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Razzmatazz

2008-06-11 16:47

by Alex Belth

It's Rasner vs. Duchscherer tonight in Oakland.

Can the Bombers jump to two whole games over .500?

I can't call it, man.

Let's Go Yanks!

Comments (189)

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2008-06-11 17:33:19

1. kylepetterson

Yanks 108 | A's -4

You heard it here first, folks

If you need me, I'll be in my office.

2008-06-11 18:46:08

2. RIYank

Google is down.
How is that possible???

2008-06-11 18:54:54

3. Shaun P

2 ??? I was just using Google to do some patent searches.

2008-06-11 19:02:40

4. Knuckles

I got no issues w/ Google. I do have issues w/ XM giving me the A's feed tonight.

2008-06-11 19:09:58

5. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

back to previous thread..my pop also said that Mantle could have been the best ever without the booze and injuries..even so his stats are still amazing. But Joe D...what a swing! Photos of him in action always capture something special...

Anyone see Schilling's blog yesterday about Kobe? some guy in LA Times just blasted him for it..so much fun to pile on Mr. Patriotism..

2008-06-11 19:14:17

6. OldYanksFan

Reposted from last thread (sorry)

In terms of career OPS+ and WinShares, it goes Mantle (6th, 3rd), Cobb, Mays, Joe (a bunch of OFers) and Junior.

It should be noted that Cobb played 24 seasons (with a 112 OPS+ in his last year), Willy 22 seasons (the last pretty much a dud), Mantle 16 and Joe D. played 13.

So,
B... Ruth 195.6 WS in 22 seasons
HWagner 179.0 WS in 21 seasons
MMantle. 178.4 WS in 16 seasons
Ty Cobb 173.6 WS in 24 seasons
W. Mays 164.6 WS in 22 seasons
Joe D.... 150.9 WS in 13 seasons

Imagine... Cobb play 50% longer then Mickey and almost twice as long as Joe D. Imagine if Joe and Mickey could have played 20 years.

2008-06-11 19:18:06

7. OldYanksFan

Everyone go to bed already?

2008-06-11 19:22:24

8. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

7 not here OYF, 11:20am! :)
Joe D robbed by WWII but how old was he when he retired?
man, still can't get over that strike out info about him and Yogi...impossible!

2008-06-11 19:26:58

9. 3rd gen yankee fan

I bet the Oakland fans loved that homer.

2008-06-11 19:27:41

10. mehmattski

Cy Rasner and the Giambino are hard at work already!

2008-06-11 19:29:02

11. tommyl

I like the Ruthian version of Jason Giambi. Can he stay for awhile?

2008-06-11 19:29:56

12. OldYanksFan

MVP?

2008-06-11 19:31:13

13. ny2ca2dc

11 So do I. At some point Giambi is going to look like a really good alternative to Tiexiera for next year... I bet he'd take a Mussina-type 2 yr x 10M per contract. Might be worth it too. Sure looks like it was the injuries that hobbled him, not just age/decline.

2008-06-11 19:32:19

14. Shaun P

8 Remember too that back then, many (most?) pitchers did not try to strike guys out. Pitch to contact was the name of the game.

For example, in 1950 when Yogi struck out just 12 times, Bob Lemon struck out the most batters in the AL with 170 (in 288 IP). Early Wynn led the AL in K/9, with 6.02. Fred Hutchinson of the Tigers led the AL in K:BB, with 1.48.

In comparison, in 2008, CC Sabathia leads the AL in Ks with 87 (in 91.3 IP). Wynn's 6.02 K/9 would be 25th in the AL in 2008, and Hutchinson's 1.48 K:BB would be 41st in the AL.

2008-06-11 19:32:27

15. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

13 yep...not that i was one of those callnif for his DFAing earlier this year..ummm...but 2 x 10m sounds great. really tired of endless contracts for lumbering slugger types, i say stay away from Tex...

2008-06-11 19:33:20

16. cult of basebaal

5 i've got no problems with what schilling wrote, he's not the first to call kobe out for slagging his teammates during games and generally behaving like a selfish, self-absorbed prick.

in any case, there are few sports writers who are bigger douche-nozzles than tj simers. he's in an elite class, along with mariotti and plaschke (also from the times, what an awful sports section) of writers whose "opinions" are worse than worthless.

2008-06-11 19:33:43

17. tommyl

Rasner is giving a clinic in how to pitch. For all the guys that can throw 95mph, all you have to do is pitch. Mix speeds, change the batter's eye level and voila, you're a good pitcher.

2008-06-11 19:34:28

18. Shaun P

13 Beware the hitter in his free agent year!

I'd prefer the Yanks offer Giambi no more than a 1 year deal - he will be 38 - and for not a lot of dough, either. They are going to pay his $5M buyout - why should they pay him another $10M?

In any case, I am still happy to see him crushing the ball, and I hope he stays healthy.

2008-06-11 19:35:01

19. Just fair

Rasner got seriously jobbed his last start. I hope he throws another gem to stay on the path to righteousness.
Or something like that. He's certainly off to a good start.

2008-06-11 19:35:45

20. cult of basebaal

nice start for the Raz!

2008-06-11 19:36:22

21. OldYanksFan

17 Really, Raz pitches like a cool veteran. He looks so relaxed out there.

Soriano out for 6+ weeks with a broken hand (HBP).

2008-06-11 19:37:18

22. Shaun P

15 If Teixeira could be had for 4 years though . . . and he's not exactly a lumbering slugger. He's got a very good glove and, IIRC, is considered very athletic.

The biggest difference is that Tex will be 29 next year; Giambi was 31 when he played his first season in pinstripes. Those 2 years can make an awful lot of difference.

2008-06-11 19:37:45

23. ny2ca2dc

I love watching Raz when he's on. (OK i like watching any of our guys pitch well...) Just reminds me of what Kennedy is/should be/could be/will be.

2008-06-11 19:38:26

24. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

16 totally unfamiliar with the LA Times so take our word for it. But Kobe gets a raw deal, MJ did the same (if not worse) to his teamamtes...
And Schilling still a complete buttwipe...

2008-06-11 19:38:27

25. ny2ca2dc

22 I don't think there's any chance Tex signs for less than 6 years at over 100 mil.

2008-06-11 19:38:52

26. tommyl

Hey, a walk! I remember when we used to get those all the time.

2008-06-11 19:40:15

27. Just fair

OYF. Did ya catch Billy Wagner giving up a 2 out 3 run homer in the ninth to blow a 3-0 lead? LIfe's not getting any rosier in Queens.

2008-06-11 19:40:21

28. tommyl

23 Just remember, Kennedy is all of 23. Rasner is 27 and was released by the Nationals (who now have Ty Clip in their rotation). I think both Hughes and IPK will be just fine, it just might take some time. The key is for the Yankees to stay with them.

2008-06-11 19:41:59

29. tommyl

27 And Dodger Thoughts had a post today wondering why Kuo (one of their best relievers) never pitches while Scott Proctor is brought in to every game even though he sucks.

Hmmm...where have I heard something like that before?

2008-06-11 19:42:06

30. OldYanksFan

Giambi said he would LIKE to play another 3 years. Shef got 2 years at $14m and Jason almost always has better numbers.

What's a .900+ OPS guys worth? Neither Beltran or Sori are consistantly at .900 and they make $17-18m. Drew makes $15m. If Jason is healthy at the end of the year, the Yankee's best bet might be to exercise their option, which would cost $17m, but only a one year commitment.

2008-06-11 19:42:43

31. 3rd gen yankee fan

Go former A's! (and Jeter)

2008-06-11 19:43:26

32. 3rd gen yankee fan

29 Ouch for DT.

2008-06-11 19:43:37

33. Just fair

How come Damon left his high socks in the Bronx?
Must score at least 2 runs out of this. Please.

2008-06-11 19:44:16

34. tommyl

Yeah, that was kind of a strike to Bobby right there.

2008-06-11 19:44:20

35. OldYanksFan

27 Jeez... poor Willie. The Mets were already riding a 5 game losing streak. Come back Willie. We still luv ya in da Bronx.

2008-06-11 19:45:16

36. OldYanksFan

Have we been 3 games over .500 yet this year?

2008-06-11 19:45:23

37. tommyl

Damnit Bobby, you have to put that ball in play. Ok A-Rod time to pick him up.

2008-06-11 19:46:01

38. nick

facing Duchscherer....a guy who must inevitably be nicknamed "the Duch"...or should it be "the Duchsch"?

2008-06-11 19:46:28

39. tommyl

36 No

2008-06-11 19:47:20

40. Just fair

36 I think the tv guys said the other night that 2 over was the high water mark a long time ago. In a galaxy far, far away.

2008-06-11 19:48:17

41. tommyl

Doh, that was not good. Alex looks really confused by Douche.

2008-06-11 19:48:36

42. Just fair

Like I said, strand both runners on 2 caught lookings.
Double shite.

2008-06-11 19:49:00

43. monkeypants

30 We rarely agree, but I'm with you on this one. If Giambi stays healthy and hits and shows he can play some in the field, the Yanks should strongly consider resigning him. I would by him out for 5 million and then offer a two year deal--for how much, I have no idea. 10 million/year? 12 million/year?

2008-06-11 19:49:08

44. Shaun P

D'oh. Duchscherer made some good pitches there. At least the Yanks made him throw a lot (23 pitches that inning).

2008-06-11 19:49:11

45. mehmattski

38 Could he be the "Biggest Duchsch In the Universe?"

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/153799

2008-06-11 19:49:27

46. nick

41 ok, I'll burn in hell for this, but what should the A's announcers say if they think the ump is giving Duchscherer a small strike zone this evening?

2008-06-11 19:51:22

47. tommyl

Well, he might hit like Ruth but he fields like shit.

2008-06-11 19:52:06

48. Just fair

Yuck. He looked perfect rounding the grounder and then Whoooppeeee!!! That was frightful.

2008-06-11 19:52:45

49. Just fair

See, Alex. It's not that hard. : )

2008-06-11 19:53:02

50. cult of basebaal

24 i live in LA, so trust me on this, Kobe would have to slaughter tommy lasorda, defile the corpse and then make him into cupcakes to serve to schoolchildren before this town would think of turning on him. you can't swing a dead cat over your head around here without hitting a kobe apologist.

frankly, as great a player as he is, he seems a complete prick of a teammate

back to the matter at hand, there's been a lot of nice curveballs in this game ...

oopsies, big g ... good thing you're strong with bat!

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2008-06-11 19:53:45

51. monkeypants

47 More precisely, he fields ok, but throwing...

2008-06-11 19:53:48

52. OldYanksFan

43 If you give him $5m + $10-$12, why not just take the option for $17? That way it's only a one year gig. You want 2?

Oops! You see see Jason thinking... "Now just don't screw up the throw..."

2008-06-11 19:53:50

53. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

38 great...
anyone remember the old SNL skit with "Lord&Lady Douchebag"?

what's the latest on CC Sabathia? if Cleveland nosedives this season will he be on the block?

2008-06-11 19:54:41

54. tommyl

I do not understand this. Don't you have to pop up two straight bunts and then strike out? or at least GIDP?

2008-06-11 19:55:08

55. 51cq24

53 i don't think we'd want to give what they'd want for the rest of the season

2008-06-11 19:56:01

56. mehmattski

Jack Hannahan's name, meanwhile, reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lgcQUQZBtE

2008-06-11 19:57:02

57. cult of basebaal

ruh-roh!

2008-06-11 19:57:24

58. OldYanksFan

CC might be on the block, but won't he be cheaper as a FA? Cleveland will want at least 2 or 3 players/prospects. Plus, I'd like to see how he finishes the year.

I not sold on CC at 6/$115.

2008-06-11 19:58:13

59. monkeypants

52 I couldn't remember what his option was for next year--I thought it was 25 million or so. Anyway, lets say it's 22 million. If you can keep Giambi for 22 million/1 year, why not spend 25 or million for two years (including the option)? Basically, for the same cost (a bit more) you get twice as much service. The worst case scenario would mean that you cut him and eat the money, which you would have to pay anyway to pick up his option.

2008-06-11 19:59:00

60. tommyl

C'mon Ras, pitch out of it. You can do it.

2008-06-11 19:59:06

61. Yankees Brasil

Things falling apart quickly.

2008-06-11 19:59:12

62. monkeypants

58 Though signing him as a FA costs draft picks.

2008-06-11 19:59:14

63. williamnyy23

The inability to hit with men in scoring position and play adequate defense is keeping this team from going on a winning streak. They could probably survive one or the other, but both makes winning consistently very difficult.

2008-06-11 19:59:39

64. Mr OK Jazz TOKYO

58 mmm..me neither. wow, remember when Kevin Brown got the first 100mil contract for a pitcher and how amazed everyone was? now seems standard...and stil incredibly stupid...

watching Gameday, were those hard-hit balls of Rasner?

2008-06-11 20:00:47

65. tommyl

64 Here and there. One was a grounder threw the hole, but the last few, yeah those were hits.

2008-06-11 20:00:53

66. 51cq24

56 that's not getting out of my head for a couple days

2008-06-11 20:00:57

67. SF Yanks

Thanks Jason for the homerun, but no thanks for the 3 here.

2008-06-11 20:01:00

68. Just fair

Crosby and Cust ripping. A-Rod and Abreu looking silly. Damn. Now Chavez. 4 hits in a row. Let's Wang your way outta this.

2008-06-11 20:01:25

69. cult of basebaal

buggerfuck!

2008-06-11 20:01:25

70. tommyl

Rasner has really lost his touch this inning. He's all over the place.

2008-06-11 20:01:40

71. williamnyy23

62 That's the key...what is the value of the draft picks relative to the prospects surrendered.

2008-06-11 20:02:17

72. mehmattski

64 Sharply hit, but I wouldn't call them hard-hit. Cust's hit was a grounder and Chavez hit a hump-back liner to left that landed in front of Damon.

2008-06-11 20:02:59

73. OldYanksFan

59 It's $22, but you save the $5... so it's a Net of $17 if they exercise the option. I don't know if he will go for 2/$20. Thomas got more then that and he's in worse shape. 2/$24 means 2/$29. So what's better?

Considering we would be banned from the Banter if we suggested this a month ago, you think going 2 is wise?

2008-06-11 20:03:00

74. tommyl

Giese?

2008-06-11 20:03:58

75. williamnyy23

Abreu seems to rarely get off a strong throw. I don't want to absolve Rasner completely, but you have to think an easy error like Giambi's really wrecked his rhythm.

2008-06-11 20:03:59

76. Just fair

Ohlie and the stache.

2008-06-11 20:04:10

77. mehmattski

74 Ohlendorf warming.

The memo that reads "Ross Ohlendorf is not a good long reliever" is still stuck in transit, apparently.

2008-06-11 20:04:53

78. Yankees Brasil

Need to make a change now, Rasner has nothing.

2008-06-11 20:04:58

79. mehmattski

75 Which makes Rasner more like Mike Mussina than Ian Kennedy...

Okay, now these balls are being hit hard.

2008-06-11 20:05:17

80. SF Yanks

It can't be THAT hard to get to two games over .500. Can it?

2008-06-11 20:05:42

81. 3rd gen yankee fan

56 Holy pete it has been AGES since I saw that. Thank you.

2008-06-11 20:05:57

82. SF Yanks

So fucking depressing.

2008-06-11 20:06:16

83. Shaun P

58 CC isn't going anywhere, because no one is stupid enough to trade prospects for a guy who might walk at year's end (even if it nets that team 2 draft picks).

59 Giambi's option is $22M for '09, with the $5M buyout. I still wouldn't take the chance on signing him to a 2 year deal unless it was for peanuts. Let's not forget, the last time he played over 139 games was 2003.

2008-06-11 20:06:34

84. OldYanksFan

Giambi's error definitely precipitaed this, but 5 hits in a row is 5 hits in a row.

Crap, that's 6. Razner meltdown. Had to happen sometime.

SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We can't get over .500

2008-06-11 20:06:35

85. 51cq24

80 it's funny that i remember in 98 or 99 being frustrated that they couldn't seem to win more than 8 in a row

2008-06-11 20:06:54

86. 3rd gen yankee fan