame questions, we have Bruce Markusen, no less!
2008-06-25 18:49:46
216.   RIYank
So, Mattpat, hard to fault Ross O. on that performance. Four batters, three Ks.
2008-06-25 18:50:46
217.   mehmattski
Better pace yourself, Robinson. That's like a week's worth of hits in one game.
2008-06-25 18:51:01
218.   Just fair
Tampa Bay beating Floriday 15-1. Boo.
At least this is the SERIES that Cano gets it going. : )
2008-06-25 18:52:30
219.   RIYank
217 Yeah, but I think it's the week of May 13th - 20th, so don't worry.
2008-06-25 18:52:58
220.   mehmattski
Yeah if the old policy were still in place, the Marlins might try to get Piazza to go in with a fish on his cap...
2008-06-25 18:55:16
221.   ms october
218 the marlins have 2 now - watch out!
i guess it is too much to have gotten a bos or tb loss tonight - though i am not sure i like scoreboard watching this early.

mehmattski and others on extra innings - i really hope we get yes tomorrow - these pittsburgh annoucners are getting to be too much.
by the way since riyank has proclaimed tonight as answer night - anyone know the process for which station you get on extra innings?

2008-06-25 18:55:33
222.   OldYanksFan
Anybody listening to the Pittsburg announcers on MLB.TV? They are doing George Carlin! Are they toking up in the booth?
2008-06-25 18:55:38
223.   nick
Cano is so strange; I've seen maybe 3 stat-based arguments that say Cano is simply unlucky (based on BABIP and line drive % as I recall)--and yet our observations are pretty uniform: we think he often looks clueless up there.

Anybody looked at his career month-by-month recently?

2008-06-25 18:55:55
224.   Shaun P
220 But they are poor! They can't afford anything until their new stadium is built! What would they offer him, two dimes?

/sarcasm off

Grabow's primarly role is to get lefties out, so of course, his first out is a RHB.

2008-06-25 18:57:34
225.   Shaun P
223 I don't remember the month-by-month numbers, but I know Cano completely murdalizes the ball after the ASB. Its the only reason I haven't dropped him from my fantasy team.

221 Don't know about on cable, but on DirecTV, we've been getting both home and away feeds.

2008-06-25 18:59:09
226.   nick
well, instead of our closer with a 10-0 lead, we use our 2nd best pitcher....is this really so difficult, people? what's the upside of this move?
2008-06-25 18:59:26
227.   mehmattski
221 222 I stopped listening to them when they started rattling off the Yankees' salaries. Watching EI/MLB.tv for a few years has shown me that this is common practice for announcers on small market teams.

Give me Kay-Cone-Flaherty or Singleton-Murcer any day.

2008-06-25 19:01:09
228.   OldYanksFan
222 I don't know. Listening to both these guys trading Carlin lines back and forth is pretty amusing.
2008-06-25 19:02:00
229.   Travis08
223 Cano's career OPS by month:

March/April: .612
May: .699
June: .816
July: .922
August: .807
September/October: .981

http://tinyurl.com/4av7pf

2008-06-25 19:04:44
230.   ms october
225 thanks shaun.

227 agreed - as annoyong as michael kay can be at times i will take a yes booth any day i am watching a yankee game

2008-06-25 19:07:14
231.   RIYank
Okay, time for a celebratory bourbon? Anyone?
2008-06-25 19:08:25
232.   mehmattski
231 Highlands Gaelic Ale right here.

Joba Rules.

Goodnight all!

2008-06-25 19:08:48
233.   ms october
231 i bet mr. chamberlain will take you up on that.

more evidence of the stupidity of the save -based on the box score paps gets a save for getting one out in a 5-0 game

2008-06-25 19:11:04
234.   OldYanksFan
233 That is NOT a Save. Must be an error.
If was good to get the game in, considering tonight's weather forecast.
2008-06-25 19:12:35
235.   RIYank
233 Uh, really?? I wasn't following. Did he come in with the bases loaded or something?
2008-06-25 19:14:48
236.   Travis08
233 234 235 Bases loaded, 2 outs, up 5. The tying run was on deck, so he got the save.
2008-06-25 19:14:56
237.   ms october
234 235 yeah - based on the box score hansen walked 2 and gave up a hit - so seemingly the bases were loaded when paps came in - but whatever.
2008-06-25 19:15:44
238.   RIYank
Yeah, that's a save.
2008-06-25 19:31:58
239.   Shaun P
Lee Sinins, who I used to read regularly, at one point started referring to closers as "Show Up in the 9th guys", which made sense to me. Of course, its not Papelbon, or Mo, or anyone else who is a closer's fault that the save rule is so stupid. Its Jerome Holtzman's fault - and perhaps Tony LaRussa's and Eckersley's as well.
2008-06-25 19:33:01
240.   Shaun P
BTW, I heartily agree with the title of Jon Weisman's latest post at DT: "Ballplayers Who Conceal Injuries Are Not Heroes - They Are Egotistical Goats"

Did EDSP learn nothing from Tanyon Sturtze?

2008-06-25 19:46:36
241.   RIYank
Whoa, did you see that Shawn Chacon was suspended for fighting with his GM? And by fighting with, I mean grabbing by the neck and throwing to the ground.

tinyurl.com/4zv24y

2008-06-25 20:10:36
242.   Shaun P
241 Seems like Obi-Shawn slipped to the dark side momentarily. Not a wise move on his part.
2008-06-25 21:59:12
243.   Chyll Will
241 ,242 From tonight's Dodger Thoughts game thread (where reading is pundamental):

245. scooplew
144 You might say that Chacon got into a row vs. Wade (or you might not).

This pun, endorsed by fellow pundit Underdog, also receives my Seal of Approval >;)

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